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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo

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Chaldea in LB7 are literally in ideal conditions due to the underworld border

Let's just continue ignoring:
  • Ritsuka fucking died and lost their Mastership reviving due to Tez
  • Due to losing their Mastership to Tez, he gave it to Camazotz to do with as he will
  • Camazotz then uses those Command Spells to force the 4 Servants Chaldea summoned under his command, Altered and put into the Underworld Borders

Chaldea had absolutely nothing to do with any of that in Lostbelt 7.

Salem too, although they have less versatility.

They was not prepared in Salem, what is this fucker talking about?! All they had was the barest of minimums of knowledge of the Bounded Field Raum put up and that's it. They knew nothing of how ridiculous the rules was or his plan and how to deal with it. Not to mention Chaldea was on the verge of shutting down and most of the Servants was gone, they was the anti-thesis of prepared.

I am aware. The scenario is now what is the weakest force Chaldea could mobilize to deal with to deal with all the Fairy Tail antagonists. I'm arguing that based off of their canon showings, no force is sufficient

That is the biggest lie I have ever heard, especially when they are not fighting the entirety of Fairy Tail's forces, just the bad guys... which hilariously makes the "fight" even easier.

They had the ability to summon any Chaldean servant up to that point.

Only against ORT did they fully show that ability, otherwise it was the Bakin Event where we get something similar with Tametomo's bullshit NP.

Fujimaru too, by extension. Despite that, throughout all of LB7, they never displayed anything exceptional by Servant standards and struggled with pretty much all their enemies. Even if theoretically they can amass a large amount of caster servants and create some type of prep combo, they never do so either in Epic of Remnant where they have actual time to prep or in Lostbelt 7.

Again, jackass loves making shit up and it's easily proven that he's wrong if anyone knowledgeable just calls him on his shit...
Like I said before, using Salem and LB7 as them being "most prepared" only shows Imaginary has either never read any of those or is lying his ass off.

But like, outside of all that, Chaldea in the main story has not shown anything explicitly that could deal with Zeref at his strongest where he has limitless magical energy and can rewind time to heal all wounds.

Yes, it's not like Chaldea somehow cannot siphon off the ridiculous Magic in Fairy Tail and basically have Servants around indefinitely like in LB5, no way... oh wait.


They kind of did exactly that for the Beni Enma Alter confrontation, although Fujimaru didn't have the capacity to summon Gilgamesh fully at that time.

Mmmm, I wonder why Ritsuka couldn't fully summon Gilgamesh at that time... maybe it's because they wasn't a Master at that time? And could only make do with a Shadow Servant?

Fionn was even there to give them advice, like without even being called on.

MMMM, I wonder why that's the case again?! And besides, doesn't this make your argument even more fucking retarded to keep using it?

It's just that giving Koyanskaya magical energy was considered a better use of the Storm Border's resources apparently.

A Divine Spirit+ being is more beneficial to Chaldea than using the Storm Border's resources while it's wrecked and under repairs to trying to forcefully summon multiple Servants to a Masterless person

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I'm gonna touch on this part of the thread because this is also extremely stupid for many reasons proven in the franchise itself:


Uh, sorry to say, but Arc has a concept of death. When under the Full moon, she's supported by the planet, which makes her immortal( and her feats are pretty basic regarding immortality). That's why Shiki can't see or understand her lines.

Arc's Concept of Death is so small, it's basically a waste of time to even try killing her with MEoDP unless you drastically weaken her first...

Zeref not only can't be killed by soul destruction but also Existence erasure and things like Warping Physics with the Law spell. What makes you think Shiki can even begin to understand his lines of death?

This really does show that people have no idea how the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception truly works...

The Mystic Eyes of Death Perception show the death of things, the weak points where everything is most easily broken and the imperfection in everything that will break down one day. They can be said to see the fate of all things, seeing the future, allowing them to see death.[10] While there is a difference as to when a person or object will "end," it is certain that they will all arrive at that point because death is not something that "arrives," but rather is something already contained within an object at its creation and certainly bound to happen as part of the principle of causality.[1] For these reasons, Mystic Eyes of Death Perception can be considered the ultimate form of Foresight.[11]

Anything with an origin must have an end, a "time of death" determined at the beginning, and as it already exists, it is not impossible to comprehend such a concept with the appropriate circuit in the eyes and brain, allowing them to be viewed as though a microscope. It is normal that cutting a living being's neck would kill them, their life stopping because it was cut, and conversely not being able to cut a being's neck would mean that they will not die. The eyes can ignore the cause, instead allowing them to kill even that which is immune to all external effects. That which is cut falls apart and that which is "killed" becomes "dead," but rather than "tracing the lines causing the object to fall apart" and the object becoming dead because it was cut, it is "ending the lifespan and killing the object." It is the erasure of existence rather than physical destruction, so the object is "stopped" and the cut is the end result.[12]

Again, what's actually happening is that you are not just "killing" someone with the MEoDP when you cut their lines or stab them in the dot, you are effectively seeing their "end". In the most simple terms I can state:

If Shiki Tohno or Ryougi uses MEoDP, they are not really in effect killing you but bringing your predestined "end" earlier than usual. This is why beings that have "No Concept of Death" is not someone whose immortal or cannot die but someone who doesn't have an endpoint at all which is why Arcueid's lines of Death seem so weird and why Ultimate Ones just plain don't have one known to mankind(And why Araya Souren is so damn hard to kill even with that).

Zeref has an end: His Curse finally being lifted, doesn't matter the form and it doesn't matter who(Especially since we know Natsu ultimately kills him) which means he will die if he stabbed in his dot... which he will allow since he wants to die.
 
Yeah but they’re arguing that as long as there’s chaos, Beerus can’t put him down.
 
Arc's Concept of Death is so small, it's basically a waste of time to even try killing her with MEoDP unless you drastically weaken her first...
Tohno was seeing the eventual death of space before he could see any death on Arcueid. :skully
And like, space itself doesn't die? At least not until you get into shit like heat death and blackholes.

Ciel can get her soul vaporized and she will still revive from that. Yet she has a concept of death just fine.

Arcueid isn't meant to have a fated end/concept of death during nighttime provided she is not weakened. The only time she did was during a moment when she was emotionally vulnerable.
 

Okay so it's more apparent she's not meant to have a fated end just like other Archetypes/Ultimate Ones...
Which further destroys any point in pretending that Zeref is anyone close or above them in their ridiculous wank.
 
:smh
Reaction Speed = Yammy
Movement Speed = Stark
Reasons why it's Zommari

- Says he's the fastest espada
No he doesn't, he only ever says he has the best Sonido.
Byakuya was the one who took that to mean he was the fastest, when he has no way of confirming that.
- shows the best use of sonido
And Byakuya shows Utsusemi, doesn't make him faster than Yamamoto.
Hell Kenpachi is consistently portrayed as fast despite not even using Shunpo.
  • databook confirms he boasts the fastest speed of the espada
  • databook confirms his sonido is the best among the espada
Yeah and those same databooks have stats for the characters putting Soi Fon as fast or faster than Yamamoto, I shouldn't need to tell you how bullshit that is.
- the three captains vs espada fights all had the espada be the best at their specialties
Yammy is blatantly demonstrated to be more durable than Nnoitra as he takes less damage from a stronger Kenpachi's attacks.
-nobody else claims the fastest espada where others claim the strongest and toughest
The fuck does that have to do with anything?
Burter claims to be the fastest Ginyu Force member, yet Captain Ginyu is blatantly faster.
Reasons why it's not:
- B-Byakuya can't have gotten that fast in two months! (ignoring that significantly bigger gains have happened in less time)

Did I miss anything?
  1. Other Espada have blatantly better speed feats than him.
  2. His ranking would clearly indicate that he can't even blitz Grimmjow as, if he could, he'd be ranked higher.
Is he on the upper end of the Espada for speed? Yes.
Is Zommari the fastest outright? Not likely.
 

i know not to expect any better of FEP but im amazed he was dumb enough/so dedicated to lowballing comics he ignored the text on the page he already took out of context

it took me 30 seconds to find the scans and issue this was from and he isnt even punching Reed either lol
 

i know not to expect any better of FEP but im amazed he was dumb enough/so dedicated to lowballing comics he ignored the text on the page he already took out of context

it took me 30 seconds to find the scans and issue this was from and he isnt even punching Reed either lol


Imagine downplaying Gladiator
When the man is fully confident he does shit like this
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Granted he fucking lost because this is Galactus the Ultimate but still
 

It's honestly just getting absolutely absurd to see how Spacebattles cannot for 3 seconds think about how absolutely braindead their takes are and how just removing things from context doesn't make them look smart, it just makes them look like potatoes.

Durandal is not a Divine Construct yet it was able to defend against Artemis' Anti-Planet laser(and I don't want to hear "It only took out islands" because that's not what the narration nor what the characters themselves say nor even how that's the truth considering Atlantis itself is a false Reality). A jerry rigged Divine Construct was able to not only WIN against said Laser but blow through Artemis' Armor chasis(Again, this is an Interstellar Warship made to destroy Planets and other Warships of it's kind) and requires TWO consecutive shots to wear down.

There is NO ONE in Fairy Tail that's taking a hit from any Divine Construct in the franchise, not a single one.
 

Chaldea can't even actually summon Merlin.

Again, not even explaining why that's the case like Merlin's not dead? And even then, we canonically know Merlin can use his situation in Avalon to actually be summoned as a Servant(Which he canonically IS summoned as one in Babylonia and Chaldea).

Merlin just decides to help Chaldea out every once in a while, and has limited power as we see in LB6.

Due to him using Avalon's own Magical Energy to keep the Perpetual Magical Energy Generators going as Chaldea was not in the best of spots in Part 1...

But most Servant teams don't matter for Chaldea. In most cases they can only win if one of their top tiers gets lucky and lands their NP on the enemy they're facing at that specific time, like Gilgamesh using Ea.

Yeah, let's completely ignore how that's actually the case in the story entirely to instead just make up bullshit restrictions about how good Chaldea is at points to instead pretend they are just carried on "stronger Servant" when that's not remotely true.

But even if Chaldea gets lucky enough to do that against all the opponents they face including Zeref or Acnologi before they get one shotted, if any top tier is even slightly aware of the actual power Chaldea has like the Dragon Gods it would be easy for them to one shot any servant before they could perform anything.

Like Chaldea could theoretically win. They just have to be very consistently lucky.

None of this makes sense at all, how are they "in danger of being one shotted" by villains that don't know they exist AND have to basically be known they are genuine threats to their existence? How Zeref, the guy who will gladly take a hit to see if he can die, will suddenly not want to die if they bring out King Hassan or Ryougi on him?

Again, pure fan-fiction debates only done by SB.
 

Really showing you haven't read LB6 considering that Melusine's Mana Burst as Albion is directly compared to a Divine Construct in terms of output (and considering the storm boarder is taking hits then it obviously means Rhon/Excalibur/Photon Ray/and other type blasts, not Surtr's life wiping thing).

Laeventienn is literally compared to Rhongomyniad in power in LB2 but somehow, somefuckingway, Laeventienn is somehow more powerful because that's the only way to compare MeluAlbion's Mana Burst tearing through the Storm Border according to these dipshits...

Also, you know, showing you haven't read Fate/Stay Night since that CE is referring to Saber's power as the incarnation of the Red Dragon, as aspect of the actual Albion, and is pointing to part of the reason why Excalibur is the strongest holy sword, being that because Saber is the one that wields it and Excalibur being a 'sword that amplifies'.

And if you read Garden of Avalon, Merlin gave Artoria Excalibur and later Rhongomyniad because they are literally the only 2 weapons that won't break upon her massive strength! It's like he wants to downplay Artoria to a nonsensical extreme without realizing how stupid he sounds and same to those who agree. The Red Dragon of Britain IS Albion's spawn or to be more exact, it's core just like the White Dragon aka Vortigern is and we know that Albion is the oldest being on Nasuverse Earth by leaps and bounds.

Instead of using flowery text that doesn't even directly point to Melusine,

Yes because this:
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Is somehow "Flowery language" and somehow not connected to Melusine... despite Melusine having a costume which has her look like the Red Dragon and her true form past the curses of Britain has her be WHITE aka the WHITE DRAGON. Again, Garden of Avalon spells it out on what Dragon Core Merlin used for Artoria's heart and it's why she's so powerful and why Excalibur is her weapon as is Rhongomyniad.

who is one rotten/decayed arm of the actual Albion, maybe use the actual examples of her power and output. Because, you know, we fight her in the story and the Storm Boarder is able to take a least a couple hits from her mana burst before being destroyed.

Yes, if you mean by "a couple of hits", you mean "if the Storm Border was in the wrong position, everyone would be fucking dead"?
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Seriously, Spacebattles want to be seen as the actual VS. debates with the most but then they say extremely disproven shit like this and have the gall to believe anyone will take them seriously?

But no, servants are all lightspeed because of one line in Fate Zero

Multiple lines, actual statements, actual anime footage and ingame evidence but yes, let's pretend they are not lightspeed because of what? A few statements of being "faster than sound" or the one time Nasu uses Mach Numbers, that suddenly justifies them barely being hypersonic? Fuck off. Seriously, fuck off Spacebattles.

Lets just ignore all the statements about how servants moving at light speed destroys them and its an absurdly rare ability to move at that speed which is possessed by a grand total of two servants as far as I can remember (Dioscuri and Melt)...

It's Faster Than Light retard...
Just further disproves your statements when again, this was stated multiple times in Spacebattles alone.

one of which being able to do it due to a combination Noble Phantasm with another servant. That is the type of argument you are using.

So... that would mean Passionlip can throw people at FTL... I wonder if Spacebattles can understand how insane that contradiction is to pretend they aren't capable of moving Lightspeed but then they can do that?
 
What makes this sudden Tezcatlipoca wank so insane isn't just that Ritsuka defeated him with Daybit head on, Tez even admits he would lose in a battle against Camazotz even before Camazotz's Immortality can be considered... and again Ritsuka defeated him in a head on fight :risigif

AND STILL NOT BEING A TRUE MASTER AT THAT:jordangif

Like none of this makes sense, it's like saying that no one can defeat Jiren because you take a part of the story out of context... despite motherfuckers being at Jiren's level or surpassing him in the case of the DBS Manga.
By this point Ritsuka by himself is the best (not strongest)master in the whole franchise , his curriculum puts in shame all the others masters.
 
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