Jedi frequently are matched by or lose to peak humans like Cad Bane.
This happens so frequently that it isn't a writing issue. In fact, it's a key plot point of many arcs, mini-arcs, or even entire plot lines that Jedi can be matched by peak humans.
Silver Surfer runs a gauntlet
On the contrary, it's a generous and consistent representation of Surfer's abilities. "massive downplay" is more along the lines of being killed by lightning+ a mob or struggling with and being helpless against volcanos and nukes. Nope, you're using instances of PIS and jobbing. We don't...www.fanverse.org
lmao was out all day but em beating the brakes off jack is great. of all comic oldheads you could pick for the downplay train this was the worst possible dude
This is Spacebattles and Reddits favorite argument against them. The notion that these characters might also be superhuman for fighting Jedi or Sith? That it makes them this dangerous or powerful? It flies completely over their heads, or rather they prefer to spin it the other way around as an "anti-feat" or whatever.
Peak humans in Star Wars are radically different from IRL peak humans. People like Cad Bane can contend with Jedi doesn't diminish the Jedi's capabilities but it rather goes to show that people like Cad Bane are far above any IRL peak human.
The Emperor's Royal Guard are trained to the point where they can deflect blaster bolts. Cybernetic augmentation, as seen in Grievous, advanced enough to compete with Jedi. Biology that is sufficiently potent to compete with Jedi such as Durge. The fact that non-Force sensitives can compete with Force sensitives doesn't diminish the power of the Jedi or the Sith.
This is Spacebattles and Reddits favorite argument against them. The notion that these characters might also be superhuman for fighting Jedi or Sith? That it makes them this dangerous or powerful? It flies completely over their heads, or rather they prefer to spin it the other way around as an "anti-feat" or whatever.
They always use real life as the benchmark whenever anyone isn't directly stated to have superpowers.
Jack is definitely not FEPOtherwise, the thread is basically FEP and FEP's alternate account saying some real dumb shit.
He is definitely a KMC or SB faggot. Same kind of arguments Abhi would make against Silver Surfer or Thor.Jack is definitely not FEP
Jack is definitely not FEP
Take away unlimited blade works and he loses.
Unless we assume Ciel's anti regen technique works on Mahoraga(and that she'll pull that sword out early), she can't really kill Maho without Star Calvaria.
Even with the anti regen technique, Mahoraga could probably just adapt.
Anyway, Mahoraga is implied to be able to survive a Fire Arrow,
so until that 3 minute time of Star Calvaria runs out, Maho should almost definitely be able to survive against whatever Ciel throws at it.
It also has enough physical strength to push 15f Sukuna through a few buildings, and survive dismantle without adaptation. As long as Maho is on the offensive, it should have an advantage.
Ciel is smarter though, so she can probably win. I'd be very surprised if the stat difference between the was enough that Ciel wouldn't be able to stall.
Granted.... She did not use Star Calvaria against Vlov at any point in their fight.
I can't tell if that's because she can only use Star Calvaria while it has massive range and can't shorten it for some reason, or if it's because she wasn't empowered by her IB and couldn't multitask as well. If it's the latter, she loses.
She casually does keep up with if not outpace Stark, the one and only attack he manages to blitz her with is lightning strike.
This was after she swung at Stark and he tanked her hit then counter struck her before she could pull back and intercept.
Here, Gilgamesh attacks with Merodach/Gram's version of the attack Caliburn used to kill Herakles, Shirou's Caliburn goes to clash with it, Caliburn breaks on impact. Here, Shirou's body was split from left shoulder to waist by Merodach/Gram's version of Caliburn's attack. Here, Shirou's body was reinforced by UBW swords stitching it together enough that he was praised by Gilgamesh for his durability (as he was able to keep his body from being blown apart by Merodach/Gram's version of Caliburn's attack like Gilgamesh was expecting to happen).
Here, the Tiger Dojo confirms Shirou would normally die from Medusa's kick without his body reinforcing itself with swords.
I want you to look very carefully at the sequence here. At 10 seconds in she hits him and her hit doesn't cut through him as she expected, at 14 seconds in she pulls out but can't intercept in time.
Stark had to capitalize on this very specific opening to win.
If lightning strike alone was enough to easily win, he wouldnt have been getting rag dolled for most of the fight and nearly killed.
We know Stark can spam lightning strike if he wants to as well, so he probably wasn't confident it could connect with her up to that point.
Here, Shirou senses and dodges Cu Chulainn's assassination attempt. Here, Shirou barely defends against Cu Chulainn's second strike with his poster sword. Here, Shirou blocks the next strike through instinct. Here, Cu's next strike is also blocked, but it bends the reinforced poster. Here, Shirou barely manages to budge Cu's lance with a sword strike of his own. Shirou realizes how much Cu's been playing with him so far. Here, Shirou escapes through the window, Cu pursues, Shirou instinctively deflects Cu's next strike.
Ever since people started to try quantifying faster than the eye movement speed? It has become cancerous in versus debates. Shit can mean anything. The person could just be too slow to move their eyeballs fast enough to keep up, they could be a blur or hard to track visually, or it could just be there purely for style. Rarely does a writer think about something like that. Unless they are versus nerds.
They are not for example going to say moving faster than the eye means a character is FTL or something. Cause sight is reliant on light.
Mountain Level Surfer , Dwarf Star level Gold D Roger , Continental Level Deku , Infinite Speed Yhwachhttps://www.fanverse.org/threads/silver-surfer-runs-a-gauntlet.1319344/#post-66990436 @Galan i think fep is a literal circus
I want to hear about his Bleach scaling.Just leaving that here
We are talking about the same Archer who, practically without Rin's recharge was able to kill Hercules 6 times, in the first meeting he almost accidentally killed Medea, fighting with the serious Cuchulainn, and was able to survive a volley of GOB at point-blank range.Shirou with UBW can only defeat one very specific servant and no other, this is made clear. With even his future self who is a Servant being pretty much a mid tier one who can't stand up to any notable servant despite having actual servant stats unlike Shirou.
Even then the one servant he can defeat was pretty much giving Shirou every possible advantage he could have. No armor he usually wears to vastly increase his defences further, no engaging in actual physical combat where he is stronger, no Noble Phantasms he isn't suited or unable to copy. He was specifically engaging Shirou in a fight which favoured the only advantage he has, faster firing speed, because a mere human making inferior copies of his treasures hurt his ego. Even then, though Shirou landed a notable hit directly on Gilgamesh he was still around and kicking after Shirou ran out of mana, if the Grail hadn't decided to absorb him and Archer shooting him in the head things wouldn't have went well for Shirou.
Is there a compilation of how strong is Takeru? I know the story of F/SR but without the DLC and didnt really know his feat in FGO.
yeah they arent similar at all. fep has no idea what he’s talking about, he just copy+pastes stuff he finds from “debunk” threads that either lacks or deliberately omits context. Jack actually HAS read these comics, he just goes with the most insane low ends imaginable (he brought up Hulk being pierced by a hypodermic needle as a legitimate feat that should be considered)Jack is definitely not FEP
We are talking about the same Archer who, practically without Rin's recharge was able to kill Hercules 6 times, in the first meeting he almost accidentally killed Medea, fighting with the serious Cuchulainn, and was able to survive a volley of GOB at point-blank range.
Here, Artoria regains her true powers by becoming Rin's servant (she's no longer nerfed like she was under Shirou). Here, with Rin as her master, Artoria would not even lose to Herakles as she is now. Here, EMIYA charges Artoria, attacks Artoria with all his might, Artoria repels EMIYA's blow and forces him to lose balance. Here, EMIYA blocks Artoria's strikes, he's left unable to counterattack. Here, the match ends fairly quick, EMIYA is forced to his knees and has to block Artoria's last vertical slash with both his swords. Here, Artoria muses EMIYA would have performed better had he not been running on fumes. Here, EMIYA is left with no magical energy due to the number of Noble Phantasms he used to end Medea's life (on top of already being depleted from fighting Cu Chulainn). Here, Artoria's sword in her current sword lock with EMIYA is loosened enough by EMIYA's words that EMIYA uses the opening to kick her 5 meters away.
Here, EMIYA's body is only half responding, his remaining strength/magical energy is only 1/10th his original power (his stamina, unless you're batshit crazy enough to call reinforced Kuzuki 1/10th as strong as EMIYA), and his muscles are weak (which seems like it's meaningless later on during the fight).
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