Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo

[Xhominid The Apex]

And how does this prove anything?

With exactly the same probability, the Eyes of Fujino are equal in power to the Eyes of Death Perception, because no one simply bothered to put them in any rank.

When has it been said they are on the same levels of power? That's has never been stated in any material I have read about Fujino's Distortion, let alone what we see when they fight.

Why then Rainbow Grade Death Perception Eyes? In fact, their abilities are not very different: Eyes of Death - Kill, Eyes of Distortion - Distort.

...Do I have to explain to you how they are massively different? Fujino's Eyes, even after being enhanced is, at the end of the day, distortion abilities that simply do the equivalent of allowing gravity to twist the general area into a pretzel. Is it a little more complicated than that? A little but that's it.

Meanwhile Death Perception literally allows you to see how not only how people die, not even just objects and things but entire CONCEPTS and it's even implied it can go further than that with the more knowledge gained from the user themselves. I don't remember Fujino being a threat to an Authority-Tier Concept like Shiki Tohno did against a Principle.

OK. They Evolved. What's next? The final result is the same. Now her Eyes are in the same rank as the Eyes of Death Perception.

And she became blind not because of the Eyes, but because of Clairvoyance.

The sheer fact they evolved would tell you they are not the same as the typical Eyes of Distortion...
That's maybe why they aren't ranked and again, that doesn't mean it's suddenly Rainbow-tier. Secondly, Fujino went blind not because of her Clairvoyance, you tit, she just became blind due to her own condition.

Musashi is still a Master Swordsman Hero who more or less understands the supernatural.

Fujino was actually an ordinary student who had discovered the ability a week before.

Good comparison.

When in the hell does Musashi understand the supernatural?! Have you actually seen how Musashi handles the supernatural in Shimousa? Because she handles it like everyone other normie does? Poorly. It's literally because Ritsuka's there she even tries to nut up rather than run for the hills.

She is EXACTLY like Fujino with the only key difference is due to her being in so many die or fly situations, she was able to actually understand and use her Mystic Eye to it's max, something Fujino doesn't have and that still doesn't make her shit Rainbow.

The same as the past. Only this time Tohno Shiki. A man who awakened his Eyes as a child and already had at least some experience by the beginning of the canon. At the same time, being a descendant of a clan of demon slayers who had various trainings and who, again, at least came into contact with the supernatural.

The problem is that you are still comparing an ordinary schoolgirl whose abilities manifested themselves a maximum of a week before the battle with Ryogi, who also lacked any understanding of the supernatural.

What do I see, you decided not to touch upon the ranks.

The fuck does Ranks have to do with the differences between the two Shikis? This is also equally stupid as Fujino herself comes from a Demon Slaying Clan who went out of their way to seal her Eyes because hers is far stronger than theirs. If she's anything like the murderhobo we see her as when she loses her shit, she is legit no different than Tohno is and yet, she still comes off like a genuine novice at the end so spare me.

 

[shiny]

No you haven't .

Yes

They aren't though sans in DC .

○歪曲の魔眼：ＥＸ
魔眼と呼称される異能の中でも最上級のもの。
異能の中の異能、希少品の中の希少品。

○直死の魔眼：Ａ
魔眼と呼称される異能の中でも最上級のもの。
異能の中の異能、希少品の中の希少品。

Even the same hieroglyphs are used to describe them.

Moreover, the first line is enough for me, which literally says that Fujino’s Eyes of Distortion are the highest rank of mystical eyes.

They aren't similar at all.

The Eyes of Death Perception Kill, and the Eyes of Distortion Distort.

The only similarity is that they are both Mytic Eyes. That's about it.

You yourself have made the distinction earlier.

They both affect objects without regard to any strength or resistance. Moreover, both eyes depend on the owner’s ability to perceive.

I do .


But i don't need to present anything else, because the burden of proof isn't on me.

It's on you since you made the claim that they're equal and you need to prove it.

OK.

First, their abilities depend only on the ability of their owner to “understand and perceive.”
Second, both of these eyes are described as "highest rank"

Mystic Eyes of Distortion: EX

Our good old twister Fujinon.

A first-class item even among the paranormal abilities known as Mystic Eyes.

A paranormal among the paranormal, a rarity among the rarities. They perceive anything that physically exists, organic or inorganic, as a printed image and twist it, distorting and severing the target, regardless of size or strength.

They surpass the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception in their of destructive power, but they're not almighty.

Because, since the distortion requires perceiving an existence on its entirety, it can’t bend the ground or the being known as a city. Also, because once the distortion is activated, you can avoid damage by moving away from its area.

But that's not evidence for your claim so you're shooting yourself in the foot here.

This is not a proof, but it clearly blocks your proof of "The Eyes of Death Perception are Rainbow, which means they are higher." Especially when both couples are described as top rank.

Again, this is vague bullshit.

There are different tiers of divine power out there.

At least MEODP are attributed to Divine Spirits but again, tiers to that.

The fact that these are remnants of divine power suggests that these Eyes are at least of the precious rank.

Distortion is ???? on all accounts.

Yeah, they're both rare and super powerful .

You're keep dancing around the question.

Why are they equal ?

Same rank.

This also doesn't help your argument since :

A. We don't know the ceiling for the ability since only Fujino uses it, so we're stuck with what is shown unless you wanna go into NLF mode.

Read the skill.

B. We see MEODP users evolving their abilities so it's not like that shit is set in place either.

You do understand that this only makes their comparison stronger, right?

Xhom. Sorry, but I'm too lazy to answer you two.

 

[Stocking Anarchy]

Just a reminder that Jacob Marshall unironically solos whatever series SB is obsessing over currently.

 

[Type-Rey]

○Distortion Magic Eye:
The highest level of supernatural powers called EX Magic Eye.
A supernatural power among supernatural powers, a rare item among rare items.

○Demon Eye of Direct Death:
The highest level of supernatural powers called A-Demon Eye.
A supernatural power among supernatural powers, a rare item among rare items.

Even the same hieroglyphs are used to describe them.

Moreover, the first line is enough for me, which literally says that Fujino's Eyes of Distortion are the highest rank of mystical eyes.

You don't know what a comparison is then.

The only comparison made is that Distortion is better than Death Perception at destroying shit which isn't saying much cause MEODP can kill with the smallest prickle so it doesn't need to bust big ass bridges .

The Eyes of Death Perception Kill, and the Eyes of Distortion Distort

Exactly.
Not the same.

They both affect objects without regard to any strength or resistance. Moreover, both eyes depend on the owner’s ability to perceive.

Yes , of course they both affect objects in the same way a knife and a bazooka both affect objects. And of course the they depend on they user's ability to perceive since they're both needed to perceive their respective shit in order to affect them .




It's a superficial description.

OK.

First, their abilities depend only on the ability of their owner to “understand and perceive.”

All ME need that shit dude and the things they need to understand and perceive are different. Perceiving death is not the same as perceiving something that can be bent and since we're on the subject, the MEODP are clearly superior since they can perceive and kill shit like concepts while Asagami specifically cannot so, you're shooting again in the foot.

Second, both of these eyes are described as "highest rank"

Which rank is that ?

Not to mention that what you quoted doesn't say that .

This is not a proof, but it clearly blocks your proof of "The Eyes of Death Perception are Rainbow, which means they are higher." Especially when both couples are described as top rank.

Nigga, you made the claim and you tried to use this as evidence for your claim .

Stop being dishonest.

And for last time, MEOPD are Rainbow rank, and are the only ones in that rank so far, stated by someone who works in the business of collecting and selling them. They are not "higher" or "top rank" , they are the highest rank and you have to prove that Distortion the exact same rank which you're failed to do multiple times or at least try to argue something in terms of feats.

The fact that these are remnants of divine power suggests that these Eyes are at least of the precious rank.

Ok , and ?
I'm not saying that they're not high rank.

Same rank.

Again, which rank is that ?
Cause first you tried to say that Distortion has no classification which means that it doesn't have a rank like the MEODP do so it directly contradicts your current claim . Then you tried to use the skills classification to justify your claim and once that got debunked , you went with the two descriptions being the same.

Which rank ?

Read the skill.

I have.

You do understand that this only makes their comparison stronger, right?

You do understand that you don't know what a comparison is right ?

 

[Paxton]

@Masterblack06 Random question, but does All Fiction only auto-activate after Kumagawa dies or would it also activate if someone incapacitated him via non-lethal means?

 

[Cryso Agori]

@Masterblack06 Random question, but does All Fiction only auto-activate after Kumagawa dies or would it also activate if someone incapacitated him via non-lethal means?

It auto activates if he dies, if he's just incapped he needs to manually activate it.

 

[Masterblack06]

@Masterblack06 Random question, but does All Fiction only auto-activate after Kumagawa dies or would it also activate if someone incapacitated him via non-lethal means?

Yeah it only works after he dies. Incapping him is a bit difficult since the man is unnaturally durable even by medaka box standards. What with being able to stab himself through the eye and be fine

 

[Masterblack06]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/mahoraga-vs-garou.1128131/

Mahoraga can now adapt to being outskilled in martial arts

 

[Masterblack06]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/sukuna-vs-7-hokage-gauntlet.1126535/

Bro what the fuck is this.

 

[Vespa Crabro]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/mahoraga-vs-garou.1128131/

Mahoraga can now adapt to being outskilled in martial arts

he just needs to watch 1 bruce lee movie and it's over

 

[Masterblack06]

@Paxton

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/kakine-teitoku-index-replaces-megumis-jjk-10th-shikigami.1128302/

"What happens if we replace mahoraga with someone stronger!?"

 

[shiny]

You don't know what a comparison is then.

The only comparison made is that Distortion is better than Death Perception at destroying shit which isn't saying much cause MEODP can kill with the smallest prickle so it doesn't need to bust big ass bridges .

My God, of course I knew that you don’t know how to connect logical connections, but I didn’t even talk about it here.

I talked about the same description of the eyes. And this is an obvious comparison when none of the arched eyes in FGO have such descriptions.

Exactly.
Not the same.

God, if they were one and the same, then Asagami would not have the Eyes of Distortion but the Eyes of Death Perception.

Their abilities are similar in that they affect the target bypassing any resistance. At the same time, the main requirement for the owner remains the ability to perceive the existence of an object.

Yes , of course they both affect objects in the same way a knife and a bazooka both affect objects. And of course the they depend on they user's ability to perceive since they're both needed to perceive their respective shit in order to affect them .

Yeah. Only these two eyes have similar requirements. And don't try to convince me of your inability to read.

Seeing and perceiving something are two different things. Normal Eyes are content with the fact that they see things, the Eyes of Distortion and the Eyes of Perception require the perception of the existence of something. Or are you saying that Nasu's interview about how Shiki Tono would die if he tried to just kill the Noble Phantasm is fake?

It's a superficial description.


All ME need that shit dude and the things they need to understand and perceive are different. Perceiving death is not the same as perceiving something that can be bent and since we're on the subject, the MEODP are clearly superior since they can perceive and kill shit like concepts while Asagami specifically cannot so, you're shooting again in the foot.

And the eyes of the Perception of Death can no longer kill what, according to their owner, is dead.

The fact that the Eyes of Death Perception can affect concepts, but the Eyes of Asagami cannot(Which, judging by some phrases, is more a limitation of Fujino herself. I will not confirm, but such a suspicion arises.). Doesn't mean they are of different ranks. after all, Ophelia's Eyes or Heaven's Eye also have a larger spectrum than just Medusa's petrification, but they have the same rank.

Which rank is that ?

Not to mention that what you quoted doesn't say that .

The highest rank is the highest rank, that is, Rainbow. Or will we go play SB and deny this phrase?

Mystic Eyes of Distortion: EX

Our good old twister Fujinon.

A first-class item even among the paranormal abilities known as Mystic Eyes.

• Mystic Eyes of Distortion: EX

Among the many superpowers designated as mystic eyes, this one is of the highest grade.

Mystic Eyes of Distortion: EX
One of the most powerful forms of the unique special ability known as Mystic Eyes.

○歪曲の魔眼：ＥＸ
魔眼と呼称される異能の中でも最上級のもの。

Please note that I have already given several translations of the same phrase. And they all say that Fujino Eyes are in the highest rank.

Nigga, you made the claim and you tried to use this as evidence for your claim .

Stop being dishonest.

And for last time, MEOPD are Rainbow rank, and are the only ones in that rank so far, stated by someone who works in the business of collecting and selling them. They are not "higher" or "top rank" , they are the highest rank and you have to prove that Distortion the exact same rank which you're failed to do multiple times or at least try to argue something in terms of feats.

Already brought it.

Ok , and ?
I'm not saying that they're not high rank.

Then what is the problem with them being the same rank as the Eye of Death Perception?

Again, which rank is that ?
Cause first you tried to say that Distortion has no classification which means that it doesn't have a rank like the MEODP do so it directly contradicts your current claim . Then you tried to use the skills classification to justify your claim and once that got debunked , you went with the two descriptions being the same.

My God, how are you trying to distort my words.

At first I answered that they were the same level as the Eyes of Perception. To your “Eyes of Perception are Rainbow rank but Eyes of Distortion are not,” I responded by saying that the Eyes of Distortion were never officially assigned a rank. Which is why this argument initially makes little sense.

Secondly, I understand that you don’t read my comments, but even so there’s no need to rephrase everything. I cited the Skill rank only as an example of the fact that talking about a “difference in abilities” is stupid, because the same FGO rated Fujino’s skill higher than Ryoga’s. I used the description from the very beginning.

Which rank ?

Learn to read.

I have.

No. You do not.

You do understand that you don't know what a comparison is right ?

When there are two Eyes, whose abilities are based on the awareness of the object, whose limitations depend mainly on the owner, and a single Eye whose abilities Evolve with the owner. This only strengthens the comparison.

 

[shiny]

@Paxton

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/kakine-teitoku-index-replaces-megumis-jjk-10th-shikigami.1128302/

"What happens if we replace mahoraga with someone stronger!?"

Has there ever been a difference between SB and Fanfiction?

 

[Regrettable]

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wait is your main argument that mystic eyes of distortion are of the "highest rank"? cuz if so similar terminology has been used for mystic eyes of petrification which are only jewel ranked.

Mystic Eyes: A+​

The possession of Mystic Eyes of the highest level, “Cybele”.
Those whose MGI is C rank and below will be unconditionally petrified, while those of B rank will be petrified depending on the result of saving throw. Those of A rank will not be petrified, but suffer a rank down on all of their abilities and receive a “heavy pressure”.

Mystic Eyes: A+
Possession of mystic eyes of the highest level, Kybele.
Unconditionally petrifies those with low magical power, and even those with high can be petrified if they are negligent.
Normally sealed away by Breaker Gorgon - Self-Seal・Temple of Darkness.

"―――Also...
This is what you wished for, Sakura."
...She releases the black seal.

――――Everything solidifies at that instant.

Rider's naked eyes.
They are inhuman eyes, one of the highest rank among numerous mystic eyes.

"――――――――"
Grey eyes.
They look like crystals, and they are too abnormal to be called eyeballs.

The corneas do not take in light.
The pupil sees the world through a square.
The iris is solidified, not allowing the eyes to close.
The millions of cells that make up the retina are composed of ether.

―――Are they art that the gods admired, or are they nature that the gods cursed?
Rider's gray eyes are abnormal, and at the same time, too beautiful for any human to have.

"――――!"
Archer is frozen in place.
...It must be because he saw her eyes from such close range.
His eyes are frozen even if he wants to close them, and his arms are frozen even if he wants to cover his eyes.
He tries to charge forward and slash at Rider, but his legs are already petrified up to his knees.

"No way, mystic eyes of petrification...!?"
Tohsaka's voice is almost a scream.
...I can't tell what kind of face she's making.
My eyes are also captivated by Rider's mystic eyes, and I can't look away.
My blood is thickening.
The flow is solidified, and my senses are ceased.

――――Mystic eyes.
A single action magic that magi have.

It takes the eyes, passive receptors of the world, and makes them function actively to influence the world.
It indiscriminately casts its magic upon anyone within sight, though the effect is vastly increased if the target meets your gaze.
In short, it's something not to be looked at, and it is a frightening magical nature that entraps anyone that looks at them.

Their abilities and concealable nature make the mystic eyes proof of a first-rate magus.
The technique to make one's own eyes into a Magic Circuit is close to that of a Magic Crest.

But then, artificial mystic eyes only have strong enough powers to cast Charm or Whisper.
Possessors of truly powerful mystic eyes are always born with them.

Binding. Coercion. Contract. Burning. Illusion. Extreme luck.
Mystic eyes that directly intervene with another's fate are called Noble Color, and among the highest-ranked of them are the eyes of petrification.

 

[Type-Rey]

My God, of course I knew that you don’t know how to connect logical connections, but I didn’t even talk about it here.

At least i know what a comparison is, unlike you.

I talked about the same description of the eyes.

Yes, they do have the same copy/pasted description, we've been over this already.

And this is an obvious comparison when none of the arched eyes in FGO have such descriptions.

No it's not, it's you who are making the comparison, not the fucking description text.

God, if they were one and the same, then Asagami would not have the Eyes of Distortion but the Eyes of Death Perception.

I'm honestly surprised you can make this connection.
Good for you.

Their abilities are similar in that they affect the target bypassing any resistance

Yeah, they are similar in this respect.

Doesn't make them similar overall.

At the same time, the main requirement for the owner remains the ability to perceive the existence of an object.

And then perceive their respective and apply their effects on the object itself which are two different things.

Yeah. Only these two eyes have similar requirements

Already adressed this.

And don't try to convince me of your inability to read

What about your inability to speak a human language ? We're gonna cover that next ?

Seeing and perceiving something are two different things

Correct and also both necesary.

Normal Eyes are content with the fact that they see things, the Eyes of Distortion and the Eyes of Perception require the perception of the existence of something. Or are you saying that Nasu's interview about how Shiki Tono would die if he tried to just kill the Noble Phantasm is fake?

I didn't say nor did imply such a thing.

I already explained that they need to perceive different shit . If you can't comprehend that, that's too bad.

And the eyes of the Perception of Death can no longer kill what, according to their owner, is dead.

Jesus fucking Christ.
At least try to form a coherent sentence. Fucking write it in Russian or your native tongue and i'll translate it myself.

The fact that the Eyes of Death Perception can affect concepts, but the Eyes of Asagami cannot(Which, judging by some phrases, is more a limitation of Fujino herself.

That's just conjecture .

I will not confirm, but such a suspicion arises.)

You can't confirm it and i don't care about your suspicions .

Doesn't mean they are of different ranks.

Doesn't mean that they're the same either.

Ophelia's Eyes or Heaven's Eye also have a larger spectrum than just Medusa's petrification, but they have the same rank.

No they don't.

Medusa's are Jewel, Distortion and the others are ???


They don't even have a rank .
You don't even know what ranks are , fucking hell.

The highest rank is the highest rank, that is, Rainbow. Or will we go play SB and deny this phrase?

The highest rank is Rainbow, which only MEODP qualify as, and maybe Arc's as per FGO.

Please note that I have already given several translations of the same phrase. And they all say that Fujino Eyes are in the highest rank.

Which rank is that?
Answer the question .

Already brought it.

The only thing you brought is false information and copy pasted descrpitions.

My God, how are you trying to distort my words

Your words are distorted by nature, no need for me to add to that.

At first I answered that they were the same level as the Eyes of Perception. To your “Eyes of Perception are Rainbow rank but Eyes of Distortion are not,” I responded by saying that the Eyes of Distortion were never officially assigned a rank. Which is why this argument initially makes little sense.

Ok , so how can you say that they are at the same level if they one of them is not classified at all ?

Secondly, I understand that you don’t read my comments, but even so there’s no need to rephrase everything. I cited the Skill rank only as an example of the fact that talking about a “difference in abilities” is stupid, because the same FGO rated Fujino’s skill higher than Ryoga’s. I used the description from the very beginning.

You're the one who's trying to rephrase shit. You tried to use the skill system erroneously and got called out on your bullshit. Nothing more, nothing less.

The example doesn't work.

So, you're 0/2 on the evidence part.

Let's also look at the other side of the coin

The evidence against:

-Meodp has shown the ability to directly affect the effects of distortion . The vice versa cannot be applied cause it didn't happen.
-Meodp is clasified as the highest rank while Distortion isn't.
-Meodp can affect concepts which Distortion cannot .
-Meodp is akin to actual Magic due to its nature while Distortion isn't.
...etc, etc.

 

[Type-Rey]

In conclusion, learn what ranks are , and stop conflating your vodka soaked delusions with the actual truth.

Now fuck off.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

>Comes in here
>shiny is still arguing bullshit about Distortion somehow being the same rank as MEoDP using FGO Gameplay Ranks as a crutch(This is despite the fact that FGO Gameplay Ranks tend to be arbitrary as fuck as they aren't really indicative to how powerful the skill truly is in lore)
>Everyone knowledgeable keep telling him it would be at the rank of Jewel at best and has nothing else to go for it.

the story in the life of shiny's arguments, they never stop being stupid and end up just being convoluted trash.

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/mahoraga-vs-garou.1128131/

Mahoraga can now adapt to being outskilled in martial arts

...Of course... can we just say that Spacebattles has devolved to the level of Tik-Tok debates and just leave it at that?

@Paxton

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/kakine-teitoku-index-replaces-megumis-jjk-10th-shikigami.1128302/

"What happens if we replace mahoraga with someone stronger!?"

Masterblack what do you mean?! Mahoraga is stronger than Kakine and everyone in To Aru because all he needs to do is sniff the air and just gain immunity to AIM Fields, Esper Abilities and Magic even before they even do anything to him!
We've seen him grow gills dammit! The skies the limit now!

 

[Paxton]

 

[Paxton]

It's funny, Kakine is basically tailor made to counter Mahoraga.

Mahoraga can adapt, sure, but can he adapt to Kakine himself adapting/adjusting his Dark Matter thousands of times a second?

Unlikely

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

It's funny, Kakine is basically tailor made to counter Mahoraga.

Mahoraga can adapt, sure, but can he adapt to Kakine himself adapting/adjusting his Dark Matter thousands of times a second?

Unlikely

Dude, people in Spacebattles and in Fanverse believe that Mahoraga can outadapt God Hand, a blessing from the 12 Olympians and why it can literally just ignore Reality itself if an attack does not follow the rules(For instance, an Atomic Bomb should do no damage to Heracles at all due to it not really following it's rules despite Heracles can be "hurt by less".

You think they would believe Kakine's shit wouldn't somehow be adapted when they believe Mahoraga can adapt to MARTIAL ARTS?