Cryso Agori
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I don't get how they are supposed to be the same or can be argued as such...
Unless they actually mean Yhwach's Sankt Altar to Reincarnation Pandora? But I have constantly talked about how enormously different they are at length so I will avoid that. Either way as I said before, Yhwach has no win condition against Alcides anymore:
- The Grail Mud that runs through Alcides' body would make him damn near impossible to see with The Almighty even the shit he's covered with(primarily Divinity based tools from various Gods) didn't do that first if that's included.
- Alcides can just steal the Soul King and The Almighty with Reincarnation Pandora now, leaving Yhwach with even less chances of victory(Especially since it's canon that he cannot absorb the Soul King's true power and it constantly leaks from him)
- Yhwach canonically never uses any of the Schrift abilities outside of his own(Something the anime could have changed but didn't) meaning he's in an even worse mismatch than before and Alcides can just deal with all of them anyway.
- If Yhwach stupidly tries to take something Alcides on the Saint Graph level, he basically dies from the Grail Mud both physically and mentally
- Gugulanna has infinitely better feats than Soul King Yhwach does and Alcides absorbed his ass and he's in the fight like that so Yhwach gets obliterated
- Nine Lives can perma-kill Yhwach AND Alcides has his Arrows constantly dipped in Hydra Venom, meaning Yhwach WILL be in excruciating agony as he slowly melts to death(And considering how he comes back, the Hydra Venom will stay within him even if he somehow doesn't die from Nine Lives)
The only thing that will save atleast Soul King Yhwach is if he genuinely gets Solar System+ feats and I doubt that will happen... but since this is just Yhwach without Almighty, he's just fucked.
Yhwach without Almighty is not featless, have you watched the last 2 episodes of Bleach TYBW anime cour 2 ?
The Almighty and Sankt Altar are two completely different abilities and they are not linked to each other in any way, we've seen Yhwach use Ichibei's power to control over the Black with his Sankt Altar in the anime, it's just that Ichibei is just conceptually stronger than him that he can just steal it back from Yhwach.
Almighty is not power stealing abilitity unlike Sankt Altar, it's just a straight up power null, then again, almighty is irrelevant in this debate, but Sankt Altar is allowed.
The statement was that he could destroy three planets with his own power, instead of taking the stated "universes" at face value.
Do you honestly think Yhwach is only Continent level or something?
Because from what I have seen in this thread, the Bull had enough power to change the rotation of the Earth. To stop the rotation of the Earth it only requires 1.6 × 10^26 Joules of energy (Enough energy to destroy a large continent). However, destroying even a single planet (Earth) requires 2.25 × 10³² Joules. So, by the power department, Yhwach is many times more than the Bull unless it has better feats.
Also the OP seems to disagree with you
LMFAO, don't waste my time. And if the OP is that bias, then the thread is a wash from the start.Thinking I care about that
1. Yhwach told Ichibei that He can see the future and any abilities in the future he sees cannot Harm him
2. Ichibei use his skill and Yhwach become immune to it.
3. They want to say Yhwach is immune to Alchides RP because of Seeing the Future and therefore Alchides can't Harm him
4. I told them Alcides doesn't harm the person he stole from6
5. They then say that since Ichibei change the person's existence, Alchides stealing must work the same way
6. Since Yhwach negate Ichibei's abilities, Yhwach will negate Alchides as well
7. I told them they are 2 different abilities
8. They insist it's the same with Ichibei's name changing ability
9. I show screenshot of Alcides stealing Jack's NP and Jack don't feel nor get any harm and ask them where did Jack get harmed
10. "It just harm okay?!!"
LMFAO, don't waste my time. And if the OP is that bias, then the thread is a wash from the start.
...I still don't see how that works as a comparison...
Not to mention, again that's not even true in Bleach Canon because surprise shock horror:
Yhwach has seen both Getsuga Tenshou and Kyoka Suigetsu work... and he wasn't immune to either of them. He even gets smashed by a Cero Getsuga and it actually hurt him. Besides, it was Haschwalth that made that stupid as hell declaration, not Yhwach himself.
Thats what I told them, if it works 100% as described he would be immune to Ichigo's Zanpakuto, but he didn't. But the declaration come from Yhwach not Haschwalth.
Open this.
And the comparison is like I said above: "Ichibei use his skill and Yhwach become immune to it. since Ichibei change the person's existence, Alchides stealing must work the same way. And since Ichibei is considered "harming", therefore Alcides must harm as well, and Yhwach will be immune to Alcides".
The hell you want me to say that I haven't said a billion times over? I even stated all they will do is stonewall rather than actually answer you correctly.
I already pointed out that despite having The Almighty in his flashback with Ichibei, he didn't see or know he was gonna lose it just grabbing on the Soul King's arm and is surprised it's sealed despite the fact he should have seen it coming. He didn't see Kyoka Suigetsu coming either nor did he see Uryu's Anti-Thesis or even get back the vision that he was going to die against Ichigo. If he refuses to listen, fuck him and move on, you ain't convincing everyone and they will just stonewall you to death and I know, I have been stonewalled in SB so many goddamned times, it's the core reason why I don't do VS. debates as often anymore.
Out of curiousity, what thread did you exactly got banned on?
Eh thats not quite right, iirc there are only three members of ainz ooal gown ainz could never beat regardless of how much planning he had, and the one mentioned was touch me. Overall in terms of pvp he's in the middle upper class of players with his gear. While he's not the top of the top he's better at combat/pvp then most players in the game. Saying that his specialty was usually to throw the first match then come back with more knowledge on his opponent to win.Everyone wanking Overlord and downplaying D&D using game mechanics tends to miss the part where Ainz, with full prep at his strongest, still admitted that he can't beat the likes of the other Supreme Ones, even the ones who are more unga bunga than hax-focused like Ainz (especially the unga bunga boys), let alone beings from the New World. Even with game mechanics in the setting rendering him as OP as he is.
Cool storyEh thats not quite right, iirc there are only three members of ainz ooal gown ainz could never beat regardless of how much planning he had, and the one mentioned was touch me. Overall in terms of pvp he's in the middle upper class of players with his gear. While he's not the top of the top he's better at combat/pvp then most players in the game. Saying that his specialty was usually to throw the first match then come back with more knowledge on his opponent to win.
What really carries him is his equipment, most players did not get even a single divine class item. Ainz carries and wears a full set, outfitting npcs with them is basically insane even by the logic of the game world they left behind ainz ooal gown just had the resources to burn.
..............When did I say otherwise? I was just pointing out ainz actually was pretty good at pvp back in game, and that the amount of divine equipment ainz ooal gown had was insane/stupid even before transferring to a infinitely weaker world.Cool story
Bahamut throws the verse in the trash
I know but it's weird to point out when it doesn't really matter in the context of what's being discussed..............When did I say otherwise? I was just pointing out ainz actually was pretty good at pvp back in game, and that the amount of divine equipment ainz ooal gown had was insane/stupid even before transferring to a infinitely weaker world.
Also worth noting ainz kinda did consider this, he notes if shalltear fought smarter/used her buffs and abilities more intelligently his plan was essentially to run away and let the guardians come in and smack her.. Remember how Ainz had to autistically apply seven million buffs and make use of intense planning in order to defeat Shalltear? Now I want you to imagine that exact same scenario, but while Shalltear might not be as strong this time around, this time she just applied a bunch of buffs herself, threw out of a bunch of debuffs against Ainz, and then made some "meme batman prep time"-level autistic plan to ensure a swift and decisive victory against Ainz,
I mean they mentioned ainz position in his own verse? I was just pointing out it's not quite how they remember. Similarly above they mentioned what if shalltear planned/buffed etc (More fore comparison to dnd of course), and I had to mention ainz did actually consider something akin to that possibility and his plan was to run with his tail between his legs asap.I know but it's weird to point out when it doesn't really matter in the context of what's being discussed