Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo

[Adamant soul]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/fate-strange-fake-servants-vs-the-espadas-bleach.1141423/

Nearly forgot why I was coming in here...
@Adamant soul Hey, they are doing this shit AGAIN!

Bringing up Respira as if it's going to do a fucking thing to any Servant worth a damn? ha

Not just because magic resistance tells it (and a lot of other Bleach hax for that matter) to FUCK OFF.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Bringing up Respira as if it's going to do a fucking thing to any Servant worth a damn? ha

Not just because magic resistance tells it (and a lot of other Bleach hax for that matter) to FUCK OFF.

What's worse is that it wouldn't work either... because 2 Servants was able to stick around for thousands of years and the only thing that affected one of them(Since they had to become their NP for their plan to work) was them losing their mind... before restoring it virtually instantly with a backup(They are Pseudo Divine Spirit so...)

Here and here, is basically the entire scene of Ganesha basically going through the literal thousands of years of having to stay completely conscious for Ashwatthaman's plan to complete. Even though she virtually goes completely insane in the process, she still stays conscious enough to keep her Noble Phantasm going and still remember who she made a promise to(Karna) and who believes in her(Ritsuka).
Here, She actually shows enough mental faculties to know who Ritsuka is without prodding, but to use Ganesha's Divine Wisdom to, in a sense, regain her sense of self(It's again stated that she KNOWS the experience she went through, it's more covering what she lost) but due to how long she was in there, she lost the ability to move temporarily(Same with Lakshmi).

Respira literally shouldn't be able to do jack shit even without Magic Resistance because Servants literally cannot age whatsoever.

 

[Paxton]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/sogiita-gunha-toaru-vs-fumihiko-takaba-jujutsu-kaisen.1141381/

strong guts vs strong comedy

 

[Salfarc]

TYPE-Moon/Nasuverse Feats/General Thread - People Die If They Are Killed Edition

Alright, I fully finished Ivan The Terrible's section alongside the Oprinchnki since it's ultimately just another of his Noble Phantasms and added in some extras I may have missed and changed some stuff around. I actually plan on adding LB Anastasia next as I actually forgot that LB1 did give...

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I nor you should say anything more than that. She explicitly used Excalibur before the hoof of the Divine Bulls was able to step on her literally. There's no charge time whatsoever and Rhongomyniad is literally in the same boat by Morgan's animations and the Lion King's use of it in the Camelot movies. Noble Phantasm Charge Times is wanked to hell and back to somehow take seconds or minutes when the ONLY time Charge Times ever get anywhere big... is in Arjuna's case in Extella Link but that was when he was already badly injured facing Oraclized Karna and needed more time charging Pashupata.

That's the only time Noble Phantasms having any significant charge times ever happened in canon as otherwise: Unless it's explicitly stated as such, no Noble Phantasm should take more than 1-3 seconds tops to use it's true power.

This guy is talking as if every single FT char is Hypersonic.

Every single video shows some time. I don't know what you think needs to be proved when I'm saying 'like the videos.' You're saying that's not much time but.. ok? It's still enough time for FT fighters to attack first. I'm not sure why you think the amount of time shown isn't enough to attack first.

And nah, FT has plenty of attacks that don't involve saying the name of where the name is said after or whatever. Way back in Phantom Lord, Aria was keeping Natsu at bay with air blast palm strikes. Laxus can make unnamed lightning attacks with a gesture. Etc.. Most of them can just belt out attacks fast, and then have other attacks they like to say the name of.




No but that's because Rin doesn't have a lot of power- well there is the time she killed some Herc lives but in general no. Compared to Hades, whose attacks were able to significantly hurt major FT characters from just before the skip? That's like night and day. And Hades isn't a top tier, he's just an example of someone who's keeping multiple strong mages with fast magic at bay by shooting out faster magic.

Also the issue is it's not just one person it's a ton.

Make a super Rin who's fast as a fast servant and who's gandr was as strong as a strong servant's attack, and then make a hundred of her, and heck yea Morgan wouldn't be getting a 12 rhongo salute off.

Like the Hades guy is just shooting magic bullet like Rin. In this scenario where its 1v1.

 

[Proto234]

This guy is talking as if every single FT char is Hypersonic.

Quite surpised though that he has involved in vs debates for like more than a decade, almost 2 decades in fact (judging from his join date) and yet he has these asanine pov.

You think as a veteran he supposed to has better knowledge regarding vs battle

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

This guy is talking as if every single FT char is Hypersonic.

Since when is that the case? Only the Top Tiers of Fairy Tail should be comfortably Hypersonic and Morgan is very obviously faster than that considering she fought multiple combatants(Servant tier and much, much higher) multiple times(Do people forget Morgan fought all 4 Major Clans and won? Or the only Fairy that had her number was Mab and she was literally created from hundreds of King Clan's dead members to create a super Fairy) and never got overwhelmed in a normal sense until she got surprise ganked by Woodwose and truly lost to Mab in a straight fight... and NO ONE is in Fairy Tail is matching either monster.

Again, he truly refuses to understand the rules of the VS debate(They are only AWARE of Morgan, not know where the hell she is), refuses to understand the characters' themselves(EVERYONE is in character so why the fuck would Ishgard work with the Alvarez Empire or why would Tartaros work with anyone else when they explicitly hate all Humans? Or Hades work with ANYONE?) and fail to understand Morgan herself?
It's literally reading terrible Fan-Fiction as I continue to state it over and over again.

 

[Proto234]

Since when is that the case? Only the Top Tiers of Fairy Tail should be comfortably Hypersonic and Morgan is very obviously faster than that considering she fought multiple combatants(Servant tier and much, much higher) multiple times(Do people forget Morgan fought all 4 Major Clans and won? Or the only Fairy that had her number was Mab and she was literally created from hundreds of King Clan's dead members to create a super Fairy) and never got overwhelmed in a normal sense until she got surprise ganked by Woodwose and truly lost to Mab in a straight fight... and NO ONE is in Fairy Tail is matching either monster.

Again, he truly refuses to understand the rules of the VS debate(They are only AWARE of Morgan, not know where the hell she is), refuses to understand the characters' themselves(EVERYONE is in character so why the fuck would Ishgard work with the Alvarez Empire or why would Tartaros work with anyone else when they explicitly hate all Humans? Or Hades work with ANYONE?) and fail to understand Morgan herself?
It's literally reading terrible Fan-Fiction as I continue to state it over and over again.

Aren't FT chars are basically idiots where their strat basically only amounts to full straight gun blazing.

I'd imagine they will share the same fate with Muramasa who did tried the same tactic

 

[Blade]

on the old obd we had some calcs for double digits high tiers in natsu land (which is legit, they faster than jjk land)

but there were also some crazy sub-rel/relativistic calcs for irene's feat

 

[Salfarc]

Since when is that the case? Only the Top Tiers of Fairy Tail should be comfortably Hypersonic and Morgan is very obviously faster than that considering she fought multiple combatants(Servant tier and much, much higher) multiple times(Do people forget Morgan fought all 4 Major Clans and won? Or the only Fairy that had her number was Mab and she was literally created from hundreds of King Clan's dead members to create a super Fairy) and never got overwhelmed in a normal sense until she got surprise ganked by Woodwose and truly lost to Mab in a straight fight... and NO ONE is in Fairy Tail is matching either monster.

I have no idea, am even surprise he say "get a Rin that is as fast as a Servant" when I compare Rin to that Hades guy. Talking about woodwose she even survive a direct hit from him and this magic bullet that cant even make Gray and Wendy's body to explode is suppose to hurt her?

Again, he truly refuses to understand the rules of the VS debate(They are only AWARE of Morgan, not know where the hell she is), refuses to understand the characters' themselves(EVERYONE is in character so why the fuck would Ishgard work with the Alvarez Empire or why would Tartaros work with anyone else when they explicitly hate all Humans? Or Hades work with ANYONE?) and fail to understand Morgan herself?
It's literally reading terrible Fan-Fiction as I continue to state it over and over again.

Yea I agree this is terrible. The fact that ppl actually like his comment makes me wonder if they actually agree with this.

They like the comment where he shows Artoria does not need to charge but he act as if it does. Likes in SB does not matter, but am curious of their mind state for liking them.

 

[Triple Accel 555]

It is just translation of commentary of those servants make on illyafest event in FGO (said event is based and parodies takeshi castle TV show)

Actually Morgan admit Mab is the one who capable to injured her and accourding to Knocknarea both of them have last duel 400 years ago before Chaldea come to LB6.

There no statement who wins in their battle.

 

[Proto234]

Actually Morgan admit Mab is the one who capable to injured and accourding to Knocknarea both of them have last duel 400 years ago before Chaldea come to LB6.

There no statement who wins in their battle.

Uh, this doesn't have anything to do with the commentary event pic in question though?

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Aren't FT chars are basically idiots where their strat basically only amounts to full straight gun blazing.

I'd imagine they will share the same fate with Muramasa who did tried the same tactic

Yep, there is very little strategy in Fairy Tail past "Friendship it up" and somehow defeat the enemy through pure PIS and DEM.
To be fair, Muramasa's plan only got that far as he ganked Barghest before she was aware of him as he even stated she would have been a tough fight if she saw him coming.
It's also implied as a motherfucker Morgan would have beat his ass and Muramasa knew it and only went in gun's blazing as a FU to U-Olga's orders.

on the old obd we had some calcs for double digits high tiers in natsu land (which is legit, they faster than jjk land)

but there were also some crazy sub-rel/relativistic calcs for irene's feat

So basically one outlier and the rest is just low double digits? Makes sense

I have no idea, am even surprise he say "get a Rin that is as fast as a Servant"

When Rin used Reinforcement against Medea... yeah, she's described as being as fast as a Servant:

Rin Tohsaka vs Medea

Here, Rin rushes towards Medea with Artoria like speed.

The problem is they think due to this, Rin and Servants are slow as shit rather than Rin being ludicrous in her Magical Energy can reinforce herself to such a degree when it's literally stated she learned how watching Medea using her's for Kuzuki's buffs(Which buffed him x10 his already superhuman ability and Rin herself is a Superhuman but just far weaker than Kuzuki).

Talking about woodwose she even survive a direct hit from him and this magic bullet that cant even make Gray and Wendy's body to explode is suppose to hurt her?

I would say considering her Clone only died after a battle against multiple High Tier Servants and their equivalents, Morgan would take alot to actually die.

They like the comment where he shows Artoria does not need to charge but he act as if it does. Likes in SB does not matter, but am curious of their mind state for liking them.

Simple, they don't like Fate and will agree with anything that fits their point as a whole(That tends to be how Likes happen as only a few otherwise is from making a good argument or proving a point).

 

[Triple Accel 555]

Uh, this doesn't have anything to do with the commentary event pic in question though?

Sorry i was replying to Xhominid. Not to you.

 

[Salfarc]

She's done in like, literally every visual interpretation of her NP. I genuinely don't know where you possibly could get that the process is instant.

Someone else chime in with F/GO Artoria NP animation, ignoring the other video evidences where she doesn't.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Someone else chime in with F/GO Artoria NP animation, ignoring the other video evidences where she doesn't.

So we are literally gonna ignore everything that happened in F/Z and something explicitly stated in the Materials that Excalibur has the fastest activation rate... to then pretend it has a slow activation rate... because of cinematography?

And Spacebattles doesn't understand why they are at the bottom of the VS. debating structure with shitty arguments like these?

 

[Salfarc]

So we are literally gonna ignore everything that happened in F/Z and something explicitly stated in the Materials that Excalibur has the fastest activation rate... to then pretend it has a slow activation rate... because of cinematography?

And Spacebattles doesn't understand why they are at the bottom of the VS. debating structure with shitty arguments like these?

Talking about Fast Activation Rate:

@shiny chime in to point out Iskandar too and this is his reply


Like what is that quote suppose to do for him? If anything it proves Shiny correct, since the prana already gathers up before Iskandar reaches her when Iskandar is already charging towards her

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

I just wanna bring something up in a separate post because while @Adamant soul did bring it up, I haven't actually got into how absolutely stupid this tactic is that Spacebattles uses:

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/fate-strange-fake-servants-vs-the-espadas-bleach.1141423/?post=98432671#post-98432671

how shall barragan´s respira be treated?. like, its not every type of magic and magic based life-forms that die because of advanced aging, and there is also the whole age=more mystery=more power thing to deal with

Like here, they try and use the Nasuverse's Mystery = Power against it when it comes to certain series but it's primarily used for Bleach because "Well known Battle Shounen and shit stretches thousands to millions of years depending on the character" shit means that "Oh boy, their shit should be extremely powerful and work on every Servant because Mystery!" but obviously, they never use against anything else BUT when it comes to shit like Bleach(Meaning it's not only ridiculous, it's also hypocritical).

The problem with that is that the Mystery component as a whole... doesn't really work in the fashion they think it does(Enough power can overwhelm any amount of Mystery...) and it's just there so that it can give Bleach an "Unfair Advantage" especially when it comes to Ichibei(Whose so much his own can of worms that it hurts).

Like what is that quote suppose to do for him? If anything it proves Shiny correct, since the prana already gathers up before Iskandar reaches her when Iskandar is already charging towards her

All that happened was that she unfurled Invisible Air... and yeah, that means that she gathered all available Magical Energy in that split instant which would basically fit Excalibur having the fastest activation time(And even then, Iskandar's Via Expungatio itself wasn't "obviously charging with magical energy", he just said it's True Name and fucking WENT so even that shits on that retarded ass narrative that "Noble Phantasms Charging takes awhile" when it never did.
It's just retarded cases of downplay from terminally brainrot individuals that love using shit like that to downplay one series but then choose the best for theirs if you so much as point out how dumb the argument is.

EDIT: Hell, reading the passage makes it worse because she wasn't even gathering up Magical Energy at that point:
That Magical Energy was coming OFF of Excalibur from her revealing it out of Invisible Air.

“—Let the wind come!”

Seeing her opponent rush towards her, Saber also hurriedly pulled out her sword under the protection of the air pressure.

Opening the vortex of the hurricane, a golden light shone forth as if to show the kingship of the knight; prana was continuously roiling.

She wasn't even gathering up energy in this instance which makes this whole thing worse. He's definitely using the Anime which embellished the scene hard and had Iskandar just charge at her and her preparing for it in transit rather than her preparing for it when it was in her face due to how fast it was(Which is a typical UFOTable problem).

 

[Salfarc]

All that happened was that she unfurled Invisible Air... and yeah, that means that she gathered all available Magical Energy in that split instant which would basically fit Excalibur having the fastest activation time(And even then, Iskandar's Via Expungatio itself wasn't "obviously charging with magical energy", he just said it's True Name and fucking WENT so even that shits on that retarded ass narrative that "Noble Phantasms Charging takes awhile" when it never did.
It's just retarded cases of downplay from terminally brainrot individuals that love using shit like that to downplay one series but then choose the best for theirs if you so much as point out how dumb the argument is.

EDIT: Hell, reading the passage makes it worse because she wasn't even gathering up Magical Energy at that point:
That Magical Energy was coming OFF of Excalibur from her revealing it out of Invisible Air.



She wasn't even gathering up energy in this instance which makes this whole thing worse. He's definitely using the Anime which embellished the scene hard and had Iskandar just charge at her and her preparing for it in transit rather than her preparing for it when it was in her face due to how fast it was(Which is a typical UFOTable problem).

What do you mean? Obviously Artoria's Excalibur is slower than Iskandar's charge. Iskandar Charge before Artoria raises up Excalibur and Artoria finish Excalibur blast before Iskandar Charge reaches her. fr fr.

I don't understand how is this logic... Like read this

That Saber has to swing her sword back indicates that she has to charge it, or at least is indicative of a step in the process, because if she didn't then there'd be no point and she could just slash it like a normal attack.

Ironically, even when she does use it as a normal slash, she still takes the time to swing it back over her head.

Yes it does you condescending dumbass. Reread the own comment you quoted.

About a hundred meters away, Rider's chariot also slowed to a stop. And it had reversed the direction that it was facing, too. All this time, it had moved straightforward to let Saber trail in its dust, but now it actually turned around; the eyes of the two divine bulls, as well as their master the King of Conquerors, were filled with a feeling of the joy of battle; he looked upon Saber with a captivating gaze.

The King of Conquerors' direct attack sent a shiver down Saber's spine. By the rushing of the divine bulls, the hundred-meter distance had instantaneously been decreased to zero. In the blink of an eye, the might of Gordius Wheel manifested before her eyes.

Saber did not start the process of deploying her NP when Iskandar was a couple meters away.


He was 100 meters. And she started deploying her NP the moment he started to charge.

Iskandar, who even assessed the distance and witnessed the deployment of Saber's NP before, judged that his victory was 50/50.

Comparing the time he remembered it would take Saber to activate her Noble Phantasm and the acceleration power of Rider's Noble Phantasm... No matter what angle he looked at it, it was very difficult to guess at the final result. The distance across which the two confronted each other was really very opportune.

"… How sure are you of victory? Rider?"

"About half."

A far cry from "Saber's NP being faster than Iskandar's from a couple of meters away"

Unfortunately, that has nothing to do with the original comment. So instead of trying to speak for other people, go get a sip of coffee before you have another temper tantrum like you keep having for several threads.

He literally saying Iskandar somehow is faster than Artoria when Artoria finish Excalibur before Iskandar and Iskandar go first.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

What do you mean? Obviously Artoria's Excalibur is slower than Iskandar's charge. Iskandar Charge before Artoria raises up Excalibur and Artoria finish Excalibur blast before Iskandar Charge reaches her. fr fr.

I don't understand how is this logic... Like read this



He literally saying Iskandar somehow is faster than Artoria when Artoria finish Excalibur before Iskandar and Iskandar go first.

Then he's a massive idiot then but that's always been TheWorld's gimmick considering he trusts DeepL more than any other translation, including Beast's Lair and the Official NA translation because he was told a few times the latter is a bad translation(completely ignoring that the only reason people say that is because of the rushjobs the latter crew has to do meaning typos and sentence structures tend to be off rather than genuinely terrible translations, there are even quite a few times BL Translators even praises their take on things) and thus there's no reason to take it for true at all.

 

[Salfarc]

My guy it get worse.

No fucking shit. When you pull your leg up, you are generating power and momentum for more force in your attack. That is charging up. This is literal basic physics. I feel like I'm coddling a toddler.

And just like in the time it takes for when you pull back your arm for a punch, someone can punch you in the mouth in that time-frame, thereby exploiting your "charge time". I'm not exaggerating anything. I don't two shits about Fairy Tail.

You complain about the anime's visual effects
I post a video of the game
You then recourse to showing the anime
I post a video of the anime
You then decide to scrap it all together, because it's a "visual effect"

Lmao

If you hadn't noticed, I literally never said that. I even bolded the relevant point out to make it easier for you, and clarified what I was talking about, but you still somehow missed it. English must not be your first language or you read with your eyes closed.


Oh my god. This is embarrassing. Please stop.

That is quite literally comparing the time it takes to deploy her NP with the time it takes for Iskandar to move forward a couple of meters. It does not get more explicit than that.

Loud but wrong.

You gotta do yourself a favor of reading people's posts correctly.

I still don't get how 'pull back and swing,' is supposed to be anything other than an action that takes time, that faster attacks can happen during and interrupt.

Why is that saying to you 'there's no time to act' when there's clearly time there? Like you say split second… That's too slow, that's the point! The amount of time shown is not too short to act during.

And in FGO, not having time to use NPs due to enemies attacking too fast is a repeated thing.




Fun fact, pre-series Erza has reaction times so fast she can play a perfect game of pool with bullet richochets.

page 1, page 2- with the note that's a superhuman gunwizard with magic bullets, not a normal human, and Erza improves a fair amount in part 1, this is likely a year or two before she fights Hades (the gunwizard is a guild member in good standing for some time before part 1 starts). Also Erza is in her basic outfit and not her outfits that increase her speed like her speed armor or her everything into stats unarmored mode- she didn't even need to use her own modes in order to treat supersonic bullets as something to play a game with.

Here's pre-timeskip Lucy having Taurus intercept shotgun shot clearly shown to be in mid-air before he arrives. Taurus is a strength based summon and not even one of her fastest ones, and Lucy is notably weaker than other main characters like Gray and Erza. Even part 1 Lucy can intercept supersonic attacks and… it's hard to explain just how far she is below Hades.

Those are just two of the opponents Hades was overwhelming at the same time. Hades can also make additional minions strong enough to threaten them, so it's not exactly 1v1.

Then pretty much every major character gets not one but multiple power boosts including speed…Natsu beats a demon who has, among other thing, Hades' soul and his magic after just the first boost. By the end we're so many scaling levels above 'bullets are slow and easy to deal with.'

Plus Laxus actually turns into lightning to zap around at times….



Eh, same point about if Rin was fast enough to hit first and strong enough for the spell to work, shooting a gandr first would be a way to stop being blasted. The problem is Rin is too slow and weak, not that quick blasts of magic are a bad approach.