King of time
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https://www.fanverse.org/threads/kamen-rider-century-vs-aizen.1312515/. The bait has been completed, now waiting for the fish to bite
Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Xcano
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There's no hypocrisy here, it's not a thread about Vs Debating.
All that thread is for is for posting pictures of cool weapons, and all that post is is him saying "This weapon is so powerful is can kill a god". Do you think he means every god, or do think he's just gushing about some media he likes? Do you even know what series it is?
Like, okay. Vader feels more powerful in the Rogue One scene than does, I don't know, Captain Ginyu. I don't think Vader beating up a hallway full of random dudes is a better feat than what Captain Ginyu does, we're just talking about completely different things. The Fox Quicksilver scene "feels faster" than when Sonic runs to the ocean and back in his movie, that doesn't mean it is faster. I mean, it's not a coincidence that Kratos is often seen as extremely powerful outside of battleboarding contexts because he "kills gods". "God" has a certain amount of cultural weight to it, and also typically implies a lot of relative power (I.E., that they're very strong for a particular setting). See also: "Doomguy kills Hell".
If I was posting about "badass characters in fiction", I might say "bro, Doomguy kills Hell, Batman fights gods". I would not use these arguments in a Vs Debating thread, because we're discussing a different standard there. There's no hypocrisy between these two points.
That said, let's just suppose Mook means it's powerful in a feat way anyways. In fact, let's assume (based on nothing) that he's even specifically comparing it to TES while posting it (this is more for your sake than mine).
Are there any contextual differences between the two settings? Do the gods in whatever Mook is talking about have feats he would consider better? Does the weapon itself just have feats that suggest it could kill a god anyways? Does the weapon have contextual evidence for "scaling up" (I.E. I would be more inclined to buy Trunks' sword being sharp than I would be if he had killed Frieza with a rusted pipe). Is "god" a more objective measure of raw power and durability in one setting than another? Do they simply state at some point outright "You have to be X-strong to kill a god"?
There's literally no way to know any of these things without asking. To be clear, it's almost certainly not any of those things. If you asked Mook if he thought the Amulet of Kings was "cool and powerful" he might say yes and then go on to disagree that it's "powerful relative to X shonen hero". These aren't hypocritical positions at all, he's basically just saying "This piece of art is cool, I emotionally resonated with it".
I just find it annoying that you don't think to ask these questions, either because you can't or are extremely self-assured and incurious. Like, bear in mind, you literally have an account on the website. You could just call him out instead of taking potshots from a mile away. I have to assume you don't do this either because it just doesn't cross your mind or because you're very insecure about confrontation outside of your "home territory".
Bro, you can't have said all of that and actually think you made a good point there...
...Yes? Because the problem with Indivisible is that we have no idea how strong the Gods are in the game, so it already has bad expectations to go "It can kill Gods" when those gods in Indivisible can easily be chump change in comparison to Gods in other media. There is intent and tone and that's the problem.
I feel like that's a reductionist's take on the point here...
Characters can feel more powerful, faster, smarter than other characters, big fucking whoop but at the end of the day, that's not the argument being done here or the fact it's correct. You know how many times I see people say that MHA characters or god fucking forbid, JJK characters are stronger than Fate characters because they "feel more powerful", yet their shit so extraordinarily basic bitch? Again, there are Gods in The Elder Scrolls too that basically make the whole cosmology it's bitch and they still get their ass waxed, are they less powerful than Indivisible's Kala because they lost to "Bows and Arrows" vs. getting shot by some "super gun that looks more impressive"? That's the real question there.
There is considering how strong Doom Slayer genuinely is using his materials and Director Commentary vs. Batman who tends to need backup, trickery and otherwise to "defeat" Darkseid in a straight fight.
Isn't that what you should be taking into account as a VS. debater anyway?! You should be taking into account both sides, their materials, the director commentary, anything as long as it's ultimately not an outlier and contradictory to anything and everything else ever shown. For instance, we already know how Trunks is able to cut King Cold and Frieza with his Sword but King Cold fails to cut him with his Sword and he can't cut Goku's fingers off so that shouldn't be in question even if they had chopsticks or soggy noodles. What should be in question is how strong is Kala in relation to The Elder Scrolls Gods and other Divine Beings.
Considering how Mook is, he most likely would say something like that unironically...
I mean, look at what thread you are on? And you don't think him or any of the other SB'ers see this thread here? We know the mods do and we know they do from their Discord. If they actually want to go back up their claims, they can do so here in person, they don't need no one to basically fight in their honor. Despite what it looks like, no one is going to "jump them" because we got better things to do with our time. So in truth, I don't think anyone is shouting at anyone from "A mile away" when they are basically reading this thread in the first place.
Xcano
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Yes, as a Vs Debater. The thread wasn't a Vs Debate thread. Hence, Mook isn't making a Vs argument. This was the point of my post. Mook is just like, posting a thing he thinks is cool. It's 2 sentences and a picture, he's not making any arguments or claims there lol.
When you try and turn this back around into an argument about JJK and MHA and Fate (things that nobody has even mentioned?) you aren't helping your point that this doesn't come across as extremely kneejerky reactions to what is ultimately a normal guy discussing media the way a normal person does.
I used it as an example...
Like goddamn, if I didn't mention it and used another series like Star Wars as a counterpoint, would you have used it against me in believing there's some stupid shit there rather than just an example?
Maybe you should go back to Spacebattles right now because it feels like you yourself are getting overly defensive for no reason.
To get onto your point, it doesn't matter if it's a VS. discussion especially when you try and cherrypick certain points:
My point there was explicitly setting up those standards in the first place since gods alone are a HIGHLY charged deal in most fictional series and vary just as wildly as an antagonist being only barely different than any human to basically being above even Multiverses. And looking at Indivisible, while you can say Kala is a genuine Universal God, that seems to only be the case if she's complete and even the weapon used didn't kill her at all and she came back later(And somehow reincarnated into a Human at the end of the game).
Man, Imaginary doesn't even realize most of the crazy shit in FSF are high end feats like Theia's Meteor Rail Gun, Alcides straight devouring Gugulanna, The Prelatis basically showing how ridiculous Merlin's Illusions are as a whole and Gilgamesh basically nulling Richard's Excaliblast Storm and overpowering him completely(Which is hilarious as his Excalibur's get stronger the more powerful the weapon he has and he disintegrated Enkidu's Age of Babylon Barrage with a Tree Branch and against Gil, he had a genuine Noble Phantasm).
Reading the synopsis of the show, it makes me wonder if all they really have is "Adam shoots a laser" and that's it?
Atleast there's some actual variety for once so that's good for them.
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Mook demons have been dodging bullets in the spin off. And he's above them.
Also this.
imagine downplaying how good the power cosmic is
King of time
Exceptional
Given he has said the exact opposite with the exact same reasons against other series, and he's still going to retain this mindset elsewhere, yes it is hypocrisy.
It's a thread for superweapons, not just cool weapons, and the reason he lists it as powerful is because it's strong enough to kill a god. These same reasons he has dismissed Kagranacs Tools or the Amulet of Kings.
There are literally hundreds of other threads for posting weapons regardless of what their power levels are, but in a thread for superweapons his main argument was for the opposite reasons of what he's argued for in the past.
Again, this is all irrelevant because Mook has claimed that the title of god is meaningless for the likes of Vivec, Alduin and the Princes.
On top of literally everything else I've said before, I've had people bring up vs nonsense with me in said threads, even when I didn't mention anything first. I've seen people on SB take petty snipes at others in threads dedicated to movies because they're terminally obsessed with vs. People don't change their mindsets for different threads.
Again it doesn't matter, because his reasons are the same as for other reasons he's dismissed.
Yes I have played Indivisible, but the powers of gods (of which we only meet one) in that game aren't relevant to the discussion. He could have be using any other series with a god-killing weapon and this argument still would have held.
Yes, if only there were examples of me talking to him on SB itself. Could I, perhaps, bring up dozens of examples of me posting direct evidence and him ignoring it, or then using the exact same arguments for a series he likes? I've called him and others like him directly out on his dishonesty and double standards on SB itself many times in the past.
You want an example? Here's a post from the person you have gone out of your way to defend, in which he makes a deliberate, mean-spirited post that flames me and makes some very nasty ad hominem attacks against me (as well as blatant strawmanning).
Servants (Fate) vs Tamriel (Elder Scrolls)
Even PC stand ins (I think the ESO ones are Vestiges?), aka epic heroes and the greatest warrior in the Empire who is also half-Giant can barely keep up with enemies that have actual superspeed. And judging by how those vampires lost by literally running into the PC and Lyris' weapons it seems...
forums.spacebattles.com Servants (Fate) vs Tamriel (Elder Scrolls)
The fact that you think being ignorant of a series is a problem is the problem. A lack of knowledge can easily be rectified. A lack of critical thinking, not so much. Casual fans have a better grasp of the Elder Scrolls series than people like STTGL ever will, because the former will look at...
forums.spacebattles.com After this @Xadlin (thanks BTW, you are a bro), makes a post in my defence, in which he says...
There'll be a test on this soon, so keep this all in mind.
So what do I do about Mooks snipes? I directly call him out on it. Please take note of the link I post in the middle of my argument to a post that Mook made where he very deliberately uses Maidens causing storms as a feat.
If you don't believe me, here's Mook making the exact argument that controlling the weather is a feat of power (or are you going to tell me that 'because this is a different series, he would have a different mind set' which BTW, is exactly the point).
So let's see how he and his friends react to this; by deliberately cropping out my argument when I very set up a logical trap for him and lie their asses off, proving my point that said feat isn't impressive when TES does it, but impressive when series he likes does it.
There's another example of deliberately cropping out my argument too, but more to the point, how does Mook react to a post that deliberately cropped out evidence that called him out for purpuseful bad-faith disingenuous behaviour and outright flaming?
He likes said comment, even though it highlights him for the entire world to see as a bad-faith liar and bullying scum. Now I will take this moment to remind you of what Xad said;
Xad made a suggestion to have a civil discussion about why Mook may disagree with what I (and others like me have said), but out course he (nor does any of his echochamber) ever do. Never has he apologies for the shit he said, nor for flaming or stonewalling or deliberate attacks on character, nor the fact that he behaves this way because he's upset about the power levels of a fictional fantasy world from a video game, and judging by every single other interaction he's had in every single TES related thread he's posted in, he's not changed his behaviour one bit, and isn't interested in it. He's outed himself as being dishonest and toxic and he doesn't care.
I, at the very least, have attempted to engage in honest debate and discussion with him and his ilk, but the same could never be said of him.
Oh by the way, Mook has also gone onto other websites and talked shit about me (and my friends) so everything here applies to him far more than it does to me (complete with deliberately taking evidence out of context and ignoring major plotlines). I'm almost certain that is me he is quoting too.
On the subject, shall we talk now about how you used gameplay mechanics to downplay TES?
Or how about this post, where you link a calc of mine, but down below very conspicuously fail to link another calc I'd made, but reference it all the same while linking something else (because the calc certainly wasn't even a single ton of TNT, yet alone Hiroshima levels)?
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Honestly, it's pretty funny too since that's well known SB behavior that motherfuckers don't apologize for shit and will gladly heckle, belittle and engage in massive Ad Hominem against you but if you so much as say shit towards them in return, you get smacked with a Suspend/Banhammer for it.
And I don't wanna hear "It's because X was somehow worse" when that's absolute bullshit. Even now, I see them do that same shit again and again and yet no one ever calls them out on it and if they do, they get hit with a ban. It's a consistent and well known problem and yet the mods not only allow it, they gladly let it happen. Even fucking REDDIT is less bullshit when it comes to that crap.
And I don't wanna hear "It's because X was somehow worse" when that's absolute bullshit. Even now, I see them do that same shit again and again and yet no one ever calls them out on it and if they do, they get hit with a ban. It's a consistent and well known problem and yet the mods not only allow it, they gladly let it happen. Even fucking REDDIT is less bullshit when it comes to that crap.
Trexalfa brought out the shovel against Mook oh my god
It's funny because there are plenty of users that will just smell bullshit over there and just randomly bury the shit out of users and their entire ideology.
I can't find the thread but good lord when someone was done with the shit and brought in receipts and everything over them basically trying to play the catfishing game, they wasn't having that
King of time
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I'm pretty sure garou needs monsters frorm and cosmic form to defeat mashMash Burnedead and the Hero Hunter [Mash vs Garou]
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