And people expect me to believe this is the same shit? lmaoSo, Type-Moon is misunderstood to be a unified canon by some. This group is starting to bec
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Since I have seen this again(and I talked about it before), I might as well go at this in earnest in it's entirety and be serious about it because despite what this dude is saying?
The people who legit believe there is an "Old Type-Moon Canon" and "New Type-Moon Canon" is not in the majority of the former at all and it further shows Westerners are absolute idiots to even fathom something like this...
So I'll go for each Contradiction, sum them up as best as I can(as some gets really wordy) and then throw in the counter against it using stuff from the "Old" Type-Moon canon to make a point.
Contradiction 1: How the multiverse works is completely different
Basically his point here is that in the "Old" timeline, there was infinite timelines based on the text from MirrorMoon's translation of F/SN of the Jeweled Sword of Zelretch and using the bit of from Aoko's Magecraft to show that he cannot truly draw upon infinite levels of Magical Energy while in the "New" timeline, due to the Pruning Theoretical Phenomenon, there is no longer infinite timelines but now finite timelines in rapidly expanding Universe based on the bit from Extella Materials.
The problem with this is the exact problem people tend to have with the misunderstanding of what was added in Fate/Extella about the timelines:
That there is still infinite timelines, it's just that Humanity cannot keep up a truly infinite amount of timelines all at once(And it's only for those that stagnate or go so far out of wack at that) and more importantly, those timelines aren't truly gone, they never was:
BECAUSE THAT'S THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE EXISTENCE OF THE LOSTBELTS! Humanity may see those timelines as "gone" but that doesn't mean the Universe
doesn't. So in the most simple terms possible, Humanity operates within the scope of a potentially finite scope of time but that doesn't mean the timelines that are pruned are gone forever, they just vanish from Humanities' purview as they don't have the scope to see those pruned timelines yet. Thus there is still infinite timelines, just in the typical Nasu fashion they are very, very much different in how they are done. Next!
Contradiction 2: Angel Notes cannot exist in Modern Type-Moon
...Do I even need to say anything? Because this makes zero sense because Angel Notes couldn't exist even in the "old" Type Moon, that's the entire point of Nasu never putting it in any Universe even before the advent of FGO. This is like saying Tsuki No Sango is the inevitable future of Prisma Illya.
The entire point is that like The Servantverse, The Age of Will and now what we got from OC3, Angel Notes is a potential Dead End of Humanity, it's never set in stone in the first place, not even in the Extra/Extella Timeline.
But to basically just bring what he stated here:
This story cannot exist in Modern Type-Moon because it's a dead end with the extinction of humanity, meaning it would've been a possibility that would've been culled before manifesting.
The Pruning Theoretical Phenomenon. Cannot. Prune. A. Future. That. Hasn't. Happened. Yet! And here's the thing this dumbass didn't read and guess what? It couldn't anyway because the future of Angel Notes would be locked in place anyway thanks to the Quantum Time Lock(The very thing that the entire plot of Extella hinged on? Because if Velber knew and re-located Earth again thanks to Archimedes right as the QTL closed, Humanity losing against them would be forever locked to that universe. Meaning Humanity is rendered extinct, just like in Angel Notes. Next!
Contradiction 3: The Root has been massively changed
I won't put in a TL;DR here because if you saw what the dude put in that Scion vs. Archetype Earth thread, you already know why it's bullshit. Basically, he thinks Void Shiki took you PHYSICALLY to The Root in the beginning of The Garden of Sinners... when all that happened was she went into your dreamscape in both the English and Japanese versions to talk to you in advance:
Shiki stating that "it's a place without boundaries" means it must be The Root is some of the most absolutely retarded reaching I have ever seen, especially when he states it MUST BE A PHYSICAL LOCATION DESPITE THE VERY BEGINNING STATES IT'S A DREAM RITSUKA IS HAVING AND VOID EVEN STATES THEY ARE DREAMING! This isn't even new as Kagetsu Tohya had this happen with Crimson Moon Brunsterd and Shiki Tohno. NEXT!
Contradiction 4: Void Shiki's characterization is completely changed and reversed
...Yeah I'm not even gonna deal with this retardation... no seriously I'm not gonna, just gonna go and put some of the cringe here:
In Fate/GO, however, Void Shiki is some weird cringe as all hell waifu that admires humans and willingly fights for them:
She even likes Ritsuka, who is just some malevolent guy that keeps trying to stop the salvation of humanity due to his broken ideas of wanting humanity to progress and suffer forever in an infinite cycle:
Hell, that constant derpy waifu smile with those beaming eyes is in contrast to her demeanor and appearance in KnK:
Basically dumbass fully believed in Void Shiki's own hype(That she's literally The Root and wanted to destroy all of creation but it's Shiki's own insane willpower going against it at all times... when that's not how Void Shiki is even in Garden of Sinners) and then believed that FGO is what turned her into a "bimby haired waifu" using fantranslation to prove his point that she's "contradicted to all hell". Get me the fuck out of here! It's fucking embarrassing.
Contradiction 5: Origin stat contradictions
Okay finally, one with some meat on it's bones!
Basically his argument here is basically that once a person's Origin awakens, they get stronger to a ridiculous degree, using pages from the Tsukihime/Melty Blood Manga as proof and this is also what happens with Pseudo-Spirit Origins for Servants with the MMC at will. And his point against the "New" cannon is that Dead Apostle Shiki having issues against Vlov and using his Rank as a further tied against Shiki and thus, it's a huge contradiction
Now, this can actually stump some people... but the very manga pages he brought up... goes against his very point:
None of this is new, absolutely none of this has anything to do with Origin awakening. What's happening is what always happens when Shiki is ready to kill because people forget that Shiki Tohno is Shiki NANAYA, A person from a Demon Slaying Family that ultimately got wiped out due to his dad fucking with Kouma. Shiki was ALWAYS capable of doing this like this, Origin be damned because that's not how that ever works. This is more ridiculous because Tohno's Origin would also be similar to Ryougi's due to even being able to use the MEoDP in the first place!
Also, notice he never brings up FGO's Spirit Origin Ascension which explicitly shows the "New" Canon explicitly is still 100% to the "Old" because Servants can explicitly get stronger due to that system at will once they reach that breakthrough. Instead, he brings up obvious as shit downplay for Dead Apostle Shiki ignoring that's always been a thing in the "Old" canon with Kotomine only being able to run at 60KMPH despite how that doesn't fit at all with him being able to not die against Cursed Arm or the numerous amount of speed errors when it comes to Servant battles. At the end of the day, Origins never power up someone to the next level if they don't have the necessary fashions to fully bring it up(See Shirou for that example)NEXT!
Contradiction 6: First Magic changed
Yeah, he will "get to this later" but I can already tell that it's basically a bunch of shit because nothing shows that the First Magic was contradicted... because we have no clue on what it truly IS yet.
Contradiction 7: Second Magic changed
The Second Magic originally was the superordinate control over time, being able to do things from basic time travel and time reversal, to wiping out entire timelines with a mere gesture, retroactively making things true or false based on if he personally acknowledges them or not, and completely rewriting the events of history down to the traits, specialities, appearance, and abilities of people:
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According to the new Tsukihime Remake guidebook, however, the Second Magic is only capable of travelling to different parallel worlds and nothing more, with it being so pathetic that it's hyped for being able to inadvertently preform limited time travel via causing time lag when the user hops to another timeline:
...Yeah, this is fucking stupid because guess what info he uses to show this is contradicted for most of it?!
STRANGE FUCKING FAKE! A series that would exactly be done around the time F/GO would be thought of and had it's first arc planned through! So apparently, Second Magic is contradicted... because of what the Tsukihime Remake stated about it?! But even then, it's more implied to be either related to Ayaka in that series(as it's confirmed she is not the same Ayaka from Prototype) because we know Zelretch created the Kalideosticks and the Neko-series robots! So it still feels utterly insane to think it's a part of 2nd Magic and it got retconned when the main reason Zelretch never appears to help is because the main flaw of the Second Magic still exists! Next!
Contradiction 8: Fifth Magic changed
In Mahoyo, it's explicitly stated that time travel of any kind can't be the Fifth Magic's true nature, as things related to time fall under the operation of the Second Magic, meaning its time manipulation is just a side effect that is subordinate to its true nature:
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But in Fate/GO, Alice says that the Fifth Magic's nature is "deceiving time", which is just a pretentious way of saying time manipulation:
...So, you continously take things out of context and then state it MUST be lying? We already know that Aoko's Fifth Magic has to do with Time and Time Travel to some degree as we have seen in Mahoyo. Also, the reason Aoko can do as much as she can in the Singularity is because it's completely outside of the Universe's purview so it won't slap her shit for fucking with time so hard so we never had a good grasp of what the Fifth Magic can tend to do. None of these remove the fact that it's still a simple facet of it's true form. Next!
Contradiction 9: Extra and Extella are incompatible
...Yeah, I'm just gonna skip this...
No seriously, I am. If anyone genuinely believes Extra and Extella are somehow compatible despite the entire deal with Extella is that it's a genuine sequel to Extra(The only difference is that Extella Zero is just a modified Extra), everyone remembers the Moon Holy Grail War and Gilgamesh explicitly remembers all of CCC... heavily goes against them being incompatible to every fashion. Might as well say Hollow Atraxia is incompatible to F/SN's anime versions. Next!
Side contradiction: An early outlier recton/canon split of KnK
I will try to make this as short as possible, as opposed to going into it in detail, as it'd be obscenely long. This is not part of the post Fate/GO and Extella major canon split, but a strange isolated canon contradiction much earlier on that later becomes part of the Modern Type-Moon canon. That being that Mirai Fukuin contradicts the core characterization of the main cast, completely destroys its messages, and overall just makes no sense.
Ryougi in MF somehow has gone back to her family and became the head of it, despite her not wanting anything to do with them for the entirety of KnK, on top of shitting out a child with Mikiya. This is completely contradictory to Ryougi and Mikiya's character.
So... we should take Ryougi being a teenager with having no idea of what she even wants to do with her life... to somehow take it that her entire characterization should be the same despite that is never Nasu's style with any of his protagonists? So should Mahoyo contradict the hell out of Touko and Aoko as characters then as they don't act remotely how they do in that series? Especially being able to be right next to each other in Extra? Okay then...
Ryougi could easily just... grow up and decide to become the head of her Clan because she ultimately just grew as a person. Next!
Honorable mentions of contradictions
Unified Language from KnK and Actress Again was rectonned out of existence because we can't have Servant level nigh-bricks be thrown into a Pre-Tower of Babel era where everyone speaks an abstract language that hypnotizes (warps/changes/alters) the records of all creation to varying degrees.
...Wut? I'm 100% sure that Mesopotamia, LB2, 5, 6, and 7 shits on that pretty hard that Unified Language somehow doesn't exist anymore...
This is dumber for the Servants because we already know The World gives the nitty gritty to Servants while they are being summoned so they can understand the languages of whereever they are no matter what(Or is Artoria Japanese or went to Japan when she was alive?)
Ryougi doesn't give a shit that Mikiya is dead due to Goetia and carries on just fine, all while saying Ritsuka reminds her of Mikiya, even though Ritsuka is a random normal selfish dude, while Mikiya's "normalcy" is so extreme that it veers into being extremely abnormal and unlike anyone else.
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Wut? My dude, Ryougi thinks she's
DREAMING because she was killed in the Incineration while she was asleep. And considering how absurd dreams can get in the Nasuverse(the entire point of Shimousa from Ritsuka's perspective is that it IS a dream ala The Matrix), her believing it's so is not suddenly inane that she's not thinking of the possibility that Mikiya is dead because she believes it will be fine when she wakes up(And hell, she's RIGHT considering when her Servant time is over, she'll wake up as if nothing happened)
Enuma Elish is now some weird brick beam thingy in Fate/GO that can be negated by armor with high enough stats.
Considering the level of Enuma Elish? You could always block it if you are that damn strong enough... but I don't know in any "canon" that outside of Enkidu's Enuma Elish and Artoria's Avalon who blocked it at full blast.
Living Gilgamesh went from destroying and recreating Gaia seven times with Enkidu while they were fighting in Strange Fake, to getting his ribs kicked in by some generic fodder enemy that normal Servants can fight.
...Huh?! Babylonia was BEFORE that scene in Strange Fake, you fucking dungus? And Gilgamesh was basically overreacting as it was a comedy skit, you moron! And let's be fucking real:
If you got kicked by this full blast while being tired and drained to shit by working day in and day out constantly and from summoning 7 Servants and the most you can do is bitch you couldn't flaunt your power and your abdominal muscles are torn? I would say you are perfectly FINE.
Living Gilgamesh went from being in the same speed range as BB, as he states his Mythology Mystic Code is something he had in life, with BB being part of the Moon Cell's core that can process Gaia's reality in a nanosecond. But in Fate/GO Kingu, who Gilgamesh states may surpass the original Enkidu, could only fly at 500 kilometers per hour, and could only achieve this speed due to a magical reactor amp.
For the last fucking time,
both the game and the anime all but state Kingu flying at all is what makes it as ridiculous as it is due to the magical energy signature making it too much for anyone but Divine Spirits and those that can fly naturally can do so.
The Anime makes it beyond explicit in that Romani is amazed in that the Magical Energy Concentration was why it was impressive Kingu can fly at all(In the same fashion Ritsuka needed to wear something to avoid literally exploding from the density of Magical Energy not being compatible with AoM humans).
What is part of the old canon in the Post-Fate/GO Era
Virtually nothing but Strange Fake, which started before GO and Extella is still continuing
No... no... no
Man, if this isn't the mic drop to show this shit is 100000000% unfettered ass, I don't know what is. For all the things I would ever say, stating the series that tends to pander to hell and back in terms of constant callbacks to the point Nasu had to literally enforce it into it's own timeline because Narita fucking forgot that Dead Apostle Ancestors don't exist in the Fate timeline amongst his massive wank for Alcides and Exiled Hassan is what's "part of the old canon"?! Yeah no, throw this shit out of here man.
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