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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever
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Randomdude
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Its not infinite though? A human can recover after breif exposure which implies an incredibly high input but not truly "Infinite" That or the author has some very strange ideas on how infinite information would affect a system. (Realsitically I suspect its another math aint mathing moment, infinite information being loaded into a human brain should entirely fry a brain instantly...because its infinite, time shouldnt' have any effect on the potency/lasting consquences of the technique)
What resistances to mental effects has infinite void overcome? Has it affected a creature completely lacking a brain and to what extent (I saw some discussion non normal physiology could effect it)? How does the fact it's made of cursed energy interact with negative energy?
There’s about a fraction of a second timeframe before your made numb by the information overlord at best
Ainz processes information like anything else, through his sight. Whatever equivalent of a brain he’s got should be no less different
You tell me how negative energy works in Overlord
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Im pretty sure a brain being stuffed with infinite information would just fry it, and time frame shouldn't affect it cause...you loaded infinite information. Its infinite, one second of it or a thousand hours should be fictionally the same...Cause infinite. Thing is a human was hit by it and recovered several months later iirc.
Technically he might process information in his soul? Its a bit strange to pin down, we know undead without souls become generally mindless/lose sapience but we're not entirely clear if the soul is necessary for sapience in overlord or not. I mean he's a talking skeleton Im not sure he's processing anything "Normally" at this point. He actually notes all his senses are vastly improved from his human life, he can see farther, entirely see through invisibility/illusions, hear farther, even smellis stronger, despite lacking all the neccessary organs. with the notable exceptions of taste/touch, one is gone, the other has become muted.
Ironically ainz himself sometimes ponders how anything about himself works, usually before brushing it aside as unimportant/magic that doesn't really matter.
What entities has infinite affected that lack brains?
Negative energy is anti life energy, created by death and sorrow that gives rise to evil entities like ghost, zombies, skeletons pretty much all undead. Negative energy is their essence, what fuels them in place of postive energy/vitality that fuels the living. Most undead natrually hate/despise the living as a consquence of this energy essentially being an opposing force to living. As you can imagine theres a lot of overlap with cursed energy, and in the thread it was stated they were equalized.
Thing is negative energy techniques/abilities/spells can't harm the undead, they simply absorb any negative energy they're hit by/attacked with and heal off it. Its not possible for negative energy to hurt an undead by overlords rules. Its like trying to hurt he ocean by throwing more water into it.
The way around this is dealing composite damage, but even then the negative energy portion will simply heal any undead hit by it.
Technically he might process information in his soul? Its a bit strange to pin down, we know undead without souls become generally mindless/lose sapience but we're not entirely clear if the soul is necessary for sapience in overlord or not. I mean he's a talking skeleton Im not sure he's processing anything "Normally" at this point. He actually notes all his senses are vastly improved from his human life, he can see farther, entirely see through invisibility/illusions, hear farther, even smellis stronger, despite lacking all the neccessary organs. with the notable exceptions of taste/touch, one is gone, the other has become muted.
Ironically ainz himself sometimes ponders how anything about himself works, usually before brushing it aside as unimportant/magic that doesn't really matter.
What entities has infinite affected that lack brains?
Negative energy is anti life energy, created by death and sorrow that gives rise to evil entities like ghost, zombies, skeletons pretty much all undead. Negative energy is their essence, what fuels them in place of postive energy/vitality that fuels the living. Most undead natrually hate/despise the living as a consquence of this energy essentially being an opposing force to living. As you can imagine theres a lot of overlap with cursed energy, and in the thread it was stated they were equalized.
Thing is negative energy techniques/abilities/spells can't harm the undead, they simply absorb any negative energy they're hit by/attacked with and heal off it. Its not possible for negative energy to hurt an undead by overlords rules. Its like trying to hurt he ocean by throwing more water into it.
The way around this is dealing composite damage, but even then the negative energy portion will simply heal any undead hit by it.
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Randomdude
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How does it target the information processing centor/input it into people? Like who has it affected with similar physiology and resistances as ainz?
I wouldn't be shocked if infinite void can but I'd like to know what feats it has for overcoming resistances and interacting with something that lacks a brain...
I wouldn't be shocked if infinite void can but I'd like to know what feats it has for overcoming resistances and interacting with something that lacks a brain...
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You...just had to ask?
It stops memory manipulation, creation, and erasure, (Notably this spell/effect can turn someone into a vegatable rather easily) his mind can't be read by doppelgangers/any other form of mind reading we're aware of. It blocks all domination, charm and emotional effects, it also blocks madness inducing effects such as insanity (An effect that drives a person insane and can only be broken by a mage/cleric healing you of the affliction) It blocks mind control as well, including mind control that explicitly bypasses immunities to mental effects.
Infinity does seem like its above a lot of this but has it ever encountered anything like ainz before is my main question?
You are the one claiming infinity will affect ainz regardless of his lack of brain and resistances/immunties. Ive simply asked why you think that is the case/what things infinity has worked on that are similar to ainz?
I really only have some very basic knowledge on jjk from threads so im not trying to offend you, Im genuinely asking because from other threads I got the sense infinite void has some issues with weird physiology, which definitely fits ainz with his complete lack of physical biological features outside his skeletal frame. Ainz is a walking pile of bones that couldn't tell you how he worked if you held a magical nuke to the side of his head.
It stops memory manipulation, creation, and erasure, (Notably this spell/effect can turn someone into a vegatable rather easily) his mind can't be read by doppelgangers/any other form of mind reading we're aware of. It blocks all domination, charm and emotional effects, it also blocks madness inducing effects such as insanity (An effect that drives a person insane and can only be broken by a mage/cleric healing you of the affliction) It blocks mind control as well, including mind control that explicitly bypasses immunities to mental effects.
Infinity does seem like its above a lot of this but has it ever encountered anything like ainz before is my main question?
You are the one claiming infinity will affect ainz regardless of his lack of brain and resistances/immunties. Ive simply asked why you think that is the case/what things infinity has worked on that are similar to ainz?
I really only have some very basic knowledge on jjk from threads so im not trying to offend you, Im genuinely asking because from other threads I got the sense infinite void has some issues with weird physiology, which definitely fits ainz with his complete lack of physical biological features outside his skeletal frame. Ainz is a walking pile of bones that couldn't tell you how he worked if you held a magical nuke to the side of his head.
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Ainz would still need feats of resisting information overload.
Also not having a brain isn't a problem, when Sukuna got hit with UV Gege in a chapter note said that UV is actually less effective against Curses because they don't have brains and shit, there are just masses of Cursed Energy.
This is why Jogo was pmuch fine after being hit with UV while Sukuna still sustained brain damage, but it doesn't change the fact that Jogo was unable to move or do anything while in UV, and him and the other curses, despite having resistance to it through there inhuman physiology, were paralyzed by only 0.2 seconds worth of UV for 299 seconds.
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It's not infinite, its 6 months' worth of info every 0.2 seconds, the thing is its constant, as long as you are standing in UV it's a sure-hit that will constantly be overloading your brain with info.
So again unless Ainz has
-feats against information overload
-or a feat of being able to process that much information
-or having something like relativistic reaction timing
He's gonna get stun locked till his mind pulls a Kars.
Also, Gojo can absolutely fry brains, Gojo had to limit his DE to 0.2 seconds because any longer would have detrimental effects against the civilians.
Sukuna had brain damage from over 10 seconds worth that couldn't be fixed even after incarnating, and that's while he had Mahoraga's adaptation, RCT, Megumi taking the sure-hit, and CE reinforcement.
I just find it more hilarious that the main argument was that Ainz didn't have a brain rather than anything else... I would have went full Spacebattles and state how would that matter if we want to go deep in how can Ainz hear, smell and touch shit?
Bro, he basically just murks the entire verse, goddamn!
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ainz himself has pondered on the nature of how he works, when taking a bath in volume eight iirc, he stares at the gaps between his fingers (Cause his bones don't perfectly touch/move without any real "connection" beyond them touching in areas) ponders how his body can possibly funciton...before deciding it was unimportant and obsessing over it wouldn't do anything.
I honestly got the sense ainz was partially speaking for the author there and just saying "Its magic don't think about it"
Though again it seems like undead might process things in their souls? atleast if you take the fact cure elims and evileyes sapience is directly tied to their souls to mean something.
Man I get what your saying.
But I've already explained how Gojo's information overload can work on things without brains.
Hell it canonically can work on souls because Sukuna's plan was to have Megumi's soul take UV so Mahoraga could adapt to it so...there's your example
Don't gotta make a long ass post for everything.
To add to this, if we assume that Ainz's brain/mind functions at the same speed he can move at, then he'll handle it better than a regular human would, but that doesn't mean he'll handle it great, at all. This isn't a situation like the dirty napkin maths I did for any character that was lightspeed or above, when faced with UV, which would be useless against them. Ainz is more around Gojo's speed, maybe a little faster, maybe a little slower, either way, he's around Gojo's ballpark, which puts him at genuine risk.
Just getting as basic as possible, lets assume Ainz's brain processes info 1000 times more than a regular human(speed like that for thought would actually put him generously above where we rate him in speed, so this is just for the sake of argument).
That means that for Ainz, with his perception of time, he'd be taking an initial brunt(assuming the 0.2 secs instead of 1, to be nice) of not 6 months, but instead, close to a fifth of a day.
Now, I don't know about you, but that's a massive leap up from, say, any semi-significant To-Aru character, Goku, whoever in the lightspeed and above category, who'd only end up taking an initial hit of like a small fraction of a second's worth, which is nothing. Almost a fifth of a day being auto-dumped, if not paralyzing Ainz like it did Jogo, will absolutely disorient him pretty bad, and if he doesn't act immediately with something that instantly shuts Gojo down, which isn't likely, he's screwed, as the overload only gets worse from that point on, until it eventually hits the point where his mind legit does just shut down altogether.
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Randomdude
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Was just pointing out overlord does lampshade the whole "how exactly can a walking talking skeleton function/think/exist" discussion and humorously has the perspective skeleton go "Eh doesn't matter". (This happens a few other times within the novels where the author seems to have just gone "Dont think about it") At that point it didn't really even relate to the discussion about infinite/jjk, rather it was focused on xhoms joke about bringing up the logic of a talking skeleton.
A fair point, my main thought was that infinite void might not be able to actually input info into ainz due to his resistance to mental effects inverse (pandora simply can't interact with/read ainz mind at all due to his immunity, and mental magic just fails to take hold/do anything to him, for example), but infinite void seems outside the scope of any overlord mental magic and it can affect souls which if we take evileye and cure elim as examples are how undead have sapience (though it might not be best to assume all undead fuctionin this way as cure elim and evileye aren't normal undead/vampires)
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Fei is too much and broken for Warhammer 40k to handle. The power of Zohar and the Wave Existence.
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I'm pretty sure even highballed 40K loses here
"Muh Infinite Power Horus" is what they be using on SB unironically
why's this significant, is that the meta in SB now? Something is either infinite or it's not? I guess that's internally consistent as a board-wide standard....but Horus fucking died so he obviously wouldn't be infinite by that definition either