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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever

I doubt it, to be honest. There are several instances where a projectile is fired at him and THEN he moved in response:
Doesn't really change my point though, because this still isn't a movement feat, and wouldn't really grant anyone involved MFTL speeds. At best, it would show that Touma can react to such speeds (after having gotten used to his opponent's patterns, mind you).

Also the fight makes literally no sense if Touma's just aim dodging (aka he's a snail from her perspective) while Othinus is seriously trying to hit him, especially given that she's shown the ability to change the trajectory of her attacks mid-flight.
C'mon now, you can't seriously think that Touma can move at MFTL speeds or anything close to that :classygio

She and Kamijou had to be the same. They were both pouring all their strength into defeating their opponent.
Kamachi always does this bs whenever he wants to hype up a bossfight that Touma's involved in, making it so that both he and his opponent are apparently going all out (see his fight against Alice). I just take those moments to involve some level of PIS and suspend disbelief, because how are you having Touma get repeatedly blitzed and killed by the likes of Aradia, then proceeding to claim that characters who outstat her by orders of magnitude can't tag him when they're apparently going all out. Lmao sure
 
Is Zommari becoming the new fucking Barragan with how much he gets wanked over here?
Hitsgaya gets blitzed and stabbed in the face.
Yes BASE Zommari is totally going to blitz him when RELEASED Harribel couldn't.

Now of course I'm not saying Zommari ISN'T faster because better Sonido, but unless you want to claim he can BLITZ Harribel (which mind you, they DO because they think Base Grimmjow is faster than her), he ain't blitzing shit.
There is no if, Zommari is way faster than Harribel. In the first place, she has no speed feats and Hitsugaya is slow as fuck.
I love how this is based on nothing but a complete refusal to powerscale speed even when it makes sense to do so.

There's absolutely no reason Harribel would be any slower than R1 Ulquiorra (who damn near blitzed Masked Ichigo) given neither are speedsters and she's his superior outright. Hell we KNOW Ulquiorra's specialty is his regen, which he has because he specifically chose NOT to give it up in favor of more power (implying others like Harribel DID).

So even if you want to say Zommari is faster, prove he can blitz someone who can themselves basically blitz Ulquiorra fight Masked Bankai Ichigo. :maybe
Speed ≠ strength. So, no, he obviously wouldn't be.
It is in this universe as much as these idiots want to deny it because "hurr durr Yammy".
Which ignores the fact Yammy was able to tag and damage Byakuya where Zommari wasn't. :kobeha

Even the fact Byakuya has blatantly better speed feats than Soi Fon (despite her being FAR more speed focused in her tool kit than him) should be enough to tell these idiots that ultimately, the stronger person is almost always faster as well. But nah, they want to act like Byakuya's a speedster and not a jack of all trades which is what he actually is.
TJ itself is prep.
No it isn't, Toshiro literally could have done it at any time, he held off on it specifically so as not to kill his own allies with it.
Since when did he activate bankai immediately into a fight with the espada?
Since when was Zommari fast enough to prevent him from activating Bankai?
Yeaaaaah if you can beat Shunsui, you totally arent losing or getting injured by Nanao or something.
I mean you actually aren't...provided you're not a God or have any kind of Divine powers. :whatisthis

Nanao's sword is so fucking specific in terms of what it works on that yes, there are several characters that can beat Shunsui that Nanao could do nothing against.
You can say this but it would be a strawman. Soi fon is neither the fastest captain nor espada, nor can Zommari blitz all his peers.
The only one he can even debatably blitz would be Szayel and Arroneirro.
Because if he could blitz his superiors then he wouldn't be ranked below them dipshit.
Hitsugaya though? Definitely gets overwhelmed.
He doesn't though, his AOE renders the speed difference basically moot and Hundred Flowers one-shots his ass.
No Espada short of Barragan is beating this version of Hitsugaya.
Hitsugaya’s speed is below Base Yammy’s.
  • Easily reacted to Released Luppi's first attack.
  • Easily kept pace with Released Harribel, dodging her shit at point-blank.
  • Below Base Yammy for speed.
One of these things is NOT like the others. :jordangif
 
Brother, ive told you before to stop telling people to go make the threads in the verses section
Did you think i told you that for no reason?
:heston

we keep all our stupid arguments here in the stupid arguments thread.

I swear sometimes yall are goofy as shit
idk I think he has a point

why are we a VS community if 90% of the debating is in this one several hundred page thread. It should be in actual matchups
 
idk I think he has a point

why are we a VS community if 90% of the debating is in this one several hundred page thread. It should be in actual matchups
He doesnt have a point. He knows why the matchup was banned, and even when I let it slide, the reason why its banned keeps popping up so yeah.

90% of the debating doesnt take place here unless you believe Nasuverse and To Aru is 90% of the debating
 
But you know what, I'll lift the restriction. If I have to ban it again though, Im gonna hold yall niggas responsible
 
But you know what, I'll lift the restriction. If I have to ban it again though, Im gonna hold yall niggas responsible
I made several threads with Othinus (I didn't know she was banned though ) only one of them really became a shitstorm iirc

idk man our VS section rolling tumbleweeds rn we all posted up in here I'm just saying it can use the activity
 
I made several threads with Othinus (I didn't know she was banned though ) only one of them really became a shitstorm iirc

idk man our VS section rolling tumbleweeds rn we all posted up in here I'm just saying it can use the activity
Alot of the threads on the front page get views, the issue is that people just dont feel like debating. I cant force them to

and if all our activity is going to come from on specific verse and only because people use the same 5 characters over and over, then maybe we just shouldnt debate
 
I made several threads with Othinus (I didn't know she was banned though ) only one of them really became a shitstorm iirc

idk man our VS section rolling tumbleweeds rn we all posted up in here I'm just saying it can use the activity

My dude, if you have people constantly stonewall debates over and over again, that's not giving activity, that's basically the opposite of that.
It's like thinking Artist is a good debater because he can keep going insane in a VS. thread is supposed to prove anything.
 
Also what the fuck man

Why yall always got complaints when im around but never when Blade or Nihilus around
:heston
 
artist doesn’t actually argue anything or say anything coherent. I know the toaru threads can go in circles but they’re actually posting relevant shit to their series. Artist literally spouts absolute gibberish for pges
 
Can the version of Yggdrasil in Data Squad even do that to begin with?
Yggdrasil is the same one in every iteration cause is the main computer of the DW, the events of Saver also triggered a total shutdown of every Yggdrasil avatar in the Digimonverse till his awakening during the events of Lament of X in World Re Digitize Decode.

For the midnfuck, Digisoul users can resist that like Thoma overcoming Metal Fantomon mindfuck and soulfuck of his Grave Scream using his Digisoul. There are other examples like Masaru freeing of Algomon mindfuck that put on sleep every human to help Agumon in the Bust Evolution movie.

Like if it's just reality warping with another flavor then Masaru literally doesn't care. Dude can override the laws of the Digital World because "fuck you punch harder"
Well, outside of the meme of Masaru punching things that aren't supposed to be punched.

Is because his Digisoul, the same reason that Agumon burst mode using Masaru and his Digisoul can ignore Yggdrasil 7D6 avatar immortality that previously regenerate after the combine attack of all the 4 ultimate/mega digimon of Dats in burst mode and Burst Mode Digimon like Shinegreymon Burst Mode can truly destroy a Demon Lord like Belphemon Rage Mode.

And other instance like when him and Shinegreymon Bust Mode fight Belphemon Rage Mode doesn't be affected by his roar or the fact that after eat the time-space bomb every attack of him can break the reality into a super-dimensional scale(and cause all the mess of the Royal Knight arc).

Alot of the threads on the front page get views, the issue is that people just dont feel like debating. I cant force them to

and if all our activity is going to come from on specific verse and only because people use the same 5 characters over and over, then maybe we just shouldnt debate
Well, i don't think ban the character is a real "solution" to that, cuz with those characters someone can had proper VS discussions, like by that logic characters like Lucifer Morningstar, Demifiend, Beyonder, etc. Had a similar problem that is a battle of my infinite vs your infinite and not a "proper debate" following the same line of thought.

But if both parties doesn't want to had a proper discussion, is more fault of them than the use of X or Y character.
 
Doesn't really change my point though, because this still isn't a movement feat, and wouldn't really grant anyone involved MFTL speeds. At best, it would show that Touma can react to such speeds (after having gotten used to his opponent's patterns, mind you).


C'mon now, you can't seriously think that Touma can move at MFTL speeds or anything close to that :classygio


Kamachi always does this bs whenever he wants to hype up a bossfight that Touma's involved in, making it so that both he and his opponent are apparently going all out (see his fight against Alice). I just take those moments to involve some level of PIS and suspend disbelief, because how are you having Touma get repeatedly blitzed and killed by the likes of Aradia, then proceeding to claim that characters who outstat her by orders of magnitude can't tag him when they're apparently going all out. Lmao sure
How is moving and intercepting an attack after it's fired not a movement feat? He jumps around that shit like he's in a jungle gym.
And you're saying no one scales to Othinus' attacks? Not even herself? 🤨

He literally does in NT9 several times, and when he intercepts Flaming;Sword in NT22.
He moves his arm (or entire body and jumps over it) after the attack is fired in both scenarios.

..because Touma's capabilities can vary or get rapidly improved, as shown in his fight against Othinus? And shown in his fight against CRC, where he explicitly grew to his level?



How do you think he gets shit on by normal military dudes in early NT when he reacts to Misaka's explicitly lightspeed lightning several times even early in OT?

There's a canon explanation for this inconsistency (his desire to stay "normal").

Also, it wasn't a repeat occurrence. Aradia only killed him once when he was off guard.
 
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I mean be fr

Touma says "lol I'm a normal guy" and then blatantly does stuff that a normal guy can't do in every volume

but you draw the line at him blatantly being untouchable to someone like Othinus after he gains a bunch of combat experience
 
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