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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever

King said:
Seth already linked it above
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Talking about the other times you did it, not just this time.

Tablos said:
@Xhominid The Apex SB spergs still don´t understand that Artoria scales from all her knights (minus Galahad)
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Because as I stated before, SB wants their cake and eat it too despite how absolutely retarded the logic is that Artoria somehow doesn't scale to her Knights... despite in every other media that features her and her Knights, she utterly scales above them.
Lancelot thought she wasn't shit but hot air in Garden of Avalon but is absolutely impressed when she annihilates an entire enemy army alone to the point of immediately joining her cause on the spot. Garden of Avalon then has her be able to fight Vortigern after he drunk from the White Dragon's Blood alone despite a single attack wiped out not only the entire army she brought along but GAWAIN AS WELL.
The same Gawain who literally outright told Mordred if that she didn't catch him while he was weakened after Lancelot, he would have handed her ass on a silver platter. If Artoria was weaker than any of her Knights, then they would not have joined her cause not even for a second.

EDIT: Hell, we even see their direct confrontation in Apocrypha, the Apocrypha LN and Garden of Avalon and how it plays out;
Artoria utterly bumrushes Mordred and she dies and Morgan's Curse activates and has Mordred's dead body mortally wound Artoria. That's literally how it's gonna play out in any VS. debate featuring the two except Artoria will survive longer than Mordred would.
 

Mask vs Yushiro

Scenario 1: Base Mask (max cheers) Scenario 2: VS Mask No knowledge 50 meters apart In character mindset Location is Silbern
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People saying Mask beats Yushiro...the guy who almost killed Base Askin? :whatisthis

They're sitting acting like Yushiro wouldn't be able to work out that he needs to kill James, or that Mask wouldn't make the same mistake he did against Renji and nuke James himself while trying and failing to kill Yushiro.

Oh but I forget that Yushiro is a "glass cannon" because he went down to a couple of arrows...from an ELITE. :facepalm
 
Interesting. Everyone is arguing Naruto can’t get past Limitless

Yet Naruto is leading Gojo in the Polls on who wins 9 to 1

OT: Think even Naruto’s first incomplete Rasenshuriken’s got greater yield than Hollow Purple, so even Base Early Shippuden Naruto’s got the firepower to punch right through Limitless
 
Even before the off-panel, anti-climax way Gojo bought it, Gojo vs Sukuna really ruined how previously haxed Gojo was considered when just the chapter before it showed that yes, raw dakka works just fine too
 
Astaro said:
Even before the off-panel, anti-climax way Gojo bought it, Gojo vs Sukuna really ruined how previously haxed Gojo was considered when just the chapter before it showed that yes, raw dakka works just fine too
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you know that meme of naruto trying to talk to kid buu before getting nuked?

replace it with naruto and gojo and you'll have this fight
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LeonLex said:
People wank hate Gojo enough to put him against Naruto. Even if it's manga feats, that's still too much.
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Because they act like Infinity/Limitless is capable of overcoming far more than it ever should... because people lack basic reading comprehension anymore and cannot tell that Limitless works on Gojo's brain functions and like we have seen even in JJK, can be overpowered if strong enough(Jogo and Hanami damn near did so if they was on Gojo's level) or you can move faster than Gojo's mental faculties... which is extremely easy as he's just Mach 3+)
 
Astaro said:
OT: Think even Naruto’s first incomplete Rasenshuriken’s got greater yield than Hollow Purple, so even Base Early Shippuden Naruto’s got the firepower to punch right through Limitless
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It does. Hollow Purple 200% grievously wounded Gojo and the most Chaostheory got was subkilotons or Town level... which fits considering the strongest attacks in JJK are basically around that level and never go much further even in terms of yield.
 
didn't Gojo only get hit by his own technique/cursed energy

there's a very reasonable explanation to explain that beyond "oh it just doesn't work the way people thought it did and it's more or less a typical forcefield"
 
Round one: Mordred probably wins or it's a mutual kill
Round two: It's a mutual kill.
Round three: Very likely Artoria wins or it's a mutual kill.

That last part is mostly there because on Camlann in particular legend reenactment would be at its strongest so it might overcome the difference in situation due to Avalon's presence.
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The rounds?
r1) no noble phantasms
r2) standard noble phantasms
r3) artoria gets avalon and rhongomyniad, mordred gets prydwen I guess.
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I knew this was terrible the second the thread popped in here... but again, I'm always gobsmacked when Siriel lies so fucking blatantly as this gets so much worse...
FYI, Mordred would only ever get mutual kills on Artoria at best due to her legend having her "live" long enough to deal Artoria a mortal wound and die... and Artoria would outlast her anyway before she dies.

Neither of those are true. Canon never speaks on which is overall more skilled, and Mordred is explicitly above Artoria in terms of physical strength. (Higher baseline due to having innate Servant strength, and then B+ is higher than A when using Mana Burst.)
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I love how people continually say this as if it's canon despite they completely missed that Artoria was under the Counter Guardian Contract and it obviously doesn't apply post-Fate/Stay Night anymore...
That's literally what Fate/Stay Night used as the basis of why Artoria couldn't go into spirit form or why she was limited to what she gained as a Servant. It obviously does not apply anymore and yet according to Spacebattles... it still does despite not applying to anyone else including to child Servants weaker than her like Jack The Bloody Ripper.

What canon is super clear on is that they're evenly matched in a 1v1.
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No... they are not:
Mordred consistently loses to Gawain at night, and Gawain at day is three times stronger than he is at night. Only during the day is he equal to Artoria.

Mordred, as stated in Apocrypha side materials, is weaker than Artoria physically.
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Even worse is that Artoria is canonically STRONGER than Gawain according to Garden of Avalon with her battle with Vortigern:
I don't understand why Siriel continues to so blatantly lie his ass off over Mordred's capabilities despite Mordred can barely equal Artoria even in Apocrypha:


She was only able to knock Excalibur away from Artoria who was ALSO EXHAUSTED through her own constant fighting and then blitzed the shit out of Mordred with Rhongomyniad(or if you go with Garden of Avalon, Mordred didn't even do that and Artoria just blitzed her with Rhongomyniad from the start). They are not even remotely equals.

Since Artoria has better Noble Phantasms, removing them results in a relative boost to Mordred. Unless one rules that removing Secret of Pedigree removes her armor entirely, in which case it's probably a wash.
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I see Siriel completely forgot how Mana Burst works and the Armor both Mordred and Artoria have on is precisely that meaning it's literally either having some defense or going full auto on offense... only Mordred's Helmet is the only actual piece of armor she has.

Edit: To be clear I'm assuming that "No Noble Phantasms" means that they're fighting with generic very durable swords. If they're stuck fighting unarmed or with regular swords (that would break to Mana Burst) then Mordred wins unless their legend twists reality into a pretzel to force them both to die.
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Why the fuck would anyone say that?! To most normal people, it would just be no True Name Releases... but this is Spacebattles, so I have to remember that must be what Siriel meant.
 

You don't get how big the Tower Gaban destroyed is

This is a huge castle this is that huge castle in the background behind an even larger giant tree that giant tree is so large that humans who live in a town a fair distance away with it's own large buildings and architecture belive it's the great tree Yggdrasil, one so big that if it...
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The year is 2025. We still think Pica is mountain level.

God, I understand not everyone is into the hobby. I get it, but to look at Pica and go "Yeah" mountain level, is just hilarious to me.
 
Paxton said:
didn't Gojo only get hit by his own technique/cursed energy

there's a very reasonable explanation to explain that beyond "oh it just doesn't work the way people thought it did and it's more or less a typical forcefield"
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Yeah, Gojo did get hit by his own Technique/Cursed Energy... except that still doesn't gel at all with how Limitless works because that never happened to Gojo before nor did Gojo ever make note he can be hurt by his own Techniques...
You are just doing the opposite of making up headcanon because yes, Limitless IS just a typical Force Field with how many times Gege literally goes against what it's supposed to be(Folding of Infinite Space between himself and his target) and just treats it as a forcefield(When he's able to slam characters into paste with Limitless despite that being impossible for creating Infinite Space even when he's pushing a character into the wall).

Then he's wrong. If it actually takes time to defeat her, then that line about defeating Mordred easily can't be true.

Again, Karna would have just done it himself if it was so easy.
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Again, it's literally 0 or 100 to these people, the manga of Fate/Apocrypha(Because Mordred never fights Karna at all in the Anime or LN to my knowledge) has Karna and Mordred spar a bit, it must mean Karna was at full blast and Mordred even surviving is a feat for her and against Artoria... despite the fact Karna was never canonically at full blast in that scene because we have seen against Sieg how far that goes.
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Like seriously, the fuck is this? It's even funnier as Gawain tends to do decently well against Karna even without Numerals and that's still Karna on E many, many times and Sieg needed Siegfried's abilities(and still couldn't use them to Siegfried's full capacity) to even stand a chance against Karna and full blast and still nearly lost. Mordred's just dead.

There's not a single feat for Artoria's no mana burst strength. Apo Material's statement of Mana Burst allowing her to fight evenly isn't talking about that.
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When you literally continually use F/SN where Artoria is gimped due to her Contract, that's definitely the major problem when no other Servant including her suffers from that, not even the weakest Servants like Cursed Arm or her own brethren.

So nothing about numerals, then?

Do you think Lancelot is stronger than numerals Gawain too?
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...Do people act as if this:

Isn't counting for Gawain's Numerals like it never existed until after he became a Servant?


Like holy shit, I know Reading Comprehension has been becoming a lost art but so has the concept of critical thinking? Then fuck it, let's not take any comparisons at all seriously unless it does the full complete deep dive into everything that person has then! It's obvious what the passage is saying and you still have people stupid enough to not only not even grasp the obvious but then make up the most obvious lies ever on top of that.
Also, Summer 4 has Numerals Gawain as an obstacle and Moriarty's plan in dealing with him... was Arthur Pendragon, a Holy Sword User...
And that was to get to Lancer Artoria who is still stronger than Numerals Gawain, let alone Saber Artoria...

I like when people just use canon for their own whims and then lie about it full blast.
 
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