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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever

shiny said:

Hello RS with goddes Rhongomyniad. Hello One Bellow All with Cure Elim = Card Captor Sakura...
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Really weird to shit on Clow Cards like that considering... they precisely work as advertised and the manga makes them very, very much that and it's why the creator of the cards, Clow Reed, is an absolute unit.
Kinda ridiculous to not even do the most basic research before going "Nah, Cure Elim can somehow rival Clow Cards" with no real explanation as to how that's the case.

Also, I can understand it's dumb to say Goddess Rhongomyniad but hey, it's better than pretending she can't and you need someone "even stronger" like they try and wank Overlord about so... kudos?
 

It's weirder because if Spacebattles actually tried, GENUINELY tried, they don't need to do any of this because Tohru and Elma potentially can defeat them due to the fact that Lucoa is genuinely Quetzalcoatl and everything the Aztec God did is everything she did and Tohru explicitly rampaged so hard, only a god took her down and didn't even kill her(which lead to the entire series happening).
 
Masterblack06 said:
reminds me of when someone said that air resistance doesnt exist in overlord
but niggas were still trying to do calcs for shit that need air resistance
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Its worthy of note the actual qoute for air resistance not existing is weird, in that ainz notes it specifically doesn't exist for items in free fall, there are a few instances where it does seem to be present. Most notably off the top of my head, when ainz kicks at an adventurer his foot moves fast enough to produce a vacuum that slices the hair from the adventurers head. This isn't just flowery language as it has a physical effect on the world, so ainz is able to push against and displace air to the degree it can slice through hair, which wouldn't be possible if air resistance simply didn't exist at all.

My suspicion from reading overlord is rather then not existing at all air resistance is subject to the author wanting it to work/ruling it to work. It specifically reminds me of overlords take on freedom of movement.

If you don't know in overlord freedom of movement was redubbed movement restriction resistance, except now it applies universally to any source of restraint, up to and including being buried alive, paralyzed, petrified, wrapped in a net, or grappled. With each effect resulting in the resistance doing something completely different in order for you to no longer be "restrained". (You turn intangible if wrapped in a net/grappled, the stone can't take effect if petrified, parylsis doesn't trigger, and your seemingly teleported out of the ground if buried alive all of these are passive effects because according to the resistance your not allowed to be restrained. It also keeps you balanced on icy/unevent terrain but that ones somewhat normal)

Also apparently high level stealth characters can passively turn pseudo invisible (described as appearing like a rock in your peripheral vision/a rustle of leafs ect), but ainz arcane vision/perception bypasses this non magical stealth ability, which is just a weird thing that randomly pops up in volume 15.
 
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You know I heard that and I wonder how the hell is that possible when no one else in Overlord even remotely moves that fast nor is Ainz that physically strong even when he players a physical adventurer.
Like it's not that huge of a feat anyway but I think that was the feat that SB Overlord fanboys tried to get around Mach 250+ because they don't know how air pressure works.
 
A few characters move pretty fast, off the top of my head the level thirty death warrior can slice a hail of gun fire out of the air, and zesshi the level eighty fighter/inquistior build is explicitly faster then sound (Described as leaving sound behind her or other such nonsense)

I agree it's probably not a huge feat (Im not a math guy) Im just mentioning it because it's a pretty explicit case where air resistance exist.

Eh, AInz is physically strong enough to throw a dragon corpse with zero buffs, and based on the size of the dragon corpse he could probably juggle elephants. Its rather stupid but overlord leaned heavily into every stat raising exponentially per level idea, so ainz shit teir physicals as a mage are enough for him to just throw several tons with casual ease. Like his health stat is really low as a squishy mage, but its still enough to physically beat level fourty warriors to death with his bare hands, because the hp value is still that of a level 100.
 

Like they are feats... but the machine gun one is explicitly subsonic and the latter is just Mach 1 unless we get more details on it.
Ainz tossing around a Dragon Corpse could be something if we can actually get how big the Dragon is but even then...
 
Xhominid The Apex said:
Like they are feats... but the machine gun one is explicitly subsonic and the latter is just Mach 1 unless we get more details on it.
Ainz tossing around a Dragon Corpse could be something if we can actually get how big the Dragon is but even then...
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How did we get subsonic machine gun fire? It's a heavy machine gun and over eight feet tall, The bullets as described are about the size of auto cannons, Id expect to at least get some super sonic values.

Zesshi is more fair, but again she's a level eighty with a pretty crap build, mare dominated her the entire fight, so atleast you can say most physical fighters are faster then her.

The dragon corpse is tough but it was the older brother of himjall meaning it was the largest after the frost dragon lord himself. In the anime it should be the gray scaled dragon, they just cut ainz hucking the thing through a portal to nazarick.

The thing is ainz was in his full mage armor, and used zero buffing/physical abilities, its just the stupid scaling of overlord allows him to have stupid strength values despite putting no points towards it.
 
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Oh yeah they finally have a high quality shot of nuclear blast, not sure if it's worth anything (not a math person) but it looks pretty cool

(http://imgur.com/a/fBmW9Sz)
I suspect this is where the animation budget went, cause the rest of the movie isn't...great with how much it cuts/skips/shows. Im rather surprised they didn't make it a mushroom cloud, while its not described as such in the light novel I felt it was a safe bet with its name and the liberties the anime takes.
 
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Randomdude said:
How did we get subsonic machine gun fire? It's a heavy machine gun and over eight feet tall, The bullets as described are about the size of auto cannons, Id expect to at least get some super sonic values.
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Because it being the size of an autocannon doesn't mean anything if it's also an HMG? You are confusing both of them of you think that makes it shoot even faster. All it would mean is that it's rate of fire would be similar to a HMG which again have massively varied rates of fire but it would still probably just be around Mach and you dont' need to be as fast to deal with the bullets before they hit you.


Yeah that is genuinely ass, basically an MCB and that's being pretty generous considering we know Overlord's town where that feat is not remotely that big(as I do know the context of that feat).
 
Don't you need to be close to as fast as the bullets to parry a hail of bullets, it's not like the unded was aim dodging/dodging them, it cut them out of the air before being overwhelmed by the rate of fire.

TBF overlord cities are built really, really weirdly. The sizes and population densisities don't make a lot of sense. Erantel can hold eight precent of the entire population of restize in it's outer wall with zero issues, despite a fourth of that area being taken up by a gravyard, and it's mentioned its only unusual to have that many people in a single ring, implying on a normal day they have that many people. Its also not the largest city in erantel, I once went through and tried to figure out the precentage of people in cities and it seems like nearly thirty precent of the pop are in the cities...Which seems incredibly off for a medieval society.

Like I don't remember us ever getting any word on the actual size of the city beyond its population, it was also a small city rather then a town iirc.
 
Randomdude said:
Don't you need to be close to as fast to parry a hail of bullets, it's not like the unded was aim dodging/dodging, it cut them out of the air.
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No, my point is that it doesn't need to be close but it needs to do more than just cut them after they was fired to be as fast as the bullet itself or else you are just moving as fast as the bullet itself at the most.
This is also the same metric of why we don't just say someone is Lightspeed because they can dodge lasers and they are sub-relativistic until we get more proof on how those lasers work, same with the bullets.


Again, that feels more like the Author not really trying at all so again, it's just another in a long line of reasons why Overlord is a bitch to use in VS. battles and get the real short end of the stick(Same with JJK... and speaking of, SB's "How does Sukuna fare in MHA" thread is some absolute ass which I will get into later.
 
I mean if someone cuts a hail of bullets out of the air Ill assume they're pretty close to the speed of a bullet but maybe Im just not getting it.

Laser feats usuall get thrown out for aim dodging don't they or not being real laser? Which isn't really what happened with the level thirty undead. I suppose we don't know the actual speed of the bullets though, is there an average for heavy machine guns or is it to variable by design/bullets?

Yeah and if you confronted the author with the bizzare size of the cities/population densities I know he'd just say "Magic" As thats literally the answer ainz comes up with in volume 2, where he concludes the world might as well be a modern one thanks to magic. Overlord is a midevil fantasy until you walk into someones kitchen, see their crystal lamp that just so happens to look like a modern light, their modern refrigerator, and modern sink. (ITs got some stuff in common with rpg maker games in that regard)

Like with the small city that blast happens in. It's a city meant to hold 20,000 people/that was it's population, yet when it gains a population of 150,000 the only issues encountered are food and plumbing/sewers. When you'd really expect a city built by pseudo midevil peasants to struggle to house this many people, but they don't nobodies stuck in the streets/tents they're just...Somehow all able to fit in a city designed for a population nearly eight times smaller then them. And the city is described as large for the region.
 
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Randomdude said:
I mean if someone cuts a hail of bullets out of the air Ill assume they're pretty close to the speed of a bullet but maybe Im just not getting it
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No, deflecting bullets always means you're slower than the said bullets.

Think about it this way- if the gunman is ten meters away from you and you want to deflect a bullet from his gun, then you don't have to be nearly as fast as the bullet itself to do the feat- you can do that even if you're ten times slower, considering the bullet has to travel ten meters to reach you when your arm only has to move a single meter.

Think of it this way, speed is equal to distance divided by time- the distance that a bullet has to travel to reach you is vastly greater than the distance you have to move your arm to catch or deflect it, meaning dodging bullets is always going to be subsonic if done from a distance. The only bullet timing feats that should yield supersonic results are the ones where said bullets are inches away from the torso and the arm is not in motion yet.

Moreover, dodging multiple bullets is the single worthless feat in fiction- most people don't realize it but guns don't blast out bullets constantly without lag since there's a thing known as firing rate. Let's just say that your average machine gun has a firing rate of 500 per minute, which means it shoots a bullet every 0.12 seconds. For a superhuman character capable of deflecting bullets, this time gap is so large that he can actually place his arm back in the original position and do the same feat again with plenty of time remaining

Meaning, if you can deflect a single bullet- you can deflect any number of bullets without any increase in speed since the firing rate gives enough time lag between shoots to reset the body positions.
 
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Astaro said:
Holy shit, make a Vs thread at this point

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I mean tbf we're not really discussing overlord vs anything just highlighting some of the oddities with the series/asking for clarification, unless your reffering to xhom wanting to do jjk against mha, in which case fair.

Darth Zion said:
Meaning, if you can deflect a single bullet- you can deflect any number of bullets without any increase in speed since the firing rate gives enough time lag between shoots to reset the body positions.
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Fair enough.

Huh the guys over on space battle are getting...Kinda wild about the nuclear blast scenes crater, wonder how exaggerated they're going to get the calcs...
 
Randomdude said:
Huh the guys over on space battle are getting...Kinda wild about the nuclear blast scenes crater, wonder how exaggerated they're going to get the calcs...
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Depends on how much they like Overlord.

The size of the town does not matter here- we see that around twenty medieval houses completely encircle the crater, and a pixel scaler should be able to get its diameter from comparing it with the height of these houses. But eyeballing it, it's weaker than any known nuke and stronger than an artillery shot.

The feat can be wanked depending if they go for complete vaporization or fragmentation.
 
Looks like they're going for vaporization and apparently they're pixel scaling got it to fourty meters deep? IDK Math

I kinda get why they'd go with vaporization even in the novel it's kinda described as it just erasing things in a flash of light but Im not sure I like the logic of it since it's very explicitly magical nonsense. It causes blindness deafness and a poison aoe effect cause...Thats what nukes do so magic spell does it to.


Thread for anyone curious

Also looking at the scenes they're using the number of houses seems to change based on the zoom, in the zoomed in segment it looks like there are suddenly twenty houses on just one segment of the crater. Guessing the artist weren't concerned about consistency between
scenes, they'll probably use the larger one to wank it higher.

Weirdly nearly every house in the movie is two story or higher, makes me wonder if the author was like "Wait make all the houses big,"
 
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Randomdude said:
Looks like they're going for vaporization and apparently they're pixel scaling got it to fourty meters deep? IDK Math
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I don't see a problem with their pixel scaling.

If they're going for vaporization, then the yield should be in double to triple digit kilotons which is about as strong as a weak nuke, so it oddly fits the theme and the scale.
 
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