Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever

[Darth Zion]

This shit stemed from people on tiktok thinking that in a 1v1 a man can easily handle ANY breed of dog barehanded. You underestimated just how stupid these niggas really are

Yeah no, I knew a local uncle who was killed by a monkey recently- the kind that's smaller than a dog. Pretty fit and athletic guy, did not know MMA but did wrestling. He even used to go hunting.

Like the kind of guy TikTok idiots would least expect to die to an animal smaller than a pomeranian.

Meanwhile the range for evolutions is weeks in a lab to millions of years

That's generally for microorganisms, even then it takes years before the natural selection kicks in and the mutation becomes the norm for the entire species rather than an exception of the gene pool.

 

[NostalgiaFan]

Very rarely did actual hunters make use of such traps, like pushing mammoths from mountain edges by tricking them into corners or making them fall into already dug ditches is just a modern glorification of human intelligence.

Based on what? We are talking about unarmed humans so you are going to need more evidence to provide in cases where they were not armed that they were capable of taking on mammoths without said tools and weapons.

The chances of animals falling for that was very low, making it an inefficient method to hunt. Ancient humans did not have the commodity of failure, people starved when hunts went unsuccessful so almost nobody took the risk of the animal taking a wrong turn or detecting the trap. They used more successful methods, which involved hunting them for days and killing them when they dropped from exhaustion.

Okay and? What does any of this have to do with us taking on an elephant unarmed in a straight up fight?

The chances of that failing were pretty low. The chances of the animal taking a wrong turn during the chase and missing the trap entirely is pretty high in comparison.

Once again, what does any of this have to do with fighting an elephant with our bare hands? Whatever "Evidence" you have to say we did not use traps seems just as unlikely there is evidence they did so with their bare hands. Despite how much you imply it, Sticks and Stones are in fact, a huge factor for why we hunted so may species to extinction, regardless of how primitive said weaponry was. Where would we be able to do this now unarmed against an elephant?

 

[Darth Zion]

What does any of this have to do with us taking on an elephant unarmed in a straight up fight?

You claimed-

The only way a hundred humans can possibly beat an elephant with their bare hands is if it's a very sick and nearly dying elephant, they use the landscape to trick it into a ditch or cliff

My response is to show that has not worked well historically. So normal humans are not gonna throw an elephant down a cliff when experienced hunters couldn't.

 

[Darth Zion]

Despite how much you imply it, Sticks and Stones are in fact, a huge factor for why we hunted so may species to extinction

My man, my argument from the very beginning has been that the only way a hundred humans win against an elephant is by retreating and forging spears and stones to use as weapons.

As humans in character would. Like read properly what I'm saying

 

[Masterblack06]

Yeah no, I knew a local uncle who was killed by a monkey recently- the kind that's smaller than a dog. Pretty fit and athletic guy, did not know MMA but did wrestling. He even used to go hunting.

Like I said these people are straight clowns man. They think they can take down tibetan mastiffs by "beliving in themselves hard enough" and "adrenaline can let you do anything"

That's generally for microorganisms, even then it takes years before the natural selection kicks in and the mutation becomes the norm for the entire species rather than an exception of the gene pool.

i mean wolves to dogs took 10-15k years
most domesticated livestock took around 10k
rabbits are probably the quickest mammals at 50-60 years

Like its not hard to believe humans were able to do it within 14k years

 

[NostalgiaFan]

You claimed-

My response is to show that has not worked well historically.

Your response has nothing to do with my quote, I said the ONLY ways a hundred humans (who are unarmed as was said in that thread by Xcanto) can kill an elephant is by said three ways, not that it's how we did it historically, because we obviously did it with sticks and stones since our ancestors were not idiots otherwise we would have gone extinct.

 

[NostalgiaFan]

My man, my argument from the very beginning has been that the only way a hundred humans win against an elephant is by retreating and forging spears and stones to use as weapons.

As humans in character would.

My man, learn to read before you respond to a post because my point has been the only way UNARMED Humans can beat an elephant is by either taking on a sick/dying one, trapping and tricking it, or just go full on banzai charge and hope the numbers finally does it in and even than it is unlikely if the Elephant in question is bloodlusted or not. If you are adding weapons, you changed the whole main topic.

 

[OtherGalaxy]

 

[Darth Zion]

If you are adding weapons, you changed the whole main topic.

I'm not interested in going back and forth with you on a topic we pretty much agree on except for semantics then.

The humans start unarmed, there's no rule saying they can't retreat and make some tools for themselves. That's one of the most important factors why we dominate the planet as a species, I see no reason to discount that.

If you mean the humans act stupid and just charge the elephant or that they can't make new tools and just pick up some rocks, then I've already said they lose.

 

[grillmaster]

they were within AOE range of the raid boss. theyre finished.

 

[Darth Zion]

Like its not hard to believe humans were able to do it within 14k years

It's not hard to believe per say, but studies show otherwise-

Homo sapiens – modern humans

All people living today belong to the species Homo sapiens. We evolved only relatively recently but with complex culture and technology have been able to spread throughout the world and occupy a range of different environments.

australian.museum

We're on the same evolutionary stage as we were twenty thousand years ago. That being said, let's just agree to disagree on this.

 

[Paxton]

those two guys hold on paws that can decapitate a moose:

in all seriousness, when has this ever happened

this seems no different than people exaggerating an average chimp's strength

 

[OtherGalaxy]

Pax has Jupiter’s Claim stock he’s trying to flip don’t fall for his anti Chimpanzee propaganda

 

[NostalgiaFan]

I'm not interested in going back and forth with you on a topic we pretty much agree on except for semantics then.

Then don't bother adding to it in the first place when it was unnecessary to begin with.

The humans start unarmed, there's no rule saying they can't retreat and make some tools for themselves. That's one of the most important factors why we dominate the planet as a species, I see no reason to discount that.

The comment Xcanto made was specifying unarmed, that's what I was referring to. You are the one being semantic here and arguing a point I never made.

If you mean the humans act stupid and just charge the elephant or that they can't make new tools and just pick up some rocks, then I've already said they lose.

Then don't waste my time arguing with me over a comment on a statement where they would. If you agree they would lose unarmed, than what was the point of you responding to my comment in the first place?

 

[Qinglong]

Pax has Jupiter’s Claim stock he’s trying to flip don’t fall for his anti Chimpanzee propaganda

unfortunately he's correct in this case because while it's claimed to have been seen by a biologist in 1954 there's no actual source for this quote

decapitating a wolf has been recorded as happening as recent as 2005 however

 

[Paxton]

Pax has Jupiter’s Claim stock he’s trying to flip don’t fall for his anti Chimpanzee propaganda

chimp's have been riding the high ever since a couple of old and unathletic women got aura farmed by some chimps mauling them to death, don't @ me

a fit man has a very good chance of beating one, there's big weight advantage

 

[Qinglong]

bro that was 14K Years. What do you mean a couple thousand
Also evolution can happen fast or slow there is no set amount of time that has to pass

Thats the problem dawg, your using your head
when these people say unarmed
they mean with their bare fucking hands

This shit stemed from people on tiktok thinking that in a 1v1 a man can easily handle ANY breed of dog barehanded. You underestimated just how stupid these niggas really are

^ Also this is the real problem

In a real life Situation they'd be able to use terrain, the earth, plan a attack etc. To up their chances of victory

but VS battle/Tik Tok stipulations usually have the animal bloodlusted and the location are empty enclosed spaces

they'd be lucky to deal any significant damage before getting trampled

 

[NostalgiaFan]

^ Also this is the real problem

In a real life Situation they'd be able to use terrain, the earth, plan a attack etc. To up their chances of victory

but VS battle/Tik Tok stipulations usually have the animal bloodlusted and the location are empty enclosed spaces

they'd be lucky to deal any significant damage before getting trampled

Exactly, without advantageous terrain to use to hide or slow down their pursuers, and the animal going for the kill right from the bat, the humans will not have much time to organize, much less regroup and start building any weapons, if they even can if it is all empty spaces with no means to build shit.

 

[Claudio Swiss]

 

[grillmaster]

Exactly, without advantageous terrain to use to hide or slow down their pursuers, and the animal going for the kill right from the bat, the humans will not have much time to organize, much less regroup and start building any weapons, if they even can if it is all empty spaces with no means to build shit.

moral of the story, take it from me, while i seem harsh on humans i for one am a big fan of humans, i am one

humans lose, when removed from literally all of our advantages and put up against an enemy that doesnt behave how its supposed to naturally