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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever

Masterblack06 said:
This shit stemed from people on tiktok thinking that in a 1v1 a man can easily handle ANY breed of dog barehanded. You underestimated just how stupid these niggas really are
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Yeah no, I knew a local uncle who was killed by a monkey recently- the kind that's smaller than a dog. Pretty fit and athletic guy, did not know MMA but did wrestling. He even used to go hunting.

Like the kind of guy TikTok idiots would least expect to die to an animal smaller than a pomeranian.
Masterblack06 said:
Meanwhile the range for evolutions is weeks in a lab to millions of years
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That's generally for microorganisms, even then it takes years before the natural selection kicks in and the mutation becomes the norm for the entire species rather than an exception of the gene pool.
 
Darth Zion said:
Very rarely did actual hunters make use of such traps, like pushing mammoths from mountain edges by tricking them into corners or making them fall into already dug ditches is just a modern glorification of human intelligence.
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Based on what? We are talking about unarmed humans so you are going to need more evidence to provide in cases where they were not armed that they were capable of taking on mammoths without said tools and weapons.
Okay and? What does any of this have to do with us taking on an elephant unarmed in a straight up fight?
Darth Zion said:
The chances of that failing were pretty low. The chances of the animal taking a wrong turn during the chase and missing the trap entirely is pretty high in comparison.
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Once again, what does any of this have to do with fighting an elephant with our bare hands? Whatever "Evidence" you have to say we did not use traps seems just as unlikely there is evidence they did so with their bare hands. Despite how much you imply it, Sticks and Stones are in fact, a huge factor for why we hunted so may species to extinction, regardless of how primitive said weaponry was. Where would we be able to do this now unarmed against an elephant?
 
NostalgiaFan said:
What does any of this have to do with us taking on an elephant unarmed in a straight up fight?
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You claimed-
NostalgiaFan said:
The only way a hundred humans can possibly beat an elephant with their bare hands is if it's a very sick and nearly dying elephant, they use the landscape to trick it into a ditch or cliff
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My response is to show that has not worked well historically. So normal humans are not gonna throw an elephant down a cliff when experienced hunters couldn't.
 
NostalgiaFan said:
Despite how much you imply it, Sticks and Stones are in fact, a huge factor for why we hunted so may species to extinction
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My man, my argument from the very beginning has been that the only way a hundred humans win against an elephant is by retreating and forging spears and stones to use as weapons.

As humans in character would. Like read properly what I'm saying
 
Darth Zion said:
Yeah no, I knew a local uncle who was killed by a monkey recently- the kind that's smaller than a dog. Pretty fit and athletic guy, did not know MMA but did wrestling. He even used to go hunting.
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Like I said these people are straight clowns man. They think they can take down tibetan mastiffs by "beliving in themselves hard enough" and "adrenaline can let you do anything"

Darth Zion said:
That's generally for microorganisms, even then it takes years before the natural selection kicks in and the mutation becomes the norm for the entire species rather than an exception of the gene pool.
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i mean wolves to dogs took 10-15k years
most domesticated livestock took around 10k
rabbits are probably the quickest mammals at 50-60 years

Like its not hard to believe humans were able to do it within 14k years
 
Darth Zion said:
You claimed-

My response is to show that has not worked well historically.
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Your response has nothing to do with my quote, I said the ONLY ways a hundred humans (who are unarmed as was said in that thread by Xcanto) can kill an elephant is by said three ways, not that it's how we did it historically, because we obviously did it with sticks and stones since our ancestors were not idiots otherwise we would have gone extinct.
 
Darth Zion said:
My man, my argument from the very beginning has been that the only way a hundred humans win against an elephant is by retreating and forging spears and stones to use as weapons.

As humans in character would.
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My man, learn to read before you respond to a post because my point has been the only way UNARMED Humans can beat an elephant is by either taking on a sick/dying one, trapping and tricking it, or just go full on banzai charge and hope the numbers finally does it in and even than it is unlikely if the Elephant in question is bloodlusted or not. If you are adding weapons, you changed the whole main topic.
 
NostalgiaFan said:
If you are adding weapons, you changed the whole main topic.
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I'm not interested in going back and forth with you on a topic we pretty much agree on except for semantics then.

The humans start unarmed, there's no rule saying they can't retreat and make some tools for themselves. That's one of the most important factors why we dominate the planet as a species, I see no reason to discount that.

If you mean the humans act stupid and just charge the elephant or that they can't make new tools and just pick up some rocks, then I've already said they lose.
 
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Masterblack06 said:
Like its not hard to believe humans were able to do it within 14k years
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It's not hard to believe per say, but studies show otherwise-

Homo sapiens – modern humans

All people living today belong to the species Homo sapiens. We evolved only relatively recently but with complex culture and technology have been able to spread throughout the world and occupy a range of different environments.
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We're on the same evolutionary stage as we were twenty thousand years ago. That being said, let's just agree to disagree on this.
 
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Darth Zion said:
I'm not interested in going back and forth with you on a topic we pretty much agree on except for semantics then.
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Then don't bother adding to it in the first place when it was unnecessary to begin with.
Darth Zion said:
The humans start unarmed, there's no rule saying they can't retreat and make some tools for themselves. That's one of the most important factors why we dominate the planet as a species, I see no reason to discount that.
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The comment Xcanto made was specifying unarmed, that's what I was referring to. You are the one being semantic here and arguing a point I never made.
Darth Zion said:
If you mean the humans act stupid and just charge the elephant or that they can't make new tools and just pick up some rocks, then I've already said they lose.
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Then don't waste my time arguing with me over a comment on a statement where they would. If you agree they would lose unarmed, than what was the point of you responding to my comment in the first place?
 
OtherGalaxy said:
Pax has Jupiter’s Claim stock he’s trying to flip don’t fall for his anti Chimpanzee propaganda
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unfortunately he's correct in this case because while it's claimed to have been seen by a biologist in 1954 there's no actual source for this quote

decapitating a wolf has been recorded as happening as recent as 2005 however
 
OtherGalaxy said:
Pax has Jupiter’s Claim stock he’s trying to flip don’t fall for his anti Chimpanzee propaganda
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chimp's have been riding the high ever since a couple of old and unathletic women got aura farmed by some chimps mauling them to death, don't @ me

a fit man has a very good chance of beating one, there's big weight advantage
 

^ Also this is the real problem

In a real life Situation they'd be able to use terrain, the earth, plan a attack etc. To up their chances of victory

but VS battle/Tik Tok stipulations usually have the animal bloodlusted and the location are empty enclosed spaces

they'd be lucky to deal any significant damage before getting trampled
 
Exactly, without advantageous terrain to use to hide or slow down their pursuers, and the animal going for the kill right from the bat, the humans will not have much time to organize, much less regroup and start building any weapons, if they even can if it is all empty spaces with no means to build shit.
 
moral of the story, take it from me, while i seem harsh on humans i for one am a big fan of humans, i am one

humans lose, when removed from literally all of our advantages and put up against an enemy that doesnt behave how its supposed to naturally
 
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