in some ways hes stronger
Decade cant summon 3 versions of himself of that same rider
like Legend summoned Zero One, Zero Two and Metal Cluster Hopper or Zi-O, Zi-O 2 and Grand Zi-O
when it comes to jumping a nigga Legend is on top
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Decade cant summon 3 versions of himself of that same rider
like Legend summoned Zero One, Zero Two and Metal Cluster Hopper or Zi-O, Zi-O 2 and Grand Zi-O
when it comes to jumping a nigga Legend is on top
Again, him summoning more Riders means nothing when Decade/Tsukasa has more power than him by leaps and bounds.
Sougo would absolutely destroy him faster than Ohma Zi-O did against Decade Complete 21... and Ohma was weak as shit then.
All I'm seeing is stuff Chapter 1 Yuji could replicate.
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Well, DDM+ Saint Acqua is not something we really get to see. He was struck by the Saint Breaker before his powers were fully explained.
But we do know have a general idea for his general strength, from the statements made about him-
- He's stronger than Misha during Angel Fall
- He's strong enough that he could have taken on both Carissa and Knight Leader at the same time while protecting Villian, according to Carissa herself.
- Knight Leader and Carissa both think that Silvia would have given them major trouble had she been in UK during their rebellion and there's nothing indicating she's stronger than Acqua.
He doesn't need to be stronger than Carissa to defeat her, he only needs enough speed to maintain distance and magic strong enough to hurt her- infinite stamina and ranged attacks do the rest. Gun generally beat the sword for a reason.
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Why is this suddenly hypothetical Carissa? The OP simply says Carissa at her strongest, and that's when she had Curtana Original.
Besides, what even makes a hypothetical Carissa even remotely comparable to a Magic God at full strength? Curtana can't even handle Fiamma's power without breaking and he got ganked by Othinus at her second weakest form.
Also, the sword obtains its power because a human king once made himself equivalent to the head of the church in a struggle for influence and power against the Catholics. It merely draws a fraction of power from original Michael, that does not make it equivalent to the Archangel himself. An significantly weaker Gabriel caught the sword with her bare hands.
Because of this quote? If I recall correctly she never actually does this.
- OT18
LPSAD Fiamma never fights Othinus (if I recall correctly) and the IT that Othinus crushed wasn't in the same state as the IT that overshadowed Fiamma (Touma's entire arm was gone in WW3 and Touma's wrist was only disjointed in NT when she crushed it), since we know its strength varies (depending on Touma's mindset/how much of his arm is missing) even if we know its strength generally increases over time.
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We are reading the same thing right, because your quote says that she would lose to an angel and a magic god.
Read the sentence above. It's saying that a true angel or a magic god would be enough to stop Carissa, not the other way around.
It was regular Fiamma who could break Curtana Original just by moving a fraction of his power through the sword, not LPSAD Fiamma
The Fiamma who lost to Othinus was stronger.
The quote says they'd RIVAL her, while also being able to take her down. (This adds up given what we know of later on in NT10 and when Mathers/Aleister fight regarding how strong phase beings are)
They're not mutually exclusive things.
Was it? I'd have to re-read the quote again. (what volume was that btw)
Citation? Fiamma wasn't in LPSAD at the time, and there's no in-between state. He's either LPSAD or he's not.
Darth Zion
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No, it says no human would be able to stop her if she unlocked the full power of Curtana unless an angel or a magic god steps forward. Here's the full paragraph for context-
What this means is that an angel and a magic would would defeat her even if she unlocked the true power of Curtana Original. There is no mention of Carissa rivalling them anywhere, the only thing mentioned is that she'd lose to them.
What are you talking about? That has nothing to do with what I said.
My claims was- Curtana can't even handle a fraction of regular Fiamma's power so any mention of LPSAD is meaningless to the argument.
Regular Fiamma is far weaker than Othinus, another point to Carissa being weaker than a Magic God.
The quote says no human would be able to stop her and then specifically says a true angel or Magic God stepping up would be able to rival and defeat her.
It's right there in the quote.
I really don't understand the logic of Fiamma being weaker than Othinus (and how that even makes sense for the story) if he's drawing upon the power of Michael, a being logically stronger than Abaddon, one of the Dainsleif calamities in NT10 that specifically are able to kill her?
It adds up with what is stated about Carissa accessing the full power of Curtana Original and Gabriel alone straining the world to its breaking point when summoned in early OT.
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Legend is weaker and slower than Malgam Ark ,Decade shits on him.
Darth Zion
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I'm simply gonna quote the novel once again-
This is what you're basing your argument on, and the word rival has never been used once in the entire sentence. It simply says that an angel or a magic god would be enough to defeat her- someone reach this nigga some english.
The logic is that Fiamma went against Othinus and got literally stomped to the ground like a petulant child.
Your entire argument is a fallacy if you're scaling actual archangels in their true forms to humans from God's Right Seat. They merely draw a fraction of power from them, that does not make them their equal.
Look at the Saints for example- their body resembles Jesus which allows Idol Theory to grant them a fraction of his power. Does that mean all Saints scale to the Son of the God?
So Saints are qual of Jesus because they draw power from him, Jesus who is actually God descending on Earth in mortal form... Meaning, by your logic, Saints now equal Ein Sof and were omnipotent and omniscient all along.
That's one contrived way to look at things. I would repeat it again- someone drawing a fraction of power from something does not make that someone equal to the source of their power. I shouldn't have to explain this but solar panels are not star level, bro. They just draw power from the sun, they are not actually equal to the sun.
Another point, Gabriel nearly distorted the universe just by existing in it. Fiamma lived on Earth his whole life and nothing happened, in fact he would've never needed to summon Gabriel in the first place if he was already stronger than her right from the beginning in base.
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Welp the same shit I was complaining about happened again
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Apparently Sukuna can now beat Toji with no CE.
What diff does Meguna give Heian Sukuna in pure hands?
Heian Sukuna goes up against Meguna in a battle of pure hands. No CT, no DE, no cursed tools. Only CE Reinforcement and RCT are allowed. Now it's obvious to everyone who's literate that Heian Sukuna slams, but how hard does he slam?
www.fanverse.org Apparently Sukuna can now beat Toji with no CE.
??????
"If that happened, it would be almost impossible for anyone to rival Carissa unless a true angel or possibly a Magic God stepped forward."
Anyway I actually agree on the Idol Theory stuff you're talking about but when did Gabriel and Fiamma fight again?