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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever

Doesn't HST also get shit on mainly because of:

1) How bland and repetitive they are compared to most other more distinguished quality anime out there
You can argue that applies to a lot of other things. When your as popular as the HST, it’s a lot more easy to notice and make note of your flaws.

I personally found One Piece boring and just could never get into it period. As with many others, I dropped Naruto after Pain. And Bleach is pretty mid all around for me
2) How annoying their wankers and fanbase were in regular debates in the OBD and other boards.
I’ve seen much worse.
3) How utterly cringe Naruto itself (as both a character and a series) was to begin with.
I’ve seen much greater cringe. Helps that a fair amount of Naruto fans today are grown up too, making the cringe still present but nowhere near as frequent.
And how fun it was to put them all into the Method of Test and watch them get slandered, humiliated, and bodied by better series out there?
Okay….
I doubt simply being some of the most mainstream and popular series were the only main reasons.
There’s all kinds of reason for why their involved in a good 70-80% of threads: just fans making matchups of the favorite characters, the endless fan wars between the 3, haters making the above mentioned spite threads you described, or even people largely indifferent to them but still make matchups including them to get other more obscure series they like to otherwise be talked about by piggybacking on the popularity of the HST
 

Lol, it's not. Gojo is not creating infinite space, he's dividing the space between him and his opponent infinitely. It's an important distinction that SB tends to forget. To demonstrate- it's like the difference between zero and one, which would always remain a single unit regardless of the logical leaps you make since what Limitless does is that it forces approaching objects to interact with the fraction equivalents in between them such as 0.1, 0.11, 0.111, 0.111....

Another way to look at it is that Gojo keeps folding a small space infinitely around him so that objects approaching him have to travel through all these folds which are being further divided constantly to essentially freeze the object in its spot so you don't actually need any 'infinite' feats to bypass the technique known as infinity. This is ignoring that Limitless is a reactive power, not a passive one. It's stated clearly in the manga and all that's changed with Gojo growing up is that this process has become automatic.
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Gojo's technique automatically measures the cursed energy, the mass, the shape, and the speed of all approaching objects to distinguish the danger they pose and block them accordingly- the weakness of its detection was the reason why Infinity could not block poison before.

The scan above proves that Infinity requires at least the technique itself to detect something and sort it based on the threat level before blocking it. This process is automatic, but the claim that the technique's detection process is instantaneous and its ability to process attacks is also happening in zero time is completely unsubstantiated. I'd go as far as to say that something hypersonic can bypass infinity by being too fast for the technique to react to since it is reactive in the application, even if the selection is automatic

I brought this up before and SB's only response to it was- 'then why didn't people attack him from behind?' which is laughable as an argument because Limitless is clearly stated to be automatic which accounts for this and the stupidity of characters in their own verse is not something considered transitive to characters from outside it.

Gojo is turning into one of the most wanked characters I've seen, and most of the wank is completely without evidence. The double standards are insane- I haven't seen anyone arguing Kamui would be able to block infinite speed if it's not activated beforehand just because it turns on subconsciously and automatically yet they do it all the time for Gojo.
Doesn't Limitless blocking Sukuna's Dismantle prove it's always up?

Limitless blocks it and Gojo iirc explicitly can't detect it with his Six Eyes.
 
Limitless blocks it and Gojo iirc explicitly can't detect it with his Six Eyes.
Firstly, Limitless is automatic meaning it does not depend on Gojo's perception to react against threats. Autonomous powers that can act without a user's input are nothing new in fiction, there are many examples but since you talk mostly about ToAru I'd name a few of them from- Fiamma's Right Hand, Vento's Divine Punishment, Thor's Almighty etc. Other examples include Stands from Jojo, Shards from Worm, Kamui from Naruto, Logias from One Piece etc.

Secondly, dismantle is made up of Cursed Energy meaning it falls under the preview of what Limitless explicitly can sense and block. Characters have reacted to it before so Gojo's technique being unable to detect it is just bull in my opinion. Moreover, my claim is backed by the manga stating clearly that Limitless measures an object's cursed energy, mass, shape, and speed to categorize it in danger levels and block it accordingly. The technique being reactive is the reason why sound, light, oxygen are not blocked and why Gojo cannot block poison.

Lastly, I'm not opposed to the idea of Infinity always being active, it's just that I have never seen it being proven this it is indeed the case. This a positive claim that goes against what we are directly shown, so the onus falls on you to prove that it is always active rather than on me to show otherwise. If you have such proof then feel free to share it.

And don't just say that 'Mahoraga would have just increased its speed to counter it' or 'Why don't characters attack Gojo from behind', this is not actual proof.
 
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Hmm. Siriel forgot how Shiki cut through space.

Siriel conveniently forget alot of things... like Nasuverse Mages on the regular tend to deal with shit far above JJK's paygrade on the regular and aren't just "Weaker Harry Potter Wizards"...
Or the fact that Ophelia's Mystic Eye's true power is NOT acting as an anchor for Surtr's Soul, that's how he was able to manifest into Sigurd in the first place(as well as how strong her Mystic Eye is to anchor a Divine Spirit)
Or the fact that Musashi and Shiki Ryougi have moved fast enough that it makes JJK look like a picture in picture.

Firstly, Limitless is automatic meaning it does not depend on Gojo's perception to react against threats. Autonomous powers that can act without a user's input are nothing new in fiction, there are many examples but since you talk mostly about ToAru I'd name a few of them from- Fiamma's Right Hand, Vento's Divine Punishment, Thor's Almighty etc. Other examples include Stands from Jojo, Shards from Worm, Kamui from Naruto, Logias from One Piece etc.

Secondly, dismantle is made up of Cursed Energy meaning it falls under the preview of what Limitless explicitly can sense and block. Characters have reacted to it before so Gojo's technique being unable to detect it is just bull in my opinion. Moreover, my claim is backed by the manga stating clearly that Limitless measures an object's cursed energy, mass, shape, and speed to categorize it in danger levels and block it accordingly. The technique being reactive is the reason why sound, light, oxygen are not blocked and why Gojo cannot block poison.

Lastly, I'm not opposed to the idea of Infinity always being active, it's just that I have never seen it being proven this it is indeed the case. This a positive claim that goes against what we are directly shown, so the onus falls on you to prove that it is always active rather than on me to show otherwise. If you have such proof then feel free to share it.

And don't just say that 'Mahoraga would have just increased its speed to counter it' or 'Why don't characters attack Gojo from behind', this is not actual proof.

I had someone on Reddit dead ass tell me that because Limitless is automatic, that means it can block shit above it's paygrade because automatic =/= going above and beyond from the very page they used(that we all used) stating that's not how that works.

JJK Fanboys legit cannot read even when they love making memes that JJK fans love to bitch about shit that's in the manga and yet, they clearly lack reading comprehension themselves.

EDIT: But these are the same people who believe Limitless being able to crush people somehow makes sense despite that going against how Limitless is explained(i.e. if Gojo can crush people with it, then it should be a regular ass force field, not infinitely bending space as there would be no distribution of crushing force or Gojo just forever hanging in midair when he uses it... but Gege is a dumbass and so is his fanbase)
 
I wonder how many of yall realize we aint the target audience of shonen anymore. And as such aren’t really meant to be engaged like we were by Goku, Naruto, Ichigo etc.
Uggghhh I fucking HATE this bullshit cop out. :smh

There are plenty of characters and series that have mass appeal well beyond the scope of their target audience, Goku himself certainly is one of them. You don't endure so long in the eyes of the mainstream by JUST appealing to kids.
Half the reason we like those characters so much is because they lined up with us when we were like 8-12, and we follow the series mostly cuz of years of investment and nostalgia.
And quite possibly also because they're still good, by any standard. Nostalgia alone isn't gonna keep you investing time in a series or character that isn't actually any good.

The fact of the matter is, some Shounen and Shounen protagonists are better than others and that's why some are held on a pedestal in comparison to others.
A new individual shonen MC not grabbing you the same way at age 20+ isnt as much of a knock against the next gen as some act like it is. It simply aint for us anymore.
Okay then explain why Asta and Chloe had pretty much no difficulty becoming instant favourites (or near favourites in Asta's case) for me, yet I NEVER liked Meliodas and (while I initially liked him at the start) Deku fell off HARD? :mjpls

It's almost like it has less to do with nostalgia and target audience and a lot more to do with the actual quality of the character or series in question doesn't it? :maybe
 
https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/toji-fushiguro-from-jjk-vs-mages-from-frieren.1186465/#post-104933602 These niggas know that 30 meters distance is nothing for a mach 3 character like Toji ?

No, they don't even know basic science and that's obvious due to how they even get basic shit wrong.

Okay then explain why Asta and Chloe had pretty much no difficulty becoming instant favourites (or near favourites in Asta's case) for me, yet I NEVER liked Meliodas and (while I initially liked him at the start) Deku fell off HARD? :mjpls

It's almost like it has less to do with nostalgia and target audience and a lot more to do with the actual quality of the character or series in question doesn't it? :maybe

For Meliodas, it's funny that people are now trying to shit on him for his perverted tendencies with Elizabeth when most of it only happened when it became obvious Nakaba didn't know how to do their Curses properly(Meliodas will live forever while Elizabeth will inevitably find Meliodas no matter what(Whether she gets her memories early or not and she's 16) and reincarnates endlessly) and then tried to explain away his perverted tendencies with Liz as... trying to learn to be more "human"... which is such an assbackwards reason for that.

The easy thing that could fix it? Meliodas also dies and reincarnates but KEEPS his memories or more remotely, he's permanently STUCK at 16 years old himself which makes his perverted tendencies make sense. But even then, you don't even need to justify that stupid shit, just don't have Meliodas fucking meet Liz till she's 16 if you need to keep that stupid Curse plot point.
 

Uggghhh I fucking HATE this bullshit cop out. :smh

There are plenty of characters and series that have mass appeal well beyond the scope of their target audience, Goku himself certainly is one of them. You don't endure so long in the eyes of the mainstream by JUST appealing to kids.

And quite possibly also because they're still good, by any standard. Nostalgia alone isn't gonna keep you investing time in a series or character that isn't actually any good.

The fact of the matter is, some Shounen and Shounen protagonists are better than others and that's why some are held on a pedestal in comparison to others.

Okay then explain why Asta and Chloe had pretty much no difficulty becoming instant favourites (or near favourites in Asta's case) for me, yet I NEVER liked Meliodas and (while I initially liked him at the start) Deku fell off HARD? :mjpls

It's almost like it has less to do with nostalgia and target audience and a lot more to do with the actual quality of the character or series in question doesn't it? :maybe

Asta and Chihiro (Kagurabachi is great, go read it) have me as invested as any of the HST ever did, and Goku still pulls people of all ages and types from across the world. Some characters are just built different.
 
You can argue that applies to a lot of other things. When your as popular as the HST, it’s a lot more easy to notice and make note of your flaws.

I personally found One Piece boring and just could never get into it period. As with many others, I dropped Naruto after Pain. And Bleach is pretty mid all around for me

I’ve seen much worse.
"Much worse"

Okay do tell.

But when it comes to anime/manga, I can't think of anything much more dull and pedestrian than the HST. Other than whatever current shonenshit you have going on right now that also feels devoid of quality and substance from just the little impression I have of them.

I’ve seen much greater cringe. Helps that a fair amount of Naruto fans today are grown up too, making the cringe still present but nowhere near as frequent.
You are underestimating the amount of wankers that are still swarming YouTube comments and even Reddit in numbers.

And the people who know better on YT/Reddit would resoundingly disagree with you on their fanbase in this hobby.
Okay….

There’s all kinds of reason for why their involved in a good 70-80% of threads: just fans making matchups of the favorite characters, the endless fan wars between the 3, haters making the above mentioned spite threads you described, or even people largely indifferent to them but still make matchups including them to get other more obscure series they like to otherwise be talked about by piggybacking on the popularity of the HST
Maybe. Maybe not. But be that as it may, but I'm hardpressed to find anything much that will ever replace the HST as THE Method of Test for OBD'rs and other veteran powerscalers and fictional debate bros like ourselves. And the sheer fun and amusement that comes out of watching their asses negged in droves.
 
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I personally found One Piece boring and just could never get into it period. As with many others, I dropped Naruto after Pain. And Bleach is pretty mid all around for me

To touch upon this point, I'll admit I used to BRIEFLY watch the 4Kids English dub of One Piece on TV (and only ever mildly enjoyed them in passing at the time). My only memories of it worth highlighting are just a few mildly amusing villains like Captain Kuro, Buggy, Meow Bang Brothers, and Wapol as well as a few laughs and giggles with Luffy and the main cast here and there. Beyond that, never cared much for the art style, character designs, or theme of the series much. Looks and feels all kind of boring and awkward to me. Like a disproportionate mess. And the fact that the show has even gone on for THIS long for a shonenslop series astonishes me.
 

It's funny they keep bringing in the heaviest of hitters like Merlin and then equally lie like Ruler Breaker won't work on Infinity(When it absolutely would like the Inverted Spear did...) when any alright Mage worth their shit can just Invert Causality and nail Gojo no matter what(Because despite how dumb SB is these days, the laws of Causality doesn't suddenly take a backseat due to a shitty Paradox, Gojo is getting hit regardless when the Effect is etched in stone before the Cause even happens) and that's if we go with the insanely stupid Limitless wank people go with despite it being disproven in the story itself.

Otherwise, enough Magical Energy can effortlessly distort space meaning any Servant that just wants to kill Gojo... just to literally powerup and boom.

Here, Gae Bolg's power distorts space as Cu readies to throw it.
 
On top of that, I used to think One Piece was the most respectable part of the HST.

But not anymore and despite all its hype, am I the only one here who now thinks Bleach is actually unironically the most likeable or tolerable series of the HST at this point?

@Astaro @Masterblack06 @Xhominid The Apex

No you ain't the only one. I have consistently put myself on record for how much I went from loving Mahashi Kishimoto's work and being a HUGE Naruto fanboy(Part 1 Naruto) to absolutely believing the man is a hack and a fraud(After Naruto Part 2, Samurai 8 which I swear I will finish and Boruto) and just want him to stop writing entirely altogether.

Eichiro Oda, meanwhile, I respect the guy but I think that the wank people give him goes WAY too far to the point that I legit cannot see what others see.
This doesn't mean I don't enjoy One Piece when it gets good but for how long it drags, it inevitably kills my interests especially when he tries to do big reveals to really obvious shit(Like him dragging on for 2-3 chapters why Davey Jones wants to destroy Fishman Island so bad... when anyone with a pulse knows he has no actual reason and is just a machine of hate created by the circumstances).

I ain't saying Bleach is perfect and shit, it has flaws and plenty of them but I do believe people go way overboard with Bleach's flaws vs. Naruto's and One Piece's and me and Blade tend to really enjoy Bleach despite that fact and are massively anticipating the 3rd Season next month of TYBW.
I genuinely like Ichigo as a protagonist and see him as Number 1 of the HST and Top 10 of current Shonen Jump(only losing to Asta and Edward Elric).
 
I would just put in that I personally think One Piece is meant to be enjoyed more as a manga rather than a weekly anime.

The show extended parts of it to the point where it got boring just to allow manga to catch up, but if we compare manga alone then One Piece is leagues above the rest of HST in just about everything.
 
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