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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever

There's also him iirc tanking a weapon that could knock the moon out of orbit.
 
One and Only said:
Wait front you think DKT is the second strongest being in ToAru, stronger than true Gremlin?

Interesting take... I've read Worm. Imo Scion loses to Accel.
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I suppose my bait wasn't obvious enough.

(He's technically tied with Alice, but yes, both of them (as well as Sprengel, Kingsford, and JVA) are the strongest beings we've seen so far.)

Yes, I was joking. megacomfy
 
This gives me a thread idea..

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If someone thinks that nuking the moon is enough to beat Arcueid , then they are nuts , she can handle planet level weights before using more back ups or going Luminary.
Also her punchs can atomize matter and her reality marble is a complete gg for Scion since his shard will be neutralized and he will die for good + she can attack from other dimension , space and time. Not even the real body is safe.
 
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If someone thinks that nuking the moon is enough to beat Arcueid , then they are nuts , she can handle planet level weights before using more back ups or going Luminary.
Also her punchs can atomize matter and her reality marble is a complete gg for Scion since his shard will be neutralized and he will die for good + she can attack from other dimension , space and time. Not even the real body is safe.
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Nuking the Moon wouldn't do anything to Archetype: Earth because The Moon itself is only part of her jurisdiction alongside Earth, her main place.
But even then, her strength and Marble Phantasm and everything else is too bullshit for Scion to remotely deal with but SB keeps thinking it's in character for Scion to use PTV as effectively as Contessa despite that not only being wrong, the Author even states that Scion is too emotionally immature to even think of using it more effectively than when he did against Eidolon.

I also love when they act like Scion will "go into another universe" and do potshots from there as if he ever did it in canon and how absolutely cowardly that sounds.
 
Worm is just another fanfic machine for SB , they use the character based on HOW they like to be and not how they are in the work , same applies for HP , RWBY ,Bleach, etc.
Scion in Worm = Homelander with some hax that dies from depression
Scion in SB = a genious that has optimized his powers and use PtV the 100% of the times.
 
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AlterSullivan said:
The dude left VSBW and has been peddling his takes on reddit lately. It's really funny when not even the people on reddit take him seriously :trinny
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Then that's some real sad shit considering you have dudes on Reddit who believe Powerscaling for Fate doesn't exist because they fully believe "Hax can beat Hax" which is not true in the Nasuverse nor was that ever Nasu's intention(Heracles having God Hand and being in the wrong HGW can literally solo it with no problem is precisely meant against that).
 
without wank, can someone tell me how strong actually the re zero verse is? a long time ago, i had watched like few episodes from s1 and fell asleep, but for some reason peeps still use it on fights, lel, are they ainz tier? or stronger?
 
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Xhominid The Apex said:
Then that's some real sad shit considering you have dudes on Reddit who believe Powerscaling for Fate doesn't exist because they fully believe "Hax can beat Hax" which is not true in the Nasuverse nor was that ever Nasu's intention(Heracles having God Hand and being in the wrong HGW can literally solo it with no problem is precisely meant against that).
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Yeah, that makes no sense.
High enough magical energy can be considered a form of quality hax in itself when you think about it.

He deleted some of his comments, but this thread is comedy gold:
 
AlterSullivan said:
Yeah, that makes no sense.
High enough magical energy can be considered a form of quality hax in itself when you think about it.

He deleted some of his comments, but this thread is comedy gold:
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Yeah just reading this, you can tell this man is fucking GONE when it comes to misunderstanding everything about Void Shiki.

That's entirely inaccurate. She had an Origin Awakening, which elevates the mind and allows it to transcends the limit of the physical body when guiding it and filled with concentration. In CCC, Servants even found an Origin Awakening to be such a massive power up that they would literally be obliterated passively if they wield it without the help of specialized mystic codes. And Ryougi has the strongest Origin in the verse, corresponding to Akasha itself. Touko even described her body as "full" of black boxes, which is the same imagery used to describe the Origins in CCC. This is because Ryougi's Origin is aligned with Akasha directly, acting as the source of all other phenomena/black boxes acting as individual Origins. This is why MEoDP is said to be only one of her many powers and she was designed to be a human with "maximum uses".
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The issue is that he legit thinks that Shiki Ryougi became godlike of their Origin being "released" but that's NEVER how Origin as a concept works because he's completely confusing Spirit Origin and the nature of what a person's Origin is.
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Magecraft[Note 1] (魔術, Majutsu?) is the artificial reenactment of Mystery, which is ordinarily possible only by inhuman beings.[1][2] Magecraft is the ability to bring about what is possible through science with supernatural means; although the process is considered a miracle, the result is not...
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These actions are more along the lines of an inherent compulsion that could be called a person's instinct rather than a conscious decision. If a person becomes awakened to their Origin, it becomes nearly impossible to stray from their Origin if it's even possible in the first place. It becomes an impulsive behavior one would follow as though it were an absolute order. The Ryougi Family is able to awaken the Origin of newborns, and Souren Araya is capable of awakening one to their Origin after receiving consent from the person beforehand. Araya claims that death and Origins are related, and his various experiments on death are used to further his knowledge on them.[39]

Under the system of magecraft, Origins are used to describe precise details about a magus, while Elemental Affinity indicates one’s general alignment.[16] Magi with an Origin that is strongly expressed outwardly are sometimes removed from the normal alignments and there are times that the Origin itself becomes the alignment. Most of those magi exhibit their talents as extreme specialists, allowing them to potentially reach higher grounds than normal magi. Even those without an Elemental Affinity are sometimes still capable of casting Spells simply by following their Origin. It's possible for them to overcome great obstacles such as a lack of Magic Circuits or a lack of talent for magecraft altogether. Shirou Emiya's Origin is "Sword" and his alignment as a magus is also "Sword". He is unable to use magecraft of the Five Great Elements with precision because he doesn't have any of them as an alignment, but it does allow for the manifestation of Unlimited Blade Works.[40]
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Yes, your Origin being unlocked CAN make you stronger... it can also pigeonhole the fuck out of you and basically be locked into your own damn body because you have no idea how to even control your Origin:

One field of research within the Department of Individual Fundamentals involves bringing forth factors from cells, but the field is vetoed all the time due to many incidents involving Origins. Novice magi who don't have experience become prisoners to their own Origins, leading to them being labeled as examples of foolish students during lectures.[41]
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Meaning you still need to know what the hell you are doing before having your Origin be unlocked, you don't become god mode because you have it(See Shirou Emiya and basically damn near dying in many, many cases and still having issues after his Origin got unlocked). What he tends to confuse hardcore is that Shiki Ryougi and Shiki Tohno are ridiculous because of their Demon Slaying training which allows them to break their limits.

Further, her swordmanship is absurd. She transforms her body into a living weapon and merges with her sword and with Nothingness, the source of martial arts. She applies the perfection of Akasha to swordmanship, granting her the highest possible level of skill, and allowing her to access the true nature of existence to unify her movements with fundamental truths and dissolve all possibilities into single powerful acts. This allows her to ignore physical distances entirely, shift through reality, rewinding time, see into the future and damage non-physical beings without needing MEoDP. Her movements mirror the inevitability of death.
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Okay, now this is bullshit LMFAO. Shiki Ryougi being able to defeat Araya was done due to Void's assistance, absolutely but that was done because Void's personality is far, far closer to The Root and thus can deal with Araya's bullshit at it's core. The rest of these are things she could theoretically do... but as shown with Manaka, it's not something at all that's easy even for her(Which I LOVE how much Manaka gets ignored despite being Void Shiki in every way and has actually shown how absurd she is unlike Void).

In Melty Blood, Non-Void regular Ryougi killed DAAs like Nrvnqsr Chaos, then Tohno Shiki (An Origin awakened transcendental killer that surpasses True Ancestors) and is hyped for being able to fight Archetype Earth, with the official guidebook confirming she won the fight and slayed her. Her eyes Evolved to where she can instill death on those who lacks it and erase the abstract rules governing how reality works.
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Okay one, while those did happen(Defeating Fabro Rowan and Shiki Tohno), stating Tohno surpasses True Ancestors is some of the most insane cope I have ever heard considering he still would get destroyed by 30% Arcueid, let alone anyone higher. And "Ryougi defeating Archetype: Earth" never stated she beat her at all, it just pulled it from the game and no further comments on it. And the last part is explicitly bullshit as she cannot force the concept of Death on beings that don't have it, that's NEVER been the case and that's the entire reason why you need to force the concept of Death on beings who don't have one before MEoDP can work at all.

Ryougi is consistently top tier physically in every series. Furthermore, physicals are irrelevant in the first place when Void can alter reality and do almost anything.
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No, she isn't. Ryougi Shiki is only seen as strong due to the nature of how she's connected to The Root due to the Void personality but that's now called into question due to Tohno's new ridiculous feat of when he destroyed the Hallway, he also somehow killed Roa's legs due to being connected to/touching it. There's a reason why Nasu has stated that Ryougi can only play defense against "Average Servants" and we still haven't seen shit that shows she can do any "omnipotence" to even the degree Manaka can do so in Prototype and even SHE was limited because Nasuverse Earth don't play that.
 
Blade said:
without wank, can someone tell me how strong actually the re zero verse is? a long time ago, i had watched like few episodes from s1 and fell asleep, but for some reason peeps still use it on fights, lel, are they ainz tier? or stronger?
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God tiers like Reinhard and Satella are continent level, Satella destroys the Re: Zero world everytime Subaru dies per Al another looper andpossibly an alternate version of subaru Reinhard is = to Satella and its been stated if they ever fight it'd be a infinite stalemate since Reinhard is simply too strong for Satella to kill while he can't break her immortality.

Characters below them like Reid Astrea (Reinhard's ancestor) has a "cut thru everything" gimmick and he's relativistic-ftl since he cut thru Jiwald, a laser spell that moves as fast as light.

Tho characters way weaker than Reid can get lightspeed scaling with Grimm's feat of dodging Al Jiwald (a stronger version of Jiwald) in the Re: Zero prequel novels.

Top tiers like Cecilus are stated to move as fast as lightning and he lost a duel to Reinhard. His father Rowan could split clouds and Cecilus considers that "child's play".
 
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You also have dragons like Mezoreia who said to be able to destroy the country of Vollachia with its ultimate attack. And Mezoreia would be weaker than Volcanica.
 

Hax relationship to raw power in the OBD

In light of recent events, it would seem that the OBD has a new take on how hax works in relationship to the power source behind the ability. An example that was given that Dio from the Joe Joe series can stop time accross the universe, but shouldn't be considered universal, which made me...
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@Xhominid The Apex bosskitten made an entire thread for a standard that's been part of the obd forever just because he doesn't like that bleach isn't exempt from it.
 
Cryso Agori said:
God tiers like Reinhard and Satella are continent level, Satella destroys the Re: Zero world everytime Subaru dies per Al another looper andpossibly an alternate version of subaru Reinhard is = to Satella and its been stated if they ever fight it'd be a infinite stalemate since Reinhard is simply too strong for Satella to kill while he can't break her immortality.

Characters below them like Reid Astrea (Reinhard's ancestor) has a "cut thru everything" gimmick and he's relativistic-ftl since he cut thru Jiwald, a laser spell that moves as fast as light.

Tho characters way weaker than Reid can get lightspeed scaling with Grimm's feat of dodging Al Jiwald (a stronger version of Jiwald) in the Re: Zero prequel novels.

Top tiers like Cecilus are stated to move as fast as lightning and he lost a duel to Reinhard. His father Rowan could split clouds and Cecilus considers that "child's play".
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wow, this zzzzz tier series, solos mha and ainz lands? lel, highbars i know

so, they like final arc nardo levels (excluding the top tiers of that arc during the kaguya fight) in a way, about juubito tier, but faster and various degree of hax, while the top tiers, seem mhs+ and country+ levels
 
Xhominid The Apex said:
There's a reason why Nasu has stated that Ryougi can only play defense against "Average Servants" and we still haven't seen shit that shows she can do any "omnipotence" to even the degree Manaka can do so in Prototype and even SHE was limited because Nasuverse Earth don't play that.
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Oh but you see, he has an answer to that as well. He claims all of Nasu's comments on Ryougi must be "ignored" because he is inconsistent and "contradicts" what's on the novel. Same for Ryougi in FGO, hence why he keeps parroting about this two different canons nonsense.
There are a bunch of other funny things he's claimed like Melty Blood joke story routes and characters not existing, when even Archetype Earth fights Kohaku and Mech Hisui as part of her storyline in MBAA. He also claims the All Around Type Moon CD drama where Ryougi claimed to be unable to create a castle out of imagination like Arcueid does is noncanon because it's a "joke story", when Ryougi actually references Ahnenerbe in her win quote against Arcueid :trinny
 
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