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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever
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Kurama vs Mordor
In order to defeat Kurama, Sauron has decided to unleash his entire army. All the orcs, trolls, Uruk hai etc. but he himself will not appear Who wins? Round 2: Mordor faces 6 V2 Jins
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Darth Zion
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He could've in the Early Ages but Sauron here is a shade of his Maiar version that Kurama has no way to actually put down. What likely happens is that Kurama wrecks Mordor but then proceeds to gets corrupted by Sauron.
NO ONE IS STOPPING HIM
HE LITERALLY TAPS THE SHIT WITH HIS FOOT AND WINS
WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING
BASE Bazz was the guy who offset enough of Shikai Yamamoto's flames to allow himself and two other Nazis to actually survive it.
He is absolutely beating Stark in Base, he DOES NOT need Vollstanding.
For fuck's sake, Nazis a full tier below Bazz by feats (ie Mask, As Nodt, Bambi etc.) would lolstomp, never mind Bazz.
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Darth Zion
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Hey @Adamant soul, remind me again- why exactly is Ichibei's name manipulation generally equated to concept manipulation? As far as I remember, the source materials never called it the manipulation of concepts outright but nearly all Bleach debaters refer to it as such.
Is it something people just accept because it's easier to understand or something?
Is it something people just accept because it's easier to understand or something?
Because in a sense, it's not really name manipulation in that sense.
The main reason Ichibe's power is so strong in Bleach is because in Bleach, names HAVE power(This is stated by Zangetsu when Ichigo first unveiled Getsuga Tenshou as stating the name of the attack boosts it's power exponentially and why Zabimaru hiding it's true Bankai's name was such a bitch to Renji) and thus Ichibe, who knows the names of everything and can screw with it, can basically damage the shit out of someone's power because of it.
The problem with it is that people LOVE putting in Ichibe's power in franchises... where it doesn't follow the same route at all(Like in Fate, Names have nowhere near as much power as they think they do outside of True Name Releases... but then it opens up a fuckton can of worms as if Ichibe can somehow overwrite Humanities' Collective Unconsciousness even trying to get rid of a Noble Phantasm's Name) or it's not as gimped. So even using VS. logic, you kinda begin hitting a brick wall when it comes to Ichibe's abilities.
EDIT: I think where people get Ichibe having Name Manipulation comes from his Bankai + Shikai combo but ignore he still had to give Yhwach a name of an Ant and he just can't truly make shit up. So his power is limited by what is already around in the world as is.
It's 2024 and people are still saying Accelerator can just get suffocated
All this because he initially said Accelerator "Can't destroy Academy City under normal circumstances", which is just straight up idiotic.
@Darth Zion @Astaro look at this entire conversation if you want to suffer an aneurysm
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I mean he's fucking with the concept of a "name" which is important to Bleach so I can see why it would be considered conceptual.
Otherwise Xhominid pretty much covered it.
Darth Zion
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It's not that I don't think it's abstract- it's just that it falls short of the mainstream idea of manipulating concepts, so equalizing the two either makes Ichibei's power more overinflated than it is or degrades other forms of concept manipulation. For example, fucking around with laws of physics and mathematics is equally as abstract in my eyes, but I've rarely seen posters trying to equalize it to manipulation of concepts.
Another thing that bothers me is when people start demanding proof of characters resisting concept manipulation to defend against Ichibei.
Oh of course it's not even remotely on the level as fucking with the concept of time or space as those are much more all-encompassing than his name fuckery. It's like everything else, there's levels to it but it would still fall under the same umbrella.
To use a similar example, Gremmy (Bleach), Cherubimon (Digimon 02) and Discord (My Little Pony) are all reality warpers but they're operating at completely different scales and have access to different specific abilities.
So again I'd class manipulation of any concept under the same umbrella but they're obviously not all equal.
Of course this is the other possible explanation is Bleach fans specifically do it to make Ichibei more broken than he actually is, or to push that he can affect characters he really shouldn't be able to.
That's just the nature of Bleach wankers though, not much we can do about it other than point and laugh at the inane shit they claim.
Darth Zion
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Not what I'm talking about- it's when Bleach debaters deny any other examples of resistance working against other abstract powers and specifically demand resistance against universal concept manipulation when arguing for Ichibei.
I don't remember the exact threads but I've encountered it more than once. It did not happen here yet but there's a poster claiming Ichibei can manipulate universal concepts, so the argument is doomed to end up in the circle I was talking about-
That's not how that works lol, if Ichibe can manipulate the laws of Physics with his naming shit, why did he never do so despite how insane that would be? Even his plan to have Ichigo be the new Soul King would have been smoother if he had that capability but he doesn't.
And yes, I have seen people go through hoops in giving Bleach characters shit they never had in the belief that it should work as effectively in their series than it is against other series(Like Yhwach's Almighty vs. people who can also see the Future or screw with it or Kyoka Suigetsu vs. those who also can do powerful illusions) without any real proof on why they are superior except "it is".
WTF does he even mean by this?
The Anti-Spiral has several blatant multiversal feats too, and as OG said, it's very conspicuous how the Destiny side has not brought up a single feat.
grillmaster
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he means his scaling is infallible, as it was revealed to him in a dream like most spacebattles scaling
-ki blasts don't scale to physicals
-kamehameha doesn't matter now
-oozaru goku can only punch thru steel walls
do they forget that oozaru's can lifewipe planets????!