Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever

[Adamant soul]

Rukia Kuchiki(Bleach) vs Noelle Silva(Black Clover)

2 words "Absolute Zero"

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Wow this dude is STILL fucking ass-blasted that nobody thinks Rukia can beat Noelle. Yeah "I've tried telling them that but nobody believes me", it's almost like she's dealt with Absolute Zero in her own series and has the advantage in every single stat by a wide margin or something.

most funniest joke shes useless even orihime is better

It seems he just has a massive hate boner either for Noelle specifically or for Black Clover in general.
I mean how in the hell can you claim with a straight face that Noelle is "useless"?

They literally wouldn't even have won the FIRST real fight of the series without Noelle's Sea Dragon's Lair, Asta had to draw on HER magic to fend off Mars, helped Leopold defeat two zombies in the Capital, got the Squad to the Underwater Temple with Sea Dragon's Cradle and took Vetto's arm clean the fuck off with Sea Dragon's Roar (reminder this was the ONLY significant damage he took that was not done via Asta's anti-magic or from Yami's dimension slash) and THEN she was instrumental to defeating Fana in the Forest of Witches arc.

EVERYTHING I just listed was within the first 100 chapters of the manga ALONE and she already did more than Orihime (and especially the likes of Sakura or Ochako) EVER did until the last arc. Hell Mimosa is an Orihime-esque character who even started only being able to heal people and she was still more useful in 200 chapters than Orihime was (again until the very end of the series).

 

[Adamant soul]

Isshin vs Unohana

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Nah

Unohana brutalizes him. Superior feats and portrayal. Bankai Isshin is a complete unknown but Shikai and Base are certainly cooked by Unohana.

Unohana smokes. Isshin would presumably win in bankai though.

Literally HOW THE FUCK does Unohana have better feats than Isshin?

Her feats start...and end...with easily murking First Invasion Kenpachi repeatedly.

Same dude who would still have been fodder to Aizen and Isshin given their peers are an actual match for stronger Nazis than the one who neg diffed Kenpachi.

Are people really just that down bad for Unohana 'cause I really don't see where the wank comes from? The most you could argue is a fresh Unohana being comparable to Base EoS Kenpachi and would STILL leave her below Soul Reaper Aizen (and therefore Isshin) by feats.

 

[Papa Nier]

FF1/Dissidia Warrior of Light and FFXIV Warrior of Light

Uh no he's not winning at all against one of the people who beat Time Compression Ultimecia, no matter how good or bad he's junctioned.

Depends how you view the Senjumaru feat though I'm pretty sure Zidane is very high up the planetary range so he'd likely still win anyway.

Pretty sure she's planetary as well so this depends on the same thing as the Zidane fight.

No he CAN'T win:

1. Cloud has an absolutely ridiculous speed advantage.
2. Cloud scales to Solar System - Galaxy level from Sephiroth/Knights of the Round.

Doesn't matter weather or not he could keep his distance, which he can't.
Also Cloud has ranged Limit Breaks anyway so that doubly wouldn't matter.

Which technically still makes him a protagonist, though Zack should be there too if they want to play that game, as should Yuna and Serah.

Noctis has a speed advantage? News to me.
But even if he did, he's outclassed in every other way without scaling to crossover shit.

Nah he legit has a good shot against Clive. You'd need to really stretch what we can take away from the final fight and stars and shit in the background to make that a stomp, but that runs into the same issue as Mundus' shit from DMC1.

Ichigo vs Clive is potentially the closest match here.

Granted Light slaps him silly.

They didn’t exclude Dissidia PSP, NT & Opera Omnia and other crossover games

 

[Adamant soul]

They didn’t exclude Dissidia PSP, NT & Opera Omnia and other crossover games

So we're dealing with basically every protagonist being multiversal and they actually think Ichigo has a snowball's chance in hell against ANY of them.

At least without crossover shit Strawberry can beat a couple (though they funny enough, left out most of the ones he can actually beat) and a couple others are debatable depending on how you interpret the world shaking feat but with that shit, his ass is grass (or a toad, or a card or "insert various other things he can be turned into by Final Fantasy protagonists here").

 

[OtherGalaxy]

You shouldn't, Starsight is the same person that hyperwanks DS based on some of the most faulty evidence possible.

I'm familiar with their ways just seen at least some decent excerpts from Destiny on my own to think it's strong, I just don't trust their interpretations based on seeing how they debate for series they like. Like I know people here hated Catalyst but that guy was bringing in relevant text and not stonewall+downplay comboing the opposition for 90% of his runtime.

I'm also less skeptical of Destiny in general just after seeing how cracked Marathon turned out to be powerwise

 

[Papa Nier]

Not including Dissidia and other crossover games.

1. Probably can win vs Squall if Squall doesn't junction or junction bad. Otherwise no. Would be funny if Squall can draw Ichigo's Getsuga though lmao.

Squall is at least galaxy level+ with his endgame being universe level with FTL+.

2. Should win vs Cecil easily

Cecil is solar system level (was going to say large planet level+, but there are feats of Bahamut creating a pocket dimension with stars, and The Creator's moon vessel is shown to have stars, nebulas, and black holes, and duplicating himself was enough to destroy his moon vessel) and sub-relativistic.

3. He aint beating the guy who beat the Villain that have the power which creates the entire FFV world and possibly other FF as well.

Bartz is multiverse level+ and MFTL+.

4. Is Ichigo planetary?...At least that should be needed to beat Zidane.

Zidane is at least large planet level+ and relativistic+.

5. Who attack first win.

Terra is at least large planet level+ and FTL (because of this: https://www.fanverse.org/blogs/final-fantasy-vi-sun-bath.36860/).

6. Probably can win if Ichigo keep his distance and Cloud doesn't have magic Materia. Otherwise no.

Cloud is solar system level+ or small galaxy level+ and FTL+. The remake games apparently buffed Cloud to multiversal.

7. The fuck is Vincent here for? Thats a Spin-off of another FF!

Same as Cloud.

8. I think this 1 is debatable? Noctis have range and speed advantage but does he have more raw strength than Ichigo? Can Ichigo just Getsuga ??? Noctis attacks?

Noctis is at least multi-continent level, possibly much higher and massively hypersonic+.

9~10. He aint winning.

Clive is planet level and lightspeed. Part 1 Lightning is moon level+ and sub-relativistic, part 2 Lightning is large planet level+ and sub-relativistic.

 

[Adamant soul]

Part 1 Lightning is moon level+ and sub-relativistic, part 2 Lightning is large planet level+ and sub-relativistic.

And Saviour Light (Lightning Returns) is galaxy level+.
Just thought I'd mention that since you left it out.

 

[Salfarc]

I wanna reply to both @Papa Nier and @Adamant soul but idk how to copaste quote here other than just +Quote. I wanna address each point while quotting both each but eh...

That being said tho Papa Nier, I am not sure what you are trying to say in some points like with Clive and Lightning you reply with their tier scaling which in a way sounds like you agree, in another way sounds like you want to dispute what I said.

Also

Noctis has a speed advantage? News to me.
But even if he did, he's outclassed in every other way without scaling to crossover shit.

Noctis is at least multi-continent level, possibly much higher and massively hypersonic+.

Noctis can instantly teleport to nearby area as shown in his fight vs Ardyn, this is without throwing his weapon, with throwing and teleport to his sword the range possibly become wider but the throwing may be slower than Ichigo. Ichigo can be MTFL but he aint beating instant. Idk if his normal speed is massively hypersonic, but by the virtue of having instant teleportation he have speed advantage.

And are you saying he is outclassed in every other way? Thats news to me since a lot of FF fans consider Noctis to be the strongest protag, which I kinda disagree

 

[Adamant soul]

Noctis can instantly teleport to nearby area as shown in his fight vs Ardyn, this is without throwing his weapon, with throwing and teleport to his sword the range possibly become wider but the throwing may be slower than Ichigo. Ichigo can be MTFL but he aint beating instant. Idk if his normal speed is massively hypersonic, but by the virtue of having instant teleportation he have speed advantage.

Uh no, that's NOT how speed or teleportation works.

He can move instantly but when it comes to actually attacking or defending, he's still limited to his actual speed which is substantially slower than Ichigo's. Couple this with spirit energy sensing (yes he'll still sense Noctis because equivalence rule) and even if Noctis teleports behind Ichigo, the latter will still always react and intercept any actual attack he does because he's so much faster than him.

There's a reason Goku doesn't just spam Instant Transmission, 'cause even against people just ON his level, they'll still react to his attack more often than not unless they're caught completely by surprise.

So no, Noctis does NOT have the speed advantage, in any way, shape or form.

And are you saying he is outclassed in every other way? Thats news to me since a lot of FF fans consider Noctis to be the strongest protag, which I kinda disagree

In crossover material he's presented as one of the strongest, but in terms of feats in his own game he is actually one of the weakest BY FAR. I think Firion is the only one he's actually stronger than (yes he's weaker than Vaan and Tidus as well).

 

[Papa Nier]

I wanna reply to both @Papa Nier and @Adamant soul but idk how to copaste quote here other than just +Quote. I wanna address each point while quotting both each but eh...

That being said tho Papa Nier, I am not sure what you are trying to say in some points like with Clive and Lightning you reply with their tier scaling which in a way sounds like you agree, in another way sounds like you want to dispute what I said.

Also




Noctis can instantly teleport to nearby area as shown in his fight vs Ardyn, this is without throwing his weapon, with throwing and teleport to his sword the range possibly become wider but the throwing may be slower than Ichigo. Ichigo can be MTFL but he aint beating instant. Idk if his normal speed is massively hypersonic, but by the virtue of having instant teleportation he have speed advantage.

And are you saying he is outclassed in every other way? Thats news to me since a lot of FF fans consider Noctis to be the strongest protag, which I kinda disagree

I’m just clarifying just to let you know.

 

[Blade]

The remake games apparently buffed Cloud to multiversal.

remake/rebirth has cloud fighting gilgamesh, FFVII's planet is like (it was implicit with the life stream being like the counter force, now its more so explicit) with branching timeline parallel universes, zack's world merged with cloud's briefly which allowed them to fight sephiroth in tandem, sephiroth severed the merger with a sword beam slash). def about universal levels overall, and cvincent at his best scales to this too, same for weiss and possibly genesis (post-doc, since the game is canon)

Clive is planet level and lightspeed

at least planet level+, but yeah, pmuch most of what you said was right, with claire/lightning in the final game being also at least galaxy+ levels/at least relativistic+


anime bleach pmuch zenkaid them so far to planet levels/sub rel, and ichigo literally gets rekt by almost everyone, he might defeat end of game noctis though, but noctis pmuch can still hax him, like how he managed to seal/neg hax ardyn's high level immortality/regen by entering the astral realm and attacking ardyn's soul with his full power royal arms/ring of lightcii powered up by the past kings tech and banishing him

 

[Papa Nier]

So we're dealing with basically every protagonist being multiversal and they actually think Ichigo has a snowball's chance in hell against ANY of them.

At least without crossover shit Strawberry can beat a couple (though they funny enough, left out most of the ones he can actually beat) and a couple others are debatable depending on how you interpret the world shaking feat but with that shit, his ass is grass (or a toad, or a card or "insert various other things he can be turned into by Final Fantasy protagonists here").

Wouldn’t let me put A on the right.

 

[Salfarc]

He can move instantly but when it comes to actually attacking or defending, he's still limited to his actual speed which is substantially slower than Ichigo's.

O no I am not saying his attack is instant, he have speed advantage because he can move instantly Ichigo aint hitting that and cant run from that. He is far more likely to win as he can still hit Ichigo.

People who say he is strongest are also not judging him via crossover.

noctis pmuch can still hax him, like how he managed to seal/neg hax ardyn's high level immortality/regen by entering the astral realm and attacking ardyn's soul with his full power royal arms/ring of lightcii powered up by the past kings tech and banishing him

Noctis can also just summon the Astrals to have number advantage too, don't think he need any hax. But yeah agree this can go both ways...But is Ichigo at least planetary? Anime boost them to planet level but Ichigo beaten by everyone? So is Ichigo planetary?

 

[seth]

According to this nigga, if you've ever been hurt then thats an anti-feat

is the guy a dupe of topples cause that is the sort of moronic thing that guy would say

 

[King]

starlight Also the person who believes that destroying a wooden house is more impressive than destroying a skyscraper

 

[Paxton]

 

[Masterblack06]

by electrical interference he has to mean that someone somehow turns off the neurons sending electric signals in his brain right? cause aint no way accel looses because someone popped an emp

 

[grillmaster]

no they mean wood which can also cause electrical interference
sub wood level, 2x4 level

 

[Paxton]

by electrical interference he has to mean that someone somehow turns off the neurons sending electric signals in his brain right? cause aint no way accel looses because someone popped an emp

Ask Nephthys cutting off his connection with a sprinkler system.

Ask the highway tunnel he had to go through, again, cutting off his connection (I don't recall the volume). Etc.

My goat is WASHED

 

[Paxton]

He's a Magneto victim after all..