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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever

Randomdude said:
Kratos, Im a massive fan of all god of war games and getting anything close to universal requires very, very selective reading of the material. Specifically Im pretty sure most of it comes down to an explanation in god of war 1 where kronos/another titan got punched and created the stars in the sky and kratos getting scaled to that.
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That's Ascension, actually. And its from a Goddess that was never a Primordial deity in the myths no matter who you read, who for some reason was made it for the GOW-verse, that represents the oceans/seas(which should be taken up by Oceanus and Pontus/Thalassa respectively) punching Ouranos, Kronos's father in the face.
 
Astaro said:

Read this entire thread.

I triple dare you

:maybe
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I have, one of the worst threads ive ever seen

OtherGalaxy said:
I mean thats why nobody likes using multiversal characters, but this shit is unfortunately necessary if you’re gonna compare one to another at all
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Tbh, in my opinon, I dont think we really need to. After a certain point it ends up becoming meaningless in the grand scheme of the debate. At that point we end up with pages of dudes just arguing which verse is bigger than the other instead of actually arguing about the fight.
 
Randomdude said:
Kratos, Im a massive fan of all god of war games and getting anything close to universal requires very, very selective reading of the material. Specifically Im pretty sure most of it comes down to an explanation in god of war 1 where kronos/another titan got punched and created the stars in the sky and kratos getting scaled to that.
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you're probably thinking of this



but it's still not "universal"
 
Masterblack06 said:
I have, one of the worst threads ive ever seen


Tbh, in my opinon, I dont think we really need to. After a certain point it ends up becoming meaningless in the grand scheme of the debate. At that point we end up with pages of dudes just arguing which verse is bigger than the other instead of actually arguing about the fight.
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What, you mean to tell me you don't like vs matchups between characters devolving "muh cosmology is le bigger" arguments(which are usually wrong as hell), like a reasonable person in this hobby?

For shame MB.





































You clearly haven't drunk enough of the delusionade cola for this discourse, like most of us. :mjlol
 
Derpmaster9000 said:
What, you mean to tell me you don't like vs matchups between characters devolving "muh cosmology is le bigger" arguments(which are usually wrong as hell), like a reasonable person in this hobby?

For shame MB.





































You clearly haven't drunk enough of the delusionade cola for this discourse, like most of us. :mjlol
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Cause like lets say your verse is bigger than mine. Okay cool, If you cant hit me with shit, then that shit just doesnt fucking matter now does it
:heston
 
Even universal is a bit much for me tbh. "Oh look, both these guys are universal but character A's universe is bigger than character B's so character A wins." Nah bro, universe busting is something that inherently breaks time and space and can't exactly be quantified. If it was two guys who managed to, let's say, 'clear out' a universe then I'd understand because then you're comparing physical matter that can actually be quantified.

Then again this might just be an overreaction because of how this hobby is so focused on biggaversal feats and statements nowadays that it eventually started devolving into comparing cosmology sizes, even when it wouldn't make sense to do so.
 
Flowering Knight said:
Even universal is a bit much for me tbh. "Oh look, both these guys are universal but character A's universe is bigger than character B's so character A wins." Nah bro, universe busting is something that inherently breaks time and space and can't exactly be quantified. If it was two guys who managed to, let's say, 'clear out' a universe then I'd understand because then you're comparing physical matter that can actually be quantified.

Then again this might just be an overreaction because of how this hobby is so focused on biggaversal feats and statements nowadays that it eventually started devolving into comparing cosmology sizes, even when it wouldn't make sense to do so.
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i suggested something similar to this in the tier revision thread

they called me a madman
but what i predicted came to pass
 
Masterblack06 said:
I have, one of the worst threads ive ever seen


Tbh, in my opinon, I dont think we really need to. After a certain point it ends up becoming meaningless in the grand scheme of the debate. At that point we end up with pages of dudes just arguing which verse is bigger than the other instead of actually arguing about the fight.
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well yeah because that’s the only way to decide those kinds of matches, which is why the majority of obd threads have always been between universal and lower characters. You can’t argue in any real way for characters way beyond that without getting into all this nonsense. It’s just unfortunate baggage that comes with those tiers
 
OtherGalaxy said:
well yeah because that’s the only way to decide those kinds of matches, which is why the majority of obd threads have always been between universal and lower characters. You can’t argue in any real way for characters way beyond that without getting into all this nonsense. It’s just unfortunate baggage that comes with those tiers
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idk I feel like you can, but people dont actually focus on the fight they only argue which verse is bigger and ignore any other aspects of the fight because in their mind "oh my verse is bigger, that means I just autowin the fight" when we all know that thats not how that shit works. it is and always has been a case by case basis. You can have a bigger verse and still get your ass folded
 
Masterblack06 said:
idk I feel like you can, but people dont actually focus on the fight they only argue which verse is bigger and ignore any other aspects of the fight because in their mind "oh my verse is bigger, that means I just autowin the fight" when we all know that thats not how that shit works. it is and always has been a case by case basis. You can have a bigger verse and still get your ass folded
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I get what you’re saying in theory but in practice I’m not really sure how it would be debated

eg if you were asked to explain how Galactus beats Unicron without resorting to any of this convoluted cosmology nonsense, how would you even go about that? I can’t see any angle where you can make the case without unfortunately getting into that rabbit hole of fuck
 
OtherGalaxy said:
I get what you’re saying in theory but in practice I’m not really sure how it would be debated

eg if you were asked to explain how Galactus beats Unicron without resorting to any of this convoluted cosmology nonsense, how would you even go about that? I can’t see any angle where you can make the case without unfortunately getting into that rabbit hole of fuck
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agenda/vibes scaling

Unicron wins, of course
 
the thing is i dont necessarily think unicron wins i just have zero clue how anyone could come to that conclusion without getting into the cluster migraine that is cosmology scaling
 
OtherGalaxy said:
I get what you’re saying in theory but in practice I’m not really sure how it would be debated

eg if you were asked to explain how Galactus beats Unicron without resorting to any of this convoluted cosmology nonsense, how would you even go about that? I can’t see any angle where you can make the case without unfortunately getting into that rabbit hole of fuck
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Just look at what they've done and what they are able to do. Lets say that Unicron had the UN and Galactus didnt. It wouldnt matter if Marvel was bigger than Transformers, Galactus would have gotten his ass yeeted into oblivion.

Size isnt always the answer, the same way biggatons isnt always the answer or hax isnt always the answer. Its a case by case situation.
 
And before i get someone trying to say something stupid
I mean that if the UN never existed in marvel and instead was part of Unicrons kit instead.
 
Masterblack06 said:
Just look at what they've done and what they are able to do. Lets say that Unicron had the UN and Galactus didnt. It wouldnt matter if Marvel was bigger than Transformers, Galactus would have gotten his ass yeeted into oblivion.

Size isnt always the answer, the same way biggatons isnt always the answer or hax isnt always the answer. Its a case by case situation.
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is the former not relevant to the latter though? in establishing what it means to reasonably resist a given ability I mean.
 
Paxton said:
in all seriousness someone needs to save Lightning bro she's gonna get her ass beat
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the last thing lightning sees
shin-megami-tensei-smt.gif
 
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