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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever

What diff does base Aizen give Shikai Yamamoto?

No KS. Aizen basically admitted inferiority in a direct confrontation, so what difficulty would he give Yamamoto.
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I love how Mar and Sables consistently accuse other people of bias with regards to Yamamoto, even as they jump through every hoop under the sun to ignore the fact that Aizen blatantly admitted he would LOSE to Yamamoto and did everything possible to avoid fighting him at all.

"Oh but he clearly wasn't taking KS into account." Never mind the fact that he ALWAYS uses KS in basically every fight he has until the Hogyoku started working and he didn't need it anymore. This is literally the character who said "since when were you under the impression I wasn't using Kyouka Suigetsu" and the distinction is actually made when a statement involving Aizen's power DOESN'T take the sword into account (ie Gin's statement concerning the Espada).

"He could have been referring to Yamamoto's Bankai." Yes that's why he specifically used it's Shikai's name in Ryujin Jakka, because that and Zan no Tachi are totally the same thing right? Never mind the fact he created Wonderweiss to take Yamamoto's Zanpaktou out of the equation, FULL STOP! Considering what the Nazis did, if he had wanted to just remove the Bankai from the equation, do you seriously believe he couldn't?

"But Aizen also said he was unrivalled." Because Aizen is arrogant beyond belief. The clear difference between THIS statement and the OTHER ones concerning Yamamoto and Urahara, is that ONE of them is demonstrably wrong just by sheer feats and the other two actually have evidence to support them being correct. Also it's fairly self-explanatory that if an arrogant character praises someone else, they're probably being genuine about it as it's not something they would normally do.

"Saying he might lose a contest of strength is NOT the same as saying he'd lose, especially because KS prevents such a thing." It sure as fuck DOES when this is the same character who said "Battles between Soul Reapers are battles of reiatsu" and when we even have the fucking author saying that "fighting Unohana would have EXHAUSTED him". Oh but obviously that doesn't count KS, Kubo only wrote KS into every single major fight Aizen has when not transformed and didn't make the distinction....oh wait. :maybe

"But Yamamoto was going to nuke EVERYBODY to get him and Unohana said NONE of them could win so..." Because KS is a bitch yes and Yamamoto wanted to make sure his attack HIT and KILLED him. It was a different fucking story when Yamamoto actually had a hold of him or was in range to hit him, with Wonderweiss IMMEDIATELY getting involved at that point and Yamamoto breaking Aizen's skin with sheer grip strength.

But nah, people just rate Yamamoto (and Base Moustache and True Shikai Ichigo) highly because of "bias" and "benefit of the doubt" and "Cope" and everything else we can think of because we don't have an actual argument beyond ignoring what both the manga and anime explicitly show and tell us. :really
 
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B Rabbit said:

Zoro vs Old Gaban

Who wins, current versions for both.
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Scopper pushes Luffy and Zoro to go to their ultimate forms

"Zoro extreme diffs Scopper"

Gentlemen, no matter what drugs you are on. Always stay away from the Zoro wank. It will scramble your brain to places no modern medicine can fix.
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I love how op fans consistently get “conclusions” like this from like, a single panel where what they’re saying happened isn’t even implied
 
B Rabbit said:

Zoro vs Old Gaban

Who wins, current versions for both.
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Scopper pushes Luffy and Zoro to go to their ultimate forms

"Zoro extreme diffs Scopper"

Gentlemen, no matter what drugs you are on. Always stay away from the Zoro wank. It will scramble your brain to places no modern medicine can fix.
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Remember how OP fans spent like four years genuinely believing that Zoro was going to be the one to kill Kaido? :skully
 
Xhominid The Apex said:
All I'm gonna say is this:

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Also known by its full name, Cyber Troopers Virtual-ON is a fast-paced mecha fighting game by Sega. Most of the games' mecha designs are by Hajime Katoki, one of the more famous mecha designers for many Gundam series. List of games: Cyber …
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We are gonna talk about this and talk about it we shall...
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Interesting little fact. The crossover is canon for Virtual-On side, being part of the global story. The official website says something like this: "someone wanted to use Tangram, so he ran away to another world(index), Touma said something in the game, so Tangram decided to return to his world". Literally character development in a crossover.
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Interesting little fact. The crossover is canon for Virtual-On side, being part of the global story. The official website says something like this: "someone wanted to use Tangram, so he ran away to another world(index), Touma said something in the game, so Tangram decided to return to his world". Literally character development in a crossover.
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I've actually thought about doing a Virtual-On thread at some point, where does it say this?
 
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I've actually thought about doing a Virtual-On thread at some point, where does it say this?
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たとえば、地球が星紀暦という暦を用いている世界では、電脳暦における時系列が圧縮される形で挿入され、不可思議な事態が発生した。そもそも星紀暦の世界とは、複数の世界線が交叉する風変わりな時空間で、人型機動兵器の集結が頻繁に起こるという特徴がある（このような世界は多元的に並立しており、さらに、そういった並立世界群が複数存在する事例もあるとされる）。ここでタングラムは、VCa8年以降の電脳暦における事象（主にVRと、そのパイロット）をトランス・コンバートによって持ちこみ、現地の紛争に介入した。そうせざるを得なかったのは、後述するダイモンの関与があったためとも考えられるが、彼女自身がこの災厄を招き寄せた可能性も否定できない。事態の収束を図るべくファイユーヴも現地へ赴き、ただ残念ながら、例によって彼女自身が現地の人々との交流を楽しんでしまい、速やかな解決には至らなかった。
また、学園都市と呼ばれる極東の大都市を中心に、独自の科学技術と魔術が混淆する世界を見いだしたタングラムが、これに接触を試みた事案も共有されている。こちらは話がやや複雑で、事の発端はオラトリオ・タングラムに遡る。過酷な戦闘を経てタングラムへのアクセス権を得た者がそれを行使した際、彼女に拒絶されて並行宇宙に転送された例は少なからずあったらしい。彼らの多くはそうと知ることもなく、放りこまれた別の世界での生活を全うしたものと思われるが、それとは別に、転送に失敗してCISを永劫彷徨う羽目になった者も存在した。おそらく彼らは自らの運命を呪いながら事切れていったことだろうが、そのような場合、Vコンバータに搭乗者の残留思念が色濃く蒸着する可能性がある。ただし、CIS内ではVコンバータも稼働時間に限りがあるため、程なく自壊してしまう。あるいはそうなるはずだった。
事態を面倒にしたのは、アイザーマン博士である。博士は、オラトリオ・タングラムの最中にあってタングラムが現界に保持されていないのではないかと疑っており、すでにCISへと姿を消したものと予想していた。確証を得るためCISにVRを放つことを決意、サイファー2000と呼ばれる機体を特別仕様に仕立てあげた。生還が保障できなかったので、パイロットについては正規の人材を諦め、生体リソースのメンタル・モジュールを使用した。博士はこの機体を戯れに「ストーカー」と呼び、都合6機をCISへと放った。内、3機がCIS突入に失敗して全損、2機が帰還し、残る1機は未帰還となった。帰還機から得た情報によって、現界におけるタングラムの不在を確信した博士は、それで気が済んだのか、未帰還機の回収には無頓着だった。おかげで、失われた機体のその後の消息は不明となった。
しかし、別世界に存在する学園都市では「ブルーストーカー」なるサイファー2000に酷似した機体が出現しており、ここから、ある種の仮説が構築しうる。アイザーマン博士の放ったVR「ストーカー」は、CIS内を長期間巡航する能力を持ち、同時に、タングラムの行方を探るための超高感度センサーを多数装備していた。あくまでも推測の域を出ないが、タングラムによってCISに転送されたVRないしはその残骸に残るパイロット達の残留思念が、このセンサーに引き寄せられるように集まり、機体に浸透、凝縮されていった可能性は否定できない。
多くの妄執に憑依されたVRは、彼らが求めるままタングラムの行方を追い、CIS内を彷徨う。やがてたどり着いた先の世界で「ブルーストーカー」へと転生する。これに対してタングラムの事象転送機能は防衛的に働き、トランス・コンバートによって自身の生みの親であるリリン・プラジナーに擬した人格が生まれた。後に彼女は自らを富良科凛鈴と名乗り、ブルーストーカーと相対する。両者の邂逅が学園都市融解の危機を招いたとするファイユーヴの報告が真実なら、タングラムの介在によって異世界が被るインパクトの大きさは、看過しえないものがある。
ファイユーヴを介して逐次共有される話に憂慮の度合いを深めたリリン・プラジナーは、タングラム召喚の是非について検討を始める。やがてこれが実行に移された時、彼女は新たな敵ダイモンと対峙することになるが、それについてはあらためて後述する。
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For example, in a world that uses the Stellar Calendar, the time sequences from the cyber calendar were inserted in a compressed form, leading to mysterious events. The world of the Stellar Calendar is, in fact, an unusual spacetime where multiple worldlines intersect, and the convergence of humanoid mobile weapons happens frequently (it is believed that such worlds exist in a pluralistic parallel state, and there are also cases where multiple such parallel world groups exist). Here, Tangram intervened in local conflicts by using Trans-Convert to import events from the cyber calendar after the year VCa8 (mainly VR and its pilot). This intervention was perhaps forced due to the later-described involvement of the Daimon, but it cannot be denied that she herself might have invited this disaster. To try to stabilize the situation, Faiuve also went to the site, but unfortunately, as usual, she enjoyed interacting with the local people and did not reach a swift resolution.

Additionally, there is information about Tangram attempting to establish contact with a world centered around a large city known as Academy City, where unique scientific technology and magic are blended. The situation here is somewhat more complex, with its origins tracing back to Oratorio Tangram. After fierce battles, many who gained access to Tangram tried to use it, but when they did, they were sometimes rejected and transferred to parallel universes. Many of them likely did not realize this and carried on living in another world, but separately, there were those who failed to transfer and ended up wandering indefinitely in the CIS. They probably cursed their fate as they faded away, but in such cases, there is a possibility that the residual cognitive remains of the pilot became densely attached to the V Converter. However, since the V Converter has limited operational time, it was expected to self-destruct soon. Or at least, that was supposed to happen.

The situation was complicated by Dr. Aizaman. The doctor suspected that during Oratorio Tangram, Tangram was not being held in the real world and anticipated that she had already disappeared into the CIS. To gain confirmation, he decided to send a VR into the CIS and customized a unit called Cypher 2000 into a special version. Since survival could not be guaranteed, he abandoned the use of regular pilots and opted for utilizing a biological resource with a mental module. The doctor whimsically named this unit "Stalker," and he sent a total of six units into the CIS. Of these, three failed to enter the CIS and were completely lost, two returned, and one remained unaccounted for. With the information acquired from the returned units, the doctor became convinced of Tangram's absence in the real world and perhaps felt satisfied with that, thus showing no concern for the recovery of the missing unit. Because of this, the subsequent fate of the lost unit became unclear.

However, in the Academy City existing in another universe, a unit strikingly similar to Cypher 2000, called "Blue Stalker," appeared, allowing for some sort of hypothesis to be constructed. The VR "Stalker" thrown by Dr. Aizaman had the capability of long-distance cruising within the CIS and was equipped with numerous ultra-sensitive sensors for searching for Tangram. Although this remains merely a conjecture, it cannot be denied that the residual consciousness of the pilots sent by Tangram to the CIS or their remnants gathered together, permeated, and condensed within this unit.

The VR possessed by numerous obsessions searched as they wished for the whereabouts of Tangram, wandering through the CIS until eventually transforming into "Blue Stalker" in the world they reached. In contrast, Tangram's event transport function acted defensively, creating a persona resembling its progenitor, Lilin Plazhina, through Trans-Convert. Later, she named herself Furakasa Rinsuzu and confronted Blue Stalker. If the report by Faiuve asserting that the encounter of the two beings led to a crisis for the dissolution of the Academy City is accurate, then the impact of Tangram's involvement on the other world is significant and cannot be overlooked.

Deepening her concerns regarding the matters conveyed through Faiuve, Lilin Plazhina began to consider the pros and cons of summoning Tangram. Ultimately, when this was put into action, she would confront a new enemy, Daimon, but this will be further elaborated upon later.
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Chat gpt translate btw
 

Knew the thread was gonna be shit before I even entered it and waited for the inevitable because of the typical shit:
It has something in the Nasuverse in it so SB can't keep their hateboner in their pants
It has something from Seven Deadly Sins which is wanked to fuck in Spacebattles
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Match made perfectly in Stockholm...

EDIT: And I'm correct as per usual...
Bitching about where Artoria sits at in the powerscale despite dudes literally bringing in shit from Garden of Avalon itself where Lancelot goes from "Shit, that dude is a nobody getting by bluffing and a twink" to literally going "OH MY FUCK! HE'S THE REAL THING" seeing her actually fight once... because it's somehow unbelievable she's onpar with Karna and Siegfried... despite Extella once again existing and showing that to be easily true.
They are even using the Mordred scene wrong because it took everything Mordred had to even disarm Artoria and it's implied in the anime how effortlessly Artoria blitzed the shit out of her, Artoria wasn't going all out.
 
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