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DBZ/GT Toeiland power

Gordo said:
Apparently Elder Kai flat out said Super Baby Vegeta 2 had the strongest ki he’s ever felt

Should be the final nail in the coffin since Elder Kai sensed Vegetto’s ki
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Don’t remember that, all I know is that the dub had Old Kai call Super Baby 2’s power “immeasurable”

Episode 31
Time: 12m30s
Context: Goku is ready to go back to Earth to fight Baby
Goku: "Hurry up and return me to Earth, okay? This time, I'll get him for sure!"
Elder Kaioshin: "You can't! With your current power, you cannot defeat Baby, now that he's taken over Vegeta's body and absorbed the Saiyan power from Gohan and the others, reaching his strongest form. [ ] After matching up against him at Super Saiyan 3, you yourself should know that well. If Kibit-Kaioshin hadn't rescued you from there, you'd be dead right now."
Goku: "But if we leave him alone, he'll take everyone on Earth and..."
Kibitoshin: "That's why, Goku, we're going to have you train here on this holy ground."
Goku: "Really!? Kaioshin-sama, you guys are going to train me? Wow! I'm so excited!"
Note: In the dub, Elder Kaioshin says Baby's power is immeasurable, that Goku can't sustain Super Saiyan 3 anymore, and if Goku fights him now he'll die.

I know people have said that from time to time, but no one has ever posted a screencap or a vid of it
 
Goku + Vegeta fusions are always insane and you’d have to be blind or willfully ignorant to deny that

Also

GT Perfect Files on Stuff and Whatnot • Kanzenshuu

www.kanzenshuu.com

Son Goku
In this form, he fought with Redic, General Rild, Super Baby, and others!! His body’s strength doesn’t seem to be any different than when he was an adult, but apparently his small body has diminished his stamina.
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So yeah, the headcanon of Goku being weaker as a child is shot down

Speaks for itself

The only somewhat contradictory stuff is the SSJ2 section, but the Perfect Files in general is a reliable supplementary guide for GT
 

銀河をゆるがす邪悪な波動!

An evil wave that shakes the galaxy!


銀河ギリギリ!! ぶっちぎりの凄い奴
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The Galaxy in Danger!! The Super Incredible Man


 

Battle Power Guide | TV Series and Movies

A complete listing of every battle power / power level spoken or otherwise noted in the Dragon Ball franchise's TV series and movies adaptations
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Kind of a bit thing, but might as well put it here
 
VSB also mentioned about this.

Small addition to Majin Buu

A being called Majin Buu was created millions of years ago to cause destruction and satisfy the evil desires of the wizard Bibidi, even causing the death of several Kaioshins, but the creature was sealed in an egg and meanwhile the Supreme Kais killed Bibidi...
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Yeaaaaaaah

How did this fly over so many people’s heads lmao

Goku’s line about Kid Buu destroying alien planets makes him pretty blatantly FTL in the manga
 


Son Goku

The strongest hero across the universe!

Everyone knows, the strongest superhero in the universe! In the beginning of the story, he was still a child, and now he has become a grandfather with the same vigor. His personality is still the same. However, this time, due to the magical power of the Ultimate Dragon Balls, he has turned back into a child! In order to find the Ultimate Dragon Balls scattered throughout the universe, he embarks on adventure after adventure with his granddaughter Pan. After turning into a child, he can't use the Instant Transmission ability, but his strength and determination are just as strong as before.

Dan Dan Goku >>>>>>>>>>>>> all
 
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Just gonna copypaste what I posted on NF

Omega Shenron’s power boost:

Episode 59
Time: 5m30s
Yi Xing Long: “This is an unbelievable power up, even if I do say so myself. I’m ten times greater than before…perhaps even more! Not being able to see it, you might not believe it, but just by using the slightest power, everything around has been blown away!”

Syn Shenron is stronger than SSJ4 Goku before the latter surpassed his limits, and is also more powerful than Super 17 at his peak, who was superior to SSJ4 Goku as well.

Episode 57
Time: Around 22m55s
(Context: End of episode narration.)
Narrator: Amazingly, the Times Ten Kamehameha had no effect against Yi Xing Long, who is in a different league than all the opponents up until now!

Episode 59
Time: around 2m10s
Context: Beginning episode narration
Narrator: “After having been saved from a desperate pinch by Gohan and the others, Goku succeeded in absorbing enough energy from them to surpass even Super Saiyan 4! It appeared as though the fight to the death between him and Yi Xing Long, his most powerful enemy, had come to a conclusion by means of a Times Ten Kamehame-Ha.”

Just typical DB power creep, though people seem to forget this stuff because it’s GT
 
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Really though, Baby’s superiority to everything in Z has already been established beforehand




I’ve posted those way too many times but apparently not enough
 
The movie guide for Movie 11 states Gotenks is strong enough to overwhelm Buu, so it likely is talking about Super Buu

Even ignoring the fact Gotenks used Ghost Kamikaze in the movie
 
Gordo said:
Even ignoring the fact Gotenks used Ghost Kamikaze in the movie
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On that note, Goku did feel Super Boo’s ki when he first emerged and he’d have kept track until Boo entered the ROSAT. That much would be certain for M12.

You’d have to argue Boo was suppressed when he just appeared and when he was on the lookout, but I don’t think there’s much supporting that
 
Gonna add the line from the Movie 12 magazine here




Gotenks

A super warrior born from the fusion of Goten and Trunks. His strength was enough to overwhelm even Majin Buu. However, even though he becomes stronger, his mischievous nature remains unchanged, and his tendency to be careless is his flaw.

It seems to acknowledges him overpowering Super Buu, so the writers of the movie were fully aware about that fact
 
Some DB Forever stuff

Vegetto is the strongest warrior in history (kinda obvious in the context of Z but it’s always good to have here anyways)



Even with Gohan’s power, Buu was easily handled by Vegetto. He is undoubtedly the strongest warrior in history!
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Quarter Saiyans are stated to have greater potential than full blooded Saiyans



Their homeland is the now-extinct Planet Vegeta, home to the warrior race. Compared to pure Saiyans, the half-Saiyans or quarter-Saiyans born on Earth possess even greater abilities.
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Power level list below, it just reprints the same ones from previous guides



Interestingly enough, it implies Raditz fight Goku isn’t any different than 23rd Budokai Goku



After training with Kami, Goku’s power nearly doubled. When he gathers energy for the Kamehameha, his power level rises to nearly 1,000!
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Buu wrecking Universe and confirmed Toei DBZ/DB Kai and Canon DBZ is MFTL.

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バビディはかつて宇宙中で破壊の限りを尽くした、「ブウ」という とてつもなく恐ろしい魔人の復活を企んでいた。
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Babidi was plotting to revive the terrifying demon "Buu," who had once wreaked havoc across the universe.

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Perfect Cell is threat to Universe. This is during him transform into Perfect Form.


Narrator mentioned about Perfect Cell will lead the universe to devastation.

Dragon Ball Kai Preview mentioned of the same thing.

セルは太陽拳を使ってみんなの目をくらませ、ついに18号を吸 収することに成功した。先球に包まれ完全体へ変化していくセ ルが放射する邪悪な気に、天は風雲で覆われ、大気は震え、海 は荒れ、嵐が巻き起こる。その様子は、地球から遠く離れたナ メック星人たちの住む星にも伝わり、最長老とデンデは全宇宙 の崩壊を予見した。光球はトランクスの攻撃をはじき返す。な す術もなく見守るしかないクリリンと16号。ブルマに説明しな がら絶望にかられるピッコロ。そして完全体となったセルが、 みんなの前にその姿をあらわしたのだった。

Accourding to Google Translate.
Chat GPT
 
I do remember the Namekians’ feeling Cell’s power all the way from New Namek
 
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