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Solar Sailor said:
Did they just completely retcon Season 3 by what they say?

So it’s an alternate timeline?
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It only retcons Phantom Planet. The rest of season 3 still happened though. And I get it, people didn't like it and I'm fine with that, my issue is that it was done a bad way as it looked as though they hated what Danny achieved and simple want to just repeat it but there own way. His drive and goal is the same in the general sense so it's a bad reason for him to choose to return to the status quo. I don't care that they did it, I just think the reasoning given was terrible.
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Solar Sailor said:
I know it sounds “illogical” considering the fact that Goku, Batman, and Lady Shiva are legit martial artists

But you take into consideration the fact that The diversity of Superman’s opponents vastly differ from Goku’s in terms of powers, haxs and approaches and it’s a completely different story


That’s not really the point. It’s the fact that Superman is used to different types of enemies that don’t play fair and thus he’s demonstrated clear creativity and problem solving skills in the heat of combat.

What’s more impressive, defeating an opponent 1v1 or defeating an opponent using civilians as meat sheilds—all while managing to leave all the civilians unharmed?
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This example isn't really as clear-cut as you're presenting it, as it depends on other factors too, like how strong/fast and intelligent the opponent is.

I know where you're going with it, but most villains who tried this with Clark weren't on his level at all, and he should've been more than fast enough to just blitz and get them away from the civilians.

Also, in a fight with Goku, who isn't going to use any underhanded tactics that Clark would need to find a solution around, either because his power is hamstringed by the plot, or the villain is legit on his level or superior, a lot of that problem solving isn't as useful against Goku. Most of the fight is going to be in close-quarters, because that's how Goku prefers to do things, get in close and personal.

You might go, "Oh, well Superman figures that out quick and just maintains his distance while figuring out a counter-strategy" except teleportation kinda ruins that, as Goku can always get right in his grill and force the fight back into melee, and he can do so at any angle, while also spamming teleportation with his martial arts moves, if he wants to.

Sometimes simplicity is key, and seeing as neither would be fighting to the death, you can't even answer Clark trying to fry him or freeze him to death(not that either of those would really work, unless we pull Clark's retarded high-ends, because lul DC)
 
Derpmaster9000 said:
Sometimes simplicity is key, and seeing as neither would be fighting to the death, you can't even answer Clark trying to fry him or freeze him to death
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Clark uses his Super XRay vision to find the part of Goku's brain responsible for Ki Management, gives him a quick Lobotomy, or just uses his superior speed to fracture his vertibre to paralyze him.

Clark is far more inventive with his powers, and if he doesn't want to kill someone he is close to in power (Which Goku isn't, except maybe Xeno Goku) he has a lot of options
 
Sigismund said:
Clark uses his Super XRay vision to find the part of Goku's brain responsible for Ki Management, gives him a quick Lobotomy, or just uses his superior speed to fracture his vertibre to paralyze him.
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There is no part of Goku's brain responsible for 'Ki management' though? Also the one example I can think of for a lobotomy, didn't even happen in the original comic, with Manchester Black. Also, since we're not talking a death battle or anything here, that's out of character for Clark, unless he's recently started doing that in the comics, in which case, fair enough(sorta).

Also, I'm assuming you're just compositing Clark here a little, because he'd need to be relative to Goku's power, in order to pull that vertibre trick, even with superior speed. If so, I'll bow out because Clark's power gets to ridiculous levels in that case. If not, and we're talking New 52 or Post-Crisis, which mostly have him at universal at his highest, then it simply comes down to the multiplier game and shit, and just how much upscaling, as that's a factor too.

Either way, I can tell this'll start turning into a full-on Goku vs Superman debate, and those always end up going terribly by the end, so I'll just leave it at that. :mjlol
 
Derpmaster9000 said:
There is no part of Goku's brain responsible for 'Ki management' though? Also the one example I can think of for a lobotomy, didn't even happen in the original comic, with Manchester Black. Also, since we're not talking a death battle or anything here, that's out of character for Clark, unless he's recently started doing that in the comics, in which case, fair enough(sorta).

Also, I'm assuming you're just compositing Clark here a little, because he'd need to be relative to Goku's power, in order to pull that vertibre trick, even with superior speed. If so, I'll bow out because Clark's power gets to ridiculous levels in that case. If not, and we're talking New 52 or Post-Crisis, which mostly have him at universal at his highest, then it simply comes down to the multiplier game and shit, and just how much upscaling, as that's a factor too.

Either way, I can tell this'll start turning into a full-on Goku vs Superman debate, and those always end up going terribly by the end, so I'll just leave it at that. :mjlol
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The Crown Chakra would be that since DBS does allude to the Chakra being used for the Super Saiyan Transformation ("EG the Lower Back Tingle was the stomach Chakra") . Adding in Toriyama's S-Cells, those would stand out to Clark on what to target. Toriyamas own words confirm that its the amount of S-Cells that allow for a Super Saiyan transformation, so burning out enough of those and boom. We all know an off guard base Goku's jobs to lazers.

Even if the Manchester Black was a movie only, Clark does have the necessary tools to still do that, especially since He and Bruce knows Hal Jordan has done that exact same thing before.

This is also not counting the still massive speed gap, which has always been in Clarks favor.


But as you say this goes a bit to much into GvS territory, but Clark has a wider skill set, wider powers, more variety of opponents he has fought, and a lot more allies with weird powers to take inspiration from.
 
I never thought I'd live to see the day where multiversal danny phantom is a thing :mjgrin
 
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