The absolute highest possible interpretation? Omniversal+ (or above endless recursive layers each infinitely greater than the last), with back up from Gurren Lagann being part of the Triggerverse with cameos from characters in KLK and PSG (with a Dark Tower-esque recursion seen in KLK). There's also apparently some more stuff in Gridman Universe, but I've yet to see that and I'm trying to avoid spoilers for it so ask me again in a few months.Also, again, it's Grant Morrison. Any single feat he does you have to read 100 of his other works to fully contextualize or you're just coming up with headcanon. I'm going to have to sit down and (sigh) read New 52 to see what this is about.
I like Raven more, but it really sounds like Jean should have won. DB is owned by Warner Brothers I am starting to think if they can find a way for DC to win they will.
Seeing this made me realize...
@Stocking Anarchy what's the highest interpretation you can get Simon would it be enough to take on what Death Battle considers Trigon level beings (Because that's the level they're gonna end up scaling White Lantern Kyle to because Nekron is from the Godsphere)?
Would Kyle Rayner be able to "Time huh? Thanks for the tip" Simon?The absolute highest possible interpretation? Omniversal+ (or above endless recursive layers each infinitely greater than the last), with back up from Gurren Lagann being part of the Triggerverse with cameos from characters in KLK and PSG (with a Dark Tower-esque recursion seen in KLK). There's also apparently some more stuff in Gridman Universe, but I've yet to see that and I'm trying to avoid spoilers for it so ask me again in a few months.
Trigger-verse feats, lore & respect discussion
I finally have it; what might just be the final artbook/guidebook for Gurren Lagann (there are other books, but from the looks of it a lot of it is stuff I've already looked over). Gurren Lagann Image Board contains images from the storyboards that they used to make the show. It has barely any...onelastforum.com
There's also the final Otoko (CD drama), in which the Simon of the Otoko world draws the story of Gurren Lagann as a manga, but his Spiral Power links the two universes, causing Avant (prologue) Simon to appear and absorb Otoko Simon. In the manga version of Otoko (which admittedly only adapts the first 3 Otokos, and not the 4th and final Otoko with the meta stuff), the Otoko timeline is one of the timelines prime timeline Simon absorbs. This one's weirder, but it relies less on crossovers.
Trigger-verse feats, lore & respect discussion
I finally have it; what might just be the final artbook/guidebook for Gurren Lagann (there are other books, but from the looks of it a lot of it is stuff I've already looked over). Gurren Lagann Image Board contains images from the storyboards that they used to make the show. It has barely any...onelastforum.com
Based on evidence I can 100% confirm though, at least megaversal (in the classic OBD sense of the term, in that there are several named multiverses and others which Simon can effect).
Ya better off asking @Sigismund on how WL Kyle really stacks upWould Kyle Rayner be able to "Time huh? Thanks for the tip" Simon?
Death Battle plays it fast and loose with DC cosmology. Here is a rough scaling chain for White Lantern going by how Death Battle thinks (AKA not reality)
White Lantern Kyle > Nekron > Spectre > Lords of Order who are godsphere tier >conceptually above> Infinite bleed space > 11-D Orrery of Worlds (52 MWI universes, each 100 trillion light years)
In reality, White Lantern Kyle was dealing with an emanation of Nekron, not the real conceptual form, ditto for Nekron harming Spectre and for the Lords of Order, but I digress. How would Simon stack up to this?
Nah, Black Lantern Hal was able to conjuer and control the full Nekron to kill Volthoom, White Lantern Kyle scales well above Black Lantern Hal.Would Kyle Rayner be able to "Time huh? Thanks for the tip" Simon?
Death Battle plays it fast and loose with DC cosmology. Here is a rough scaling chain for White Lantern going by how Death Battle thinks (AKA not reality)
White Lantern Kyle > Nekron > Spectre > Lords of Order who are godsphere tier >conceptually above> Infinite bleed space > 11-D Orrery of Worlds (52 MWI universes, each 100 trillion light years)
In reality, White Lantern Kyle was dealing with an emanation of Nekron, not the real conceptual form, ditto for Nekron harming Spectre and for the Lords of Order, but I digress. How would Simon stack up to this?
YepGuts vs Dimitri eh?
YesDon't know anything about the FE game that Dimitri is from.
Is he at least a cool character?
Beyonder seeing himself as fodder to the Phoenix in The White Hot Room puts her far more casually on that scale. With the omniverse level characters Raven scales to, most of them are a bit of a reach, and even being lenient she clearly isn't vastly above any of them unlike Jean w/The Beyonder.The real major reasonings were:
-Both scales to destroying their entire cosmologies so power and speed was equal
-Several of their haxxes and abilities cancelled one another out (telepathy, time manip, energy absorption, etc)
-Raven can regenerate from her soul’s complete destruction (mid godly regen) and this could come back from essentially anything Jean could do to her.
Other Phoenix hosts (which Jean scales to as the best of them all) can withstand Ghost Rider's hellfire .-Meanwhile Jean didn’t actually have much in terms of soul Manip resistances and couldn’t come back from complete soul destruction via just the Phoenix itself (the Phoenix itself couldn’t restore Jean’s soul when it was shattered), and the Phoenix itself being utterly destroyed would take too long to resurrect (anywhere from days to centuries. Too long for DB win standards).
Basically, they pulled another Obito vs Vader, in a sense.Beyonder seeing himself as fodder to the Phoenix in The White Hot Room puts her far more casually on that scale. With the omniverse level characters Raven scales to, most of them are a bit of a reach, and even being lenient she clearly isn't vastly above any of them unlike Jean w/The Beyonder.
Except Jean has way greater showings as far as time and mind manipulation go.
Existence erasure >>>>> soul erasure.
(http://imgur.com/a/GHMNPZt) (http://imgur.com/a/4hCNanL)
Surviving the latter won't be enough against the former. With the former you will not only no longer exist, it will be as if you never existed to begin with.
Other Phoenix hosts (which Jean scales to as the best of them all) can withstand Ghost Rider's hellfire .
Now, I get you're just listing out their reasonings and you may not agree with them yourself. I just wanted to show how easy their arguments are to tear apart
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