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2B is the one on the right, but I'm not too sure who the one on the left is. Is it Alita by any chance?
So Island Level Korra huh
i would hesitate on that considering some of them do buy Universal DMC
Its shit like this i why i give thanks to DB fot not going all the way with itThe bit I laughed at there the most was them attacking his assumptions, with their own assumptions, and exposing just how liberally the word 'infinite' is being treated there by them. I remember a time where truly infinite distance crossing feats that were legit were few and far between, because the line between what was feasible and what was hyperbole was thin enough. All it took was one statement about their being a beginning or an end to it, and boom, it can't be considered infinite then. Because infinite just is, with no beginning or end like other numbers, since it technically isn't one. But no, nowadays, lets just throw that shit around like hot-cakes. Why not?
ExactlyThe bit I laughed at there the most was them attacking his assumptions, with their own assumptions, and exposing just how liberally the word 'infinite' is being treated there by them. I remember a time where truly infinite distance crossing feats that were legit were few and far between, because the line between what was feasible and what was hyperbole was thin enough. All it took was one statement about their being a beginning or an end to it, and boom, it can't be considered infinite then. Because infinite just is, with no beginning or end like other numbers, since it technically isn't one. But no, nowadays, lets just throw that shit around like hot-cakes. Why not?
nowadays almost anybody can be consdiered to have Infinite Speed based on the flimsy shit possible
Edward Nygma
Illustrious
Infinite speed is dumb, regardless. You can't defend the concept without dividing by 0 or infinity (not a number, not applicable to math).
Dumb.
I've honestly never understood how people scoff at FTL KE, but this shit flies for some reason.
Dumb.
I've honestly never understood how people scoff at FTL KE, but this shit flies for some reason.
You're not wrong that it's stupid, but I think the reason is mostly just ease of application. We don't know what would happen with KE beyond the speed of light because physics doesn't allow for it (as far as I know anyway) so short of a blanket "everyone FTL hits infinitely hard" or just scaling straight up past normal KE we can't really use it.
Meanwhile infinite speed is functionally a non-hax time stop. You can take infinite actions before any time passes. It doesn't make sense logically but we can still easily determine what would happen.
Edward Nygma
Illustrious
Maybe I'm just slow. I'm really not seeing a strong distinction, here.
Hitting with an infinite amount of energy sounds just as dumb as taking an infinite amount of actions.
Besides, this doesn't even track with how we get most infinite speed feats. It's not usually a matter of someone accomplishing things before any time can pass, it's usually really wanky interpretations of timeless spaces. A fictional concept that we should honestly just ignore. Authors throw that in as a cool contradiction to reality, to give their new realm an otherworldly vibe. It's not meant to interact with the abilities of the characters, like say, 0g or an oxygenless environment. It's not meant to be a challenge/obstacle. It's just a cool backdrop. (most of the time. yes, I saw the GER fight. shut up)
Crossing an infinite distance also isn't "doing stuff with no time passing". Like, time is literally passing during the feat. This actually just doesn't track, at all. It's just the logic that anything multiplied or divided by infinity must be infinity. I get the logic. Numbers are infinite ---> half are odd numbers ---> odd numbers are still infinite, therefore 0.5 * ∞ = ∞. But that's a verbal/conceptual game. You can't plug infinity as a variable into a physics problem, it's not a numerical value.
Infinite speed based on timeless space is just d / 0 = ∞. Just looking at the stupid-ass formula is making me dumber. I.S. based on infinite distance is just ∞ / t = ∞. Beyond the stupidity of plugging in 0 and ∞, these two formulas don't even reverse properly. If you can get infinity by dividing a positive distance by 0, you should get zero multiplying infinity by that same distance. ∞ * d = 0 ???
Example of the flip I mean:
10m / 1s = 10m/s
10m/s * 1s = 10m
Er, I was saying that if we wanted to make FTL KE as easily applicable to this hobby as infinite speed, we'd have to turn it into a blanket "infinite striking force" setting. As in, we don't do that now.
Those aren't actually infinite speed feats, tbh. In the rare cases where it isn't just window dressing for the Definitely Final Ultimate Boss Fight, it's closer to acausality or dimensional movement anyway. Like, GER technically doesn't have "infinite" speed, it's just acausal and its actions are basically inserted prior to the enemies actions.
If you can cross an infinite distance, regardless of how much time it takes (unless the time it takes is also infinite), then you can cross a finite distance an infinite number of times with no time passing at all.
It was mostly a dramatic way to phrase it but for the purposes of this hobby anyone with infinite speed gets to attack as many times as they want before the other guy can move regardless of how high the other guys finite speed number is.
Again, anything based on moving in a "timeless space" is either to be disregarded or taken as some form of dimensional movement/acausality.
You'd only actually get infinite speed if you physically moved an infinite amount of distance in some finite amount of time.
Maddie
Exceptional
Alita vs 2B
Edward Nygma
Illustrious
I agree with this, but it wasn't the consensus in the last GER match that I saw back on NF. Pretty sure people were literally saying that GER could blitz the Reverse Flash.
No. Much like the infinite numbers thing, this sounds sensible but isn't actually supported by anything in the material world.If you can cross an infinite distance, regardless of how much time it takes (unless the time it takes is also infinite), then you can cross a finite distance an infinite number of times with no time passing at all.
All that going an infinite distance in a finite time means is that you can travel an infinite distance in a finite time. It is in no way related to your ability to cross finite distances. It has to be treated as a unique skill (conceptual hax?) because the variables involved aren't compatible with the velocity formula. You can't plug ∞ into the velocity formula. Not as time, not as distance.
I'm always down for arbitration, as long as we are all on the same page that that's what is happening.
There's also the fact that most authors, when they use the term 'infinite', they're not actually being literal. And all it takes is just reading about whatever they stated as such to see that they're being hyperbolic, or in other cases, have no clue what infinity actually is, and just love to use it as a buzzword for something being quite vast, so they don't have to put an exact number on just how big/long/wide something is. The problem arises when you get dumbshits in vs debates who actually do take those statements literally, and run a mile with them to the point of lunacy, so they can wank up their preferred character/verse.
Edward Nygma
Illustrious
So. Who has actually crossed an infinite distance in a finite time?
Also. How does that even work?!
How does a space's infinite status not invalidate itself the second someone leaves? The traveler reached another space beyond its infiniteness. That's....not how infinite works.
Fuck. I keep trying to give this concept the benefit of the doubt on some level. By the idea of quantifying the infinite is just...bizarre.
Also. How does that even work?!
How does a space's infinite status not invalidate itself the second someone leaves? The traveler reached another space beyond its infiniteness. That's....not how infinite works.
Fuck. I keep trying to give this concept the benefit of the doubt on some level. By the idea of quantifying the infinite is just...bizarre.
Storm preview was out for First Members and man....
They already brought up The Planet Covering Storm feat for her and brought up her being able to fuck up the electricity in folks brains
They already brought up The Planet Covering Storm feat for her and brought up her being able to fuck up the electricity in folks brains
The stomp that's coming against Korra is going to be beautiful.Storm preview was out for First Members and man....
They already brought up The Planet Covering Storm feat for her and brought up her being able to fuck up the electricity in folks brains
literally the only character I can think of whos done it is Elric, and that series has some of the highest level cosmic fuckery around so it's easier to swallowSo. Who has actually crossed an infinite distance in a finite time?
Also. How does that even work?!
How does a space's infinite status not invalidate itself the second someone leaves? The traveler reached another space beyond its infiniteness. That's....not how infinite works.
Fuck. I keep trying to give this concept the benefit of the doubt on some level. By the idea of quantifying the infinite is just...bizarre.
Edward Nygma
Illustrious
Multi-continent level vs island level
I'm trying to think of any feat they might be able to wank. I doubt they dropped their best feats in the previews.
What did we get for that chunk of a mountain that Kuvira' s laser melted? I figure it could reach island level. Kinda reminds me of the flame bird feat from NNT.
There's also the volcano feat from the old fire avatar. I once pointed that the air avatar in that same clip reverses and accelerates the clouds over just a couple of frames. Those could maybe touch country level if they really really believe in themselves.
Korra can't lightning bend, can she? I could see them saying that building up the charge in her body would have to compensate for the loss. I'd even buy it if they could support the idea that Katara has any way of understanding what is happening to her.feat for her and brought up her being able to fuck up the electricity in folks brains
Things she can't do aside, Korra does, technically, have an interesting hax-esque trump card. I don't see how it could save her, but it will be interesting to see if they bring it up. I'm sure they'll bring up blood bending. But, Kyoshi's presence during the Avatar State brings along a bonus blood skill. She can freeze an entire person solid with a touch. An OG water bender had learned to lower body temp for all the reasons that doing so is helpful in medicine. Kyoshi manages to take it up a notch and just mercs a fool with it.
Edward Nygma said:The best healer in the Northern Water Tribe is about half a step from bloodbending 400 years before Hama was born.
And yes, even though I forgot to screenshot it, Kyoshi does go on to kill someone by freezing their heart and lungs with a touch. She does it in, or possibly just on the verge of (it's a tad unclear), the Avatar State. Though, as you can see in another excerpt that I haven't bothered to label, this healer sees Kyoshi perform her base bending and claims she could "freeze a polar orca solid". Whether a polar orca is more polar bear or whale, it's more than enough for her to freeze a human.
I brought these up a LOOONG time ago
that Avatar was Szeto.
And I think Chaos calced it in Fanverse
Avatar: The Last Airbender/Legend of Korra Calculations
Because I honestly have trouble finding any of the calcs for this series anymore *shrugs* All the same, while I don't believe I've done anything new, its still more easily accessible and in one place now. That, and no dead images~ Katara Waterbends an Iceberg ^The Feat Image 1 Aang =...
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