Game Ranked Dune Mafia - town victory

[Ultra]

Warm milk and some brandy maybe

 

[Aurelian]

Aurelian, is Ratchet prone to bus?

All the "t1s" will bus if they need too: Ultra, Magic, and Ratchet in particular are notorious for it.

 

[Ultra]

Spoiler

Ok well definitely didn’t see that coming lmao
Why does it make you rethink sig rather than him himself btw?

Any reason you didn’t refill me @Kurosaki Ichigo?

I remembered Sigi claimed he will JK you. I thought it would be a waste.

My trust on Ratchet comes from my read on him. I noticed he trusted Gad so that's like a chain of trust. It's not complicated.

You say he never claimed that or you were not jailed?

Ratchet doesn't feel manipulative in his solve.

Why is Ultra town @.guillo ?

You look salty because you couldn't push me

I need details.

Why is Ratchet the lynch and why is Ultra confirmed town?
Can someone answer?

How does this confirm he's town?

What if we lynch Ultra? If he flips scum, we get OLU too...

Do you know what “historically” means or at least implies?

He has a point

This is not a case
Neither is what OLU told me

Unless they're both scum, this is correct

I didn't know that.
Ok

Yes. Mechanically clearing a mate is happening often.

Another possibility is OLU is scum and Ultra town with a wrong POE, OLU receives town credit and Ultra is pushing with bigger force than before.

That's why I don't trust you

You have 1225 posts and you push to lynch my town read because you are 'paranoid' and I think you should know better.

You were active enough to know what was discussed but you don't know I explained my choice for last night and pretend I am outed because I didn't refill the claimed vig

You are not towny at all.

You look funny for following Ultra indeed

We lynch a possible town because he is double voter?

I don't understand the neighbourizing choice

This is the first logical reason to suspect someone I read in all this game

I asked why you added me and I had no answer

I've been thinking at Flower pushing Ultra. She was uninformed.

Inviting me is a bad and not explained move from both of them, Gad and Ratchet.

I start to doubt myself now

Can we think at everyone in the game?
Because this back and forth Ultra/ Ratchet is not going to give a full solve

If he choose me instead the claimed cop isn't in fact a thing looking good since he can role crush his neighbours?

Everyone else is lock town?

So these are (most) of Ichigo's posts from the other day. Very very hard not to see him as blatantly agenda'd. He basically enters full panic mode when he perceives I'm cleared and tries to deconstruct that from every angle under the sun

He tries questioning whether hider is a valid clear
He tries tries backing up Guillo that I should be lynched to confirm me/OLU aren't making a scum play
He reluctantly accepts hider as a valid clear, but still pushes that we're mates
He then proposes that it could be just OLU is scum and faking the clear and I'm town with a wrong PoE I think this part is very telling of where his concerns lie
He tries implying my read on Ratchet is paranoia
He tries guilting Guillo over following me
He tries appealing to Ratchet's role
He gives Aurelian credit for making a point against Ratchet, but concludes that it looks bad for both Gad and Ratchet
He randomly brings up that Flower was scum reading me, implying we should sheep her
He starts to say he's doubting himself, but encourages turning away from Me/Ratchet and to consider all options
He I think tried to indirectly defend Ratchet or Gad, not quite sure

If this isn't a PANICKED team mate I don't know wtf this is. Nothing about how he processes and reacts to this information feels organic.

 

[Ultra]

Says sig said he was gonna jail me. Never happened

Lowkey probably both scum and that was a scum chat suggestion

One more thing I noticed, Ichigo's rational about not targeting Poyser because of Jailer. Jailers do not really work the same everywhere. I think standard Jailer elsewhere doesn't actually stop incoming actions besides kills, it just protects and roleblocks. Here it sorta effectively commutes the targeted player

@.guillo Does his assumption Jailer would block a refill check out to you?

 

[Ultra]

If that's not how Jailers typically work in his usual play environment would assume Ratchet just tipped him off to use that to explain away his usage or whatever

 

[Sharter Holmes]

The Gad treatment

Got a lot of physical activity to do tomorrow though. Need to get knocked out proper

So... tequila?

 

[Sharter Holmes]

Warm milk and some brandy maybe

I'm too asian for this milk thingy

 

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

Ultra drinks warm milk? Eww

I have a few quotes, I forgot how many

Spoiler

Alternatively we can not vote and rush the day but if you guys try to bumrush this I'm gonna double down

Dude what are you asking? What the point of having a day to solve the game is? This a serious question



They're in my PoE

...If you haven't read anything why are you so confident in your conclusions?

@Kurosaki Ichigo This was a quote I found from your last game. You're familiar with Ratchet's meta, aren't you?

I want to know why ratchet killed tpein

I can explain to you why I think he's likelier to be town but he's also refusing to play or give a shit, so it's not off the books

Wait, no. Neighbor is night ability. Crush/motivate is day

MY BAD!!!

Gad's claim really feels like he's scum and not supposed to admit the part where he can secretly fuck with people for inviting them to his chat. His toolkit of 3 roles kinda flies in the face of common sense for a town role.

Putting everything else aside ofc

Link me please

Before i go

I sustain that Sig is scum and RDK/OLU is a difference check.

If that is not it, we are in deep shit.

I believe Ichigo is town but knowing that Ichigo does not bus and didnt vote Ratchet because he allegedly townread him, gives me enough paranoia to not oppose his lynch. Like i'd compromise there although it could go either way.

How can you act scummy as confirmed town? You are a unique breed indeed.

Ok then here is a list of three names so you dont have this excuse tomorrow again.

PoE is:

GAD
Sig
Ichigo
Guillo (i know im town but i understand my position here)

Whoever of these 4 die, you check one of the remaining 3, if you die alone, then we'll know something is up.

Why does Ratchet's partner bother clearing me

Honestly, no.

Uh I'm pretty sure this game is more active

Ichigo looks about twice as active there and he has like actual thoughts in that game

Poyser

I tried to jail him as I already had used my refill to regain that shit, so I was probably role blocked while they killed Poyser and banking on because of me being me I could be easily mislynched the next day. Or town role blocked me and Mafia saw Poyser as the greater threat (probably right)

This kinda post makes me think him and fang are unaligned unless their plan is to just bus or something

Kind of a shit post too - he concludes there was no resistance to Ratchet wagon by the final vote count and not at any other point in which there was obvious push and pull

From that ToG game he casually brought up Ratchet's meta but just made a kinda blanket "seems involved" town read on him as if he never actually played with Ratchet before. It all feels very fake.

Your roles fill very similar niches basically, and they're both the kinda thing Melkor loves to slap on scum to give them something claimable. In your case your role is more involved, and I'd be assuming what you were claiming is basically your actual scum role. In his I would be assuming he's leaving a lot out.

Also hate this performative shit

I'm reading that other game he played and it almost feels like night and day with how he tries to read people

Another L for Guillo if this guy is scum

I found a post by Ichigo in that game that literally refuses his own attempt at WIFOM here lmao

Kinda close to locking this in, I don't think he was like an erudite scholar or anything in that game but I see a willingness and effort to actually make reads and question people and stuff.

This guy feels like a complete zombie this game. Barely paying attention, no good reads, no opinions on anything, purely reactive, shit usage that doesn't pass smell test, no sign he's really accounting for flips

Is this true @Kurosaki Ichigo ? Are you a coward as scum?

Hate this post in hindsight too, Guillo calls him out and he pleads that he has a good role.

In the other game he claimed backup vig on like Day 5 or some shit and only because the gun smith visited him

He's been trying to act all discreet and shit like "oh I'm not gonna tell you my super special role I'm trying to not give too much away" but it seems fake to me. It feels quite like how a mafia with a decently claimable role would act. Flaunting it whole pretending not to. Think if he was town he wouldn't bother dropping dumb breadcrumbs like "oh I have to guess for my role it's so hard... ".

Think this guy is playing dumb

I will further add that in that game Ratchet had counterclaimed the vig and we lynched him, and Ichigo still didn't outright counterclaim Ratchet. He just tried to convince people he was SK. So he has no excuse here

I think Ichigo is pretty full of shit tho either way

Ichigo was also keen on knowing my direction this phase last night, and if I crushed him. Could be him deciding on whether to go for Poyser. Could be too simple that explanation tho lol

I'm not even joking that he should be lynched on principle

Probably not

...Why the fuck not?

If we're lynching people for being bad we're gonna have to paint the room

Wait, no. I did mention it

The same Gad only now realized his "rolecrush" can be used only during the day phase. So a) he's either of full of shit or b) he's trying to bread crumb his role in a way that doesn't come off as hostile.

Not sure why your surprised by this tbdean.

No polite way to say this but bad would kind of an understatement. At that point I kinda feel like being this wrong has to be an intentional effort.

Cuz fuck you

But also because I did mention it and forgot I did

This gangrenous taint gets Neighbor and only invites mafia

I'm tempted to do a very boring exercise

Sad news today, tiktok is officially banned :(​

Don't try to meta read me, it's impossible. I play differently in every game on purpose.

You saying Ichigo displayed concern on whether you'd rolecrush his role?

Sure it could, but it is kind of weird isn't it?

Especially since you would assume someone like Ichigo would not appreciate trying to keep his claim behind closed doors only for Ratchet to out him. I'd expect some kind of reaction, instead it just feels like Ratchet is chaperoning

So these are (most) of Ichigo's posts from the other day. Very very hard not to see him as blatantly agenda'd. He basically enters full panic mode when he perceives I'm cleared and tries to deconstruct that from every angle under the sun

He tries questioning whether hider is a valid clear
He tries tries backing up Guillo that I should be lynched to confirm me/OLU aren't making a scum play
He reluctantly accepts hider as a valid clear, but still pushes that we're mates
He then proposes that it could be just OLU is scum and faking the clear and I'm town with a wrong PoE I think this part is very telling of where his concerns lie
He tries implying my read on Ratchet is paranoia
He tries guilting Guillo over following me
He tries appealing to Ratchet's role
He gives Aurelian credit for making a point against Ratchet, but concludes that it looks bad for both Gad and Ratchet
He randomly brings up that Flower was scum reading me, implying we should sheep her
He starts to say he's doubting himself, but encourages turning away from Me/Ratchet and to consider all options
He I think tried to indirectly defend Ratchet or Gad, not quite sure

If this isn't a PANICKED team mate I don't know wtf this is. Nothing about how he processes and reacts to this information feels organic.

Ultra is a good player but his narcissistic self makes him confirmation biased.

Starting with the idea I am scum everything I said becomes a proof for you @Ultra and that's not good.
I said I don't want to live. Lynch me, I don't care, but look at my PoE because I think I am right.

My old games here are pretty old. I don't like how people here insult each other. It's not friendly banter, is directly insulting like Goddess was talking to Guillo at the end of the other game. You as playerbase are lenient about toxicity in games and I saw the game going into that part again in the discussions Flower /Ultra D1 and not just then. I lost interest when I saw nothing changed since my previous game. But I was still here in my free time.

I wouldn't be here without Guillo because I know he is retired and playing with him is like it's Christmas again. I town read him for the vibe of his posts, not for meta. I hope I am right because I am betting the game on him being town and I accept the blame if I am wrong.

My low activity is nothing unusual. If I have time I give my all regardless. If I am scum with Ratchet we would have some interactions before. He is a very good player and could muddy enough players by now to make sure his mates are safe even if he is lynched. He was pocketing me.

I am no coward. I think before making moves when I am scum. It's not cowardice, it's a forethoughtful mode.

I quoted some posts from Arne and I see only commentary mode from him.
If I am wrong in my solve this is PoE material. The post saying I am full of shit 'either way' is a scum tell in my book.

Strangely I believe Sigi's drunk statement but I don't think is AI. At least he confirms a jailor action so I am not an idiot for considering it N3.
Without any watcher on Poyser we know now he was targeted by me and Sigi. Do with this info what you want.

The neighbours chat went like this (reformulated) :.
Me 'will you crush me tonight? I don't want to waste my action'
Gad: 'no, you can refill Poyser'
Me: 'tanks'
Me: 'Done'
Me: I mentioned Ratchet spew may not be useful
Gad: after explaining why was he distracted by Ultra and Ratchet in his reads he said he will go with the flow today, mentioning he works and reads a book
Me: asking if Ratchet vs Aurelian can be w/w
Gad: agreed and said he will push Aurelian regardless.

@Sharter Holmes do you confirm?

I should read the chat before but if they're both mafia they planned things elsewhere and just played dumb in the neighbourhood. I don't know if that's useful.
On the other hand if there is any pocketing attempt from Ratchet it's Gad's job to bring it to light and I am still here to confirm or infirm it.

Reading Ratchet is not easy. Just looking at past games I could tell in a previous game things about his play. But that was long ago. How is such an old game a proof of my alignment in this game now?

@.guillo why you want old games here when you can look after more recent games including the last Deck mafia game?
Unrelated, thanks god for that tiktok ban if you ask me

If OLU is mafia he cleared himself while being POE by the use of a role we don't know is in the game. He received a huge town credit and Ultra's defence. Worth it 100%.


I am out for a peaceful family Sunday. Maybe coming back in 12 hours if I can.

 

[Lord Melkor]

Sigi has just 2 posts today and nothing about solving the game.

Vote Sigismund

Ok

Unvote

[Vote Lynch Aurelian]

C'mon @Sharter Holmes you coward

Oh-okay

Unvote

:)

And I'm caught up

I don't believe Sig's claim. I think it is bullshit.
I will not oppose and even compromise with a Ichigo lynch.
And I'm willing to take one for the team and get myself lynched to clear your paranoia out too. No bluff, Ultra, if you ask me to vote myself to help you lynch me faster I will.

Let me know, but for now...

Vote Sigismund

Vote count 1 day 5

Kurosaki Ichigo: Sigismund- Unvote
Aurelian: Aurelian-Unvote
Guillo: Sigismund

Wagons:

Sigismund: 1

let me know i I made any mistakes

 

[Ultra]

Ultra drinks warm milk? Eww

I have a few quotes, I forgot how many

Ultra is a good player but his narcissistic self makes him confirmation biased.

Starting with the idea I am scum everything I said becomes a proof for you @Ultra and that's not good.
I said I don't want to live. Lynch me, I don't care, but look at my PoE because I think I am right.

My old games here are pretty old. I don't like how people here insult each other. It's not friendly banter, is directly insulting like Goddess was talking to Guillo at the end of the other game. You as playerbase are lenient about toxicity in games and I saw the game going into that part again in the discussions Flower /Ultra D1 and not just then. I lost interest when I saw nothing changed since my previous game. But I was still here in my free time.

I wouldn't be here without Guillo because I know he is retired and playing with him is like it's Christmas again. I town read him for the vibe of his posts, not for meta. I hope I am right because I am betting the game on him being town and I accept the blame if I am wrong.

My low activity is nothing unusual. If I have time I give my all regardless. If I am scum with Ratchet we would have some interactions before. He is a very good player and could muddy enough players by now to make sure his mates are safe even if he is lynched. He was pocketing me.

I am no coward. I think before making moves when I am scum. It's not cowardice, it's a forethoughtful mode.

I quoted some posts from Arne and I see only commentary mode from him.
If I am wrong in my solve this is PoE material. The post saying I am full of shit 'either way' is a scum tell in my book.

Strangely I believe Sigi's drunk statement but I don't think is AI. At least he confirms a jailor action so I am not an idiot for considering it N3.
Without any watcher on Poyser we know now he was targeted by me and Sigi. Do with this info what you want.

The neighbours chat went like this (reformulated) :.
Me 'will you crush me tonight? I don't want to waste my action'
Gad: 'no, you can refill Poyser'
Me: 'tanks'
Me: 'Done'
Me: I mentioned Ratchet spew may not be useful
Gad: after explaining why was he distracted by Ultra and Ratchet in his reads he said he will go with the flow today, mentioning he works and reads a book
Me: asking if Ratchet vs Aurelian can be w/w
Gad: agreed and said he will push Aurelian regardless.

@Sharter Holmes do you confirm?

I should read the chat before but if they're both mafia they planned things elsewhere and just played dumb in the neighbourhood. I don't know if that's useful.
On the other hand if there is any pocketing attempt from Ratchet it's Gad's job to bring it to light and I am still here to confirm or infirm it.

Reading Ratchet is not easy. Just looking at past games I could tell in a previous game things about his play. But that was long ago. How is such an old game a proof of my alignment in this game now?

@.guillo why you want old games here when you can look after more recent games including the last Deck mafia game?
Unrelated, thanks god for that tiktok ban if you ask me

If OLU is mafia he cleared himself while being POE by the use of a role we don't know is in the game. He received a huge town credit and Ultra's defence. Worth it 100%.


I am out for a peaceful family Sunday. Maybe coming back in 12 hours if I can.

Well it looks like I've managed to draw something out of you!

I am trying to consider your perspective. I'm not tunneled in by any means. Could CP be scum? Sure thing. Could OLU? Yeah, possibly, but not really too sure about that. I'm trying to weigh all the evidence here and currently that's pointing to you being most likely from my PoV

Just a couple quick counterpoints:

• The "old game" you're talking about is 9 months old. Don't really feel like that's really as outdated as you make it seem.
• Saying you aren't interested in the game and this haven't been playing, but also if you were scum you'd be doing super special awesome distancing feels a bit silly. If I take your explanation at face value, you wouldn't have time for all that crap anyway.
• In addition to this, the best authority on your play (Guillo) is saying you're not a busser
• About the Jailer action - it was actually impossible for Sig to use it that night, fyi. He had to reload himself. So you chose hold on the only night you really shouldn't have.

Anyway thanks for responding a bit more thought, will mull over it. We still got plenty of time

 

[.guillo]

One more thing I noticed, Ichigo's rational about not targeting Poyser because of Jailer. Jailers do not really work the same everywhere. I think standard Jailer elsewhere doesn't actually stop incoming actions besides kills, it just protects and roleblocks. Here it sorta effectively commutes the targeted player

@.guillo Does his assumption Jailer would block a refill check out to you?

In MU and Deck Mafia, a jailed target cannot perform an action nor can be targeted by actions.

 

[Ultra]

Who wants to ISO CP for me

 

[.guillo]

I quoted some posts from Arne and I see only commentary mode from him.
If I am wrong in my solve this is PoE material. The post saying I am full of shit 'either way' is a scum tell in my book.

Agreed.

Arne has done nothing.

Vote Arne

 

[.guillo]

Without any watcher on Poyser we know now he was targeted by me and Sigi. Do with this info what you want.

And you claimed your target first than Sig

 

[.guillo]

Me 'will you crush me tonight? I don't want to waste my action'

This is funny because this implies you believe you'd have actions after the rolecrush and rolecrush perma vanillaizes people, right @Ultra

 

[.guillo]

Me: I mentioned Ratchet spew may not be useful

Why did you say this by the way? And since which day do you believe Ratchet's spew is not useful.

 

[Ultra]

This is funny because this implies you believe you'd have actions after the rolecrush and rolecrush perma vanillaizes people, right @Ultra

According to Gad it's temporary and lasts for a cycle

 

[Ultra]

I don't actually think Ichigo has actually claimed his remaining shots or character or anything else

 

[.guillo]

@.guillo why you want old games here when you can look after more recent games including the last Deck mafia game?

You know i never ask for old games, ultra brought it up so i asked him to post it.

Here is a question for you. Are you gonna deny that when you are scum, you are more timid? We played together as scum before and i had to hellbus you for it.

As for looking at Deck Mafia games, not only playing in Discord change the dynamics from playing at a Forum, but Discord games are not public meta everyone can see for themselves and confirm, Forum games are completely public.

 

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

Just a couple quick counterpoints:

• The "old game" you're talking about is 9 months old. Don't really feel like that's really as outdated as you make it seem.
• Saying you aren't interested in the game and this haven't been playing, but also if you were scum you'd be doing super special awesome distancing feels a bit silly. If I take your explanation at face value, you wouldn't have time for all that crap anyway.
• In addition to this, the best authority on your play (Guillo) is saying you're not a busser
• About the Jailer action - it was actually impossible for Sig to use it that night, fyi. He had to reload himself. So you chose hold on the only night you really shouldn't have.

• 9 months it's a lot of time. Even the global climate is changed
• If anything I would know stuff from scum chat avoiding obvious mistakes.
• he's right, but also I am not an idiot and I would vote the cw if Aurelian is town and Ratchet if both arr scum.
• I had no knowledge about his actions except he talked about jailing someone.

This is funny because this implies you believe you'd have actions after the rolecrush and rolecrush perma vanillaizes people, right @Ultra

It depends on the RC action if it's permanent or for a cycle

According to Gad it's temporary and lasts for a cycle

Good to know.
Why he told me he will RC me but never considered Ratchet?

Why did you say this by the way? And since which day do you believe Ratchet's spew is not useful.

Good luck trying to find spew in one of the best scum players I played with. It's hard. And I wanted to see if Gad is interested and he wasn't

I don't actually think Ichigo has actually claimed his remaining shots or character or anything else

Do you need this info?