okay save the rest to the host post gameso ultra won't confirm if no result = blocked or not but he's confirming that gram is really town? surely one of ekko or flower is lying here. I realize I could just ask Ultra about gram myself but that honestly feels so fucking hokey to me I refuse to do it
because....Now that you say this it seems strange that Ekko was going on and on about N0M being scum but never once told us that he didn't see N0M visit Psychic n1.
@Ekkologix why is that?
last grave robber i saw was town...
why are you quoting me for?
whats your point?
We have a result that kekko was visiting dead players.
graverobbers are scum.
simple as that.
you are trying to say that me sussing ekko for it is scummy.
why are you preflipping him as town?
*rolls eyes
you arent sussing the other player who scanned innocent? so ur confident he isnt godfather?you.
flower
kekko
one of the inactives
doodsy or doctor or tweet.
can u point exactly to where u sense "desperation" and "sus as many as possible"I think ekko is a hostile indie and he got caught in a lie with his claimed actions. his desperation to keep sus on as many of players as possible aligns with someone who needs to be the last alive (or win with the courier aka psychic)
OuchHe might not be, I’d venture to say he probably isn’t but there’s a decent minority chance he is and he’s a detriment to every game so it’s a net positive
I think doddsy is my preference if we’re going highest scum probability - that role usage doesn’t seem right in the context of him having no real idea of the game state or if he was fucking somebody up by using it, and he’s not an idiot so I feel like that decision is likely to have been made by someone more selfish or tunnel vision prone
At face value his role also directly counters mine and psychics stuff so there’s that
Ouch
I mean I'm not gonan much defend myself from it, it was used rather selfishly tbh.
If people want to lynch me I'm not gonna stand hard in the way, better to get it done now before the situation worsens and I'm getting debated over at lylo
That said, Ratchet very likely to be town which I said early. Don't much see the play in coming out with LR stuff, and the confusion as to why it hasn't seemed to work comes across as pretty genuine.
I think Flower also looks good from that sort of interaction as Ratchet seemed to be fishing for something and Flower sort of came clean with the exact stuff pretty quick which seemed good.
You can call me Jimmy Uso cause I'm following the tribal chief
Vote Ekko
I agree with the points that Ekko seems to be pushing in too many directions at once and seems content with anything.
Don't much understand the grave digger spec so that doesn't factor into anything much for me
I mean yes, he normally at least has core pushes, here he is all over the place including confirmed townMy question to you though is how does that vary from ekkos usual town game? Have you known him to be selective on who and what he pushes?
I think there is a lot of leaning into him pushing for a Gram lynch without giving the scum case for it due consideration. What strategic advantage does it pose, beyond I guess prompting me to make this exact argument?I mean yes, he normally at least has core pushes, here he is all over the place including confirmed town
Fwiw I believe he pushed it before realising he was ic and then doubled down a bit.I think there is a lot of leaning into him pushing for a Gram lynch without giving the scum case for it due consideration. What strategic advantage does it pose, beyond I guess prompting me to make this exact argument?
2. Doddsy
3. Aurelian
18. Phenom
These are probably my best bet for scum at this stage I think. Every time i find myself coming back to Tweet I end up liking his posts so I think I may have just been wrong there Day 1. Let's say I'm expecting at least 2-3 scum out of this list.12. DrProfessor83
4. Gad
14. BPD
19. T-Pein
This would be the next tier. We will say 1-2.20. Dalton
15. Fujishiro
0-1 scum.13. Tweet
Why is that?Fair point otherwise but I see the creation of doubt around an IC as something more likely for scum to do than town
Why does scum get further benefit from creating doubt on an IC? I don't think that's really a question that needs asking tbhWhy is that?
This aligns more with his hostile Indie or Indie play in general, though. It‘s called Survival mode. He‘s casting as wide a net as possible, including everyone and their dog except for himself, just so there‘s enough doubt on everyone so he can survive longer by pushing everyone. Which is why I think he‘s hostile Indie here rather than scum. Thing is, lynching a hostile Indie here could also cost us the game with no scum flip so far. So I‘m not sure about this direction. And with how hard Ekko is being pushed now this just makes me pause and think he‘s being used as a distraction.I mean yes, he normally at least has core pushes, here he is all over the place including confirmed town
I do, because you have to weigh up how plausible it would be that they *could* create doubt on an IC confirmed by the host. I'd go as far as to say Ekko is the only player capable of seeing the host post the role PM of the IC and *still* claim that they're not confirmed town. Ekko, no doubt, is aware of this too. However you slice it, Scum!Ekko genuinely attempting to cast doubt on the IC makes little sense all around, he would no doubt be aware of how futile his attempts would be, and even if in spite of all this, he achieves his goal of getting people to doubt Gram, where does he go from there? Get Gram lynched and look awful? Have Gram beat him back by playing obviously townie? There is a lot of effort here for minimal gain, and I don't really feel like you've thought this through much.Why does scum get further benefit from creating doubt on an IC? I don't think that's really a question that needs asking tbh
If that's the case I'd expect him to admit to it if he's on the vergeThis aligns more with his hostile Indie or Indie play in general, though. It‘s called Survival mode. He‘s casting as wide a net as possible, including everyone and their dog except for himself, just so there‘s enough doubt on everyone so he can survive longer by pushing everyone. Which is why I think he‘s hostile Indie here rather than scum. Thing is, lynching a hostile Indie here could also cost us the game with no scum flip so far. So I‘m not sure about this direction. And with how hard Ekko is being pushed now this just makes me pause and think he‘s being used as a distraction.
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