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[Ultra]

Vote count coming up in an hour

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

Well, you're not really in a position to stamp your feet and demand we go with what you say, so.

I'm fine with Doddsy, Phenom, even Fang today I think.

im bound to work with u eventually if ur the only one trying. if thats mafia then game is lost for town anyway

i dont fully agree with fang, but id like a claim maybe

from tpein/sworder too

tpein said he protected me from scum. is hinting alco's role?

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

Do me a favour, catch up and then make one (1) post containing everything you need to say.

too hard on phone. i can barely be that concise on PC

 

[Ratchet]

i dont fully agree with fang, but id like a claim maybe

I'll pull up some posts, particularly around his handling of you.

tpein said he protected me from scum. is hinting alco's role?

I think he was referring to Weebs.

 

[Ratchet]

@Ekkologix

This is good.

Though the only real difference is I have Fuji as a null and lean town on T-Pein swapped with RDK instead. Perfectly fine with main focus on Rugrat/RDK/Dalton/Alco but for the most part we overlap a lot.

In this reads list, I had Phenom at Town.

From today:

Ekko you aren't looking too good right now

Sideline commentary.

What the reason for Phen0m? I still think he's suspect but I just want to hear your reasons for it.

He thinks Phenom is suspect now, apparently, but is still happy to pressure/vote Ekko.

Ekko, you have a partial point with GF being scan-proof but Gramm? I don't think so.

Conflates two different points, concedes one but uses the Gram thing to effectively dismiss it. Potentially a bad look for either T-Pein or TSworder.

Sorry Ekko unless you give me more to work with its gonna be you today :(

[Vote Lynch Ekko]

Doesn't read as a genuine vote, doesn't really make sense if he suspects phenom.

But for real, sussing the Innocent Child/Grammaton is beyond silly, too many actions, zero results, just way too convenient to push that.

Basically saying nothing, why is it "convenient" to push something that offers 0 benefit for Ekko.

Ekko - not really sure what you like about his play today.

 

[Aurelian]

its phenom or me. not allowing any other lynch

So its between you, with your whatever role you have visiting TAT's dead corpse and 3 results = 0 failed answers with your ability vs Phen0m whose claimed town vig? I just want to be clear on this. You are 100% certain Phen0m is not town? Granted I'm iffy on him but between the two of you its a knife edge point of balance and I'd still say sussing on Gram/IC did not look good.

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

Your invest JOAT and visiting dead bodies.

and why is this scummy again?

Like I don't believe for a second you visited TAT just to confirm a townie.

why not? my only other option was to visit psychic and learn who she visited n1. thats not rly helpful

Never seen a invest JOAT either.

again what does this have to do with anything. its what ultra calls it between brackets

To be fair to you, you did question whether Phenom killed Psychic so behaviourally it lines up, but you're also an good N1 target for a block

The problem with the block thing though is that I would then need to assume that neither the doctor nor the cop nor the voyeur that works like a cop were blocked last night at all.

I'd disregard CP's result in general because good chance it was manipulated. Whether they anticipated it being on Fuji or not is another matter entirely.

Which really comes back to Phen0m. Honestly his claim around targeting CP doesn't make sense for the fact that apparently only Alco targeted him too, which would require scum to leave CP untouched as well. What scum does this lol? They have two dangerous investigative roles and they just do nothing about them?

I don't have a better lynch here. I'm aware if he flips scum I'm going to have a fun Day 5 with how people have tied me to Phenom but I'd rather be right than wrong so, I think he's my lynch for today.

i used my action last night thinking surely mafia are not going to block me with the 500000 cop claims and shit we have around unless... someone i scum read (maybe even u) ... is worried about me having a harmful ability or scum rolecopped me n1 and know im an invest JOAT.

It's just a Jack of Investigative Trades.

ultra calls it Investigative JOAT actually to be exact

Can‘t stop thinking about this, so I‘m going to put this out there before I finally go to bed.

I have a hard time reconciling Ratchet‘s LR usage from a Town Ratchet pov as well. He knew CP could potentially get a shot off, as Town he would also think Phenom might get his ability off and catch scum, and scum would just never not kill Phenom there, so using his bus drive instead of the LR just seems like the more optimal choice here when he risks cucking all the remaining Town PR claimers from using their third shots.

That being said, I can still see him do that as Town if he thought the benefits outweighed the risks, but not sure they actually would have here. Just some food for thought.

And with that I‘m going to bed fr. GN.

u dont need the claim to read him or me. we have so many posts. u dont need the claim to read anyone.

I mean, that's what he says about TAT. You buy the invest JOAT? I've never seen that shit before.

it doesnt mean it doesnt exist lol

 

[Ratchet]

ultra calls it Investigative JOAT actually to be exact

Ultra is also wrong, lol. A Jack of All Trades is supposed to have a variety of ability types - one of each, and they're all one-shot because they can do a bit of everything but overall are weaker in that respective ability than a dedicated one (one shot cop is weaker than cop etc). A JoAT typically has an investigative, protective, preventative and destructive ability. A jack that only has investigative abilities isn't a jack of *all* trades, it's a jack of investigative trades, precisely because he has a bit of everything under the "investigative" umbrella.

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

I know Ekko is chatting pure shite for the most part but in this instance I can't bring myself to believe he's scum for his usage. I mean he claimed a usage that directly contradicts N0Ms usage days after N0M outed it. I just don't see it.

On topic of Doddsy, Gram is making good points and I myself also leaned that Doddsy only used the role so he could show the thread anything at all, so I'm happy to lynch that slot as well.

I'm also constantly going back and forth on Aurelian and Flower so that's not great

i trust u already know the answer for this now

How many shot is your voyeur?

i wanna know this too @PHEN0M

Why not?
Never been done?
Idk if I meant either or lowkey.

Ratchet was a claimed commuter.
Alco was the doc.
Mafia killed alco.
Ratchet could probably bus the doc to protect him.
Phenom was the outed watcher.
wut.jpg
Mafia kills alco with disregard to the watcher.
This only works if mafia wants to trade one mafia for one town.
Phenom says he watched the cop tho.
Makes sense cuz last game cp did the same thing.
CP Claimed and said he had 2 shots but actually had an extra one.

Meh.
I rather lynch the dude graverobbing.

u cant be anymore agenda driven. grave robbing isnt a scum role just as much as watcher isnt a town role. u can have a watcher be both alignment and a grave robber be both alignment

this wud be a discussion if i claimed grave robber but im not

Why yall just accepting all the "info" kekko is giving rn?
He is literally outed scum.
If phenom didn't try to kill psychic then why would he just show up at the start of the day and death tunnel?
Kekko lowkey bothed his claim.
Forgot phenom visited or is actually just framing him rn.
He kept saying on d2 that phenom was mafia that had shot psychic too.
Why does he say that if he "knew" he hadnt visited.
Bs.

my info said "no result" which means action failed in WS. i never knew if he had or hadnt visited. this is the last time ur gna repeat this

I've been reading Ekko town on play and he also seems fairly towny in his demeanor today. He and N0M are claiming usages that directly contradict each other and unless Ekko got blocked 3 nights in a row, one of them has to be lying. I'm not exactly sussing N0M but I think Ekko is likelier town of the two.

there is no contradiction, otherwise id claim in day 2

RAINBOW READ!
BPD - Lock Town: TOWN LOCK and town leader. Not enough people listening to him this game.

Gram - Lock Town: IC and obvious town lock. Wish he could help us out a bit more figure the game out, but I do understand where his apathy is coming from.

CraigPelton - Lean Town: I mean, if Craig has fake claimed cop and used the usage as well as he has, then good for him. Having a fake cop claim would be really lame in my eyes and not something I think Ultra would do, so just willing to say he's town here.

Ekko - Lean Town: - I think the more he defended his claim, and also Ratchet saying that the invest JOAT is believable, I'm still willing to give Ekko a town lean here. I've seen him spout a lot of nonsense as town before, and the way he still puts confirmed and semi confirmed roles as suss is something he is capable of doing. I think the way he is saying it isn't necessarily being understood the way he means it, as weird as it is. I do think he's tried hard to push for leads as well as being open-minded about things. Well I do think Ekko has spouted more nonsense shit than usual, I don't really think he's using it as a distraction or a way to hide.

Fujishiro - Slight Town: There can only be one GF and if Craig somehow copped another framed/lawyered player, then I guess good game. I don't think his play has been great, I don't think his claim has been great, I don't think his usage has been great. But unless a framer/lawyer flips (or Craig somehow flips wolf), then I won't get too paranoid this game over this slot (don't think Fuji is tracker and GF).

Ratchet - Slight Town: Ratchet is a tough one. I probably think he's just town here. If not, he's having another hell of a wolf game and kudos to him. I think the only way he claims lightning rod here is that if he feels like maybe his driver claim won't hold up late in the game. I think his thoughts have been pretty easy to follow, though, and I don't sense there being any agenda, really. I think I'd obviously feel a lot more comfortable if we'd be able to lynch a wolf and he was there pushing it all along. But yeah, Ratchet is town and I'm slightly wary. Only slight.

Tweet - Slight Town: This is another slot where I just don't have a clean handle on. I think there's things about Tweet's game I don't love, but I think that's alright; I've followed his logic clearly enough this game. I think one thing I noticed last day that gives him town points is when the Rugrat/Fuji wagons were kind of neck in neck, Tweet could have voted Rugrat to bring him close to hammer and he refused. So if he was wolf, why not take the easy mislynch there?

Aurelian - Slight Town: Fang might just be a slot I have a forever hard time of reading. The last few games I've been in with him he's been town and this game feels like the same vibe. I don't necessarily remember him as much this game, though, and I feel like when Fang is town, his presence is definitely felt.

Gad - Gad is kind of hanging on for a thread for me and I think he could be a possible backdoor wolf here; one of the last I'd lynch if wolf team is almost dead and POE is small. I kind of feel like his claim maybe was an attempt to get him some fake cred; vanilla isn't hard to claim. I think Gad probably is just town, but can't forget about him when POE dwindles.

Tsword - Slight Town: This is only because of the cop check on him. Definitely could be GF. Dalton didn't do a whole lot with this slot and Tsword hasn't either. Very possible he's GF and wants to just ride out a town check as long as possible.

Prof - Slight Town: Chadwick didn't do much in this game and I really hope he was just overwhelmed his first time back and not trying to make sympathetic excuses to earn cheap town points. Prof has done nothing. This could be a wolf slot for all I know as well. This is my leading candidate and the remaining indie, though.

Doddsy - Slight Wolf: If I was to say based on just looking at the role, role blocking everyone kind of seems townie? In a game that's fairly vanilla, a wolf role block during the day seems kind of weak? But at the same time, I do agree with the point that a town Doddsy just coming in and using that ability without really being linked into the game seems fairly reckless, and Doddsy doesn't strike me as that kind of player. I don't know if there are four or five wolves this game, but I'd say Doddsy works good as a fourth or fifth wolf. He really does fit with any team.

Flower - Slight Wolf: Honestly been feeling worse and worse about this slot as the game has gone by. I think D1 Flower really fooled me if she's wolf, but I don't think she's really been able to maintain that trickery. Unfortunately, I have seen her play this way as town before, so that gives me hesitation. However, I feel like she stopped making sense a day or two go and I'm always unclear of where her head is at and where her direction is. I think she's done well under pressure, but then again, I don't know if anyone has really grilled her. She's also another early vanilla town claim and I don't know how well that should hold up. My paranoia on this slot is getting high.

Phenom - Lean Wolf: I've come around on Phenom being wolf. His D1 vote on Psychic and then subsequent vig claim on her could make sense as a setup play. His voyeur claim also comes after Alco claims doctor, not before. Also, remember that Phenom might have slipped with his role claim by saying he got the message 'bodyguard' when Alco was really doctor. He's definitely disappeared since then. Probably just wolf.

T-Pein - Lean Wolf: I think this is probably the GF. I don't think his game play has been great at all. D1 he struggled to find his footing and he was dancing around Flower, Psychic, and Lethal's slots. I consider those slots to be low-hanging D1 fruits and I thought he did poorly around them. I don't think his defense of his slot has left me thinking I'm wrong; part of that is he's just been dismissive of me and cites me being terribad as his reason). Maybe his claim blows me out of the water here, but I'm still waiting for him to drop it.

good list. id swap prof and flowa

ratchet is my vote for a deep wolf

fang/sworder can be last wolves if we got more i guess

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

@Black Pegged Dragon n0m is fake claiming vig saying he failed his kill on someone. this was nothing but the mafia kill being used on psychic cuz she hinted a power role in day 1 while asking for protections. no town vigs that without letting her claim atleast

also maybe phenom has an actual extra kill that he will claim later or he will simply come later and say he failed a kill on another player

 

[Ratchet]

The only point in Phenom's favour is that if he's not the town vig, the only killing power we have is a reverse hider one shot vig.

 

[Aurelian]

@Black Pegged Dragon n0m is fake claiming vig saying he failed his kill on someone. this was nothing but the mafia kill being used on psychic cuz she hinted a power role in day 1 while asking for protections. no town vigs that without letting her claim atleast

also maybe phenom has an actual extra kill that he will claim later or he will simply come later and say he failed a kill on another player

Interesting. This is consistent with you sussing Phenom since TAT was killed way earlier in the game. So you absolutely believe the whole shebang stuff from before about Flower and some of the others questioning Phenom's claim of shooting Psychic in night 1? I know you've always had him in your PoE but I want to make sure I am understanding this right.

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

@T-Pein™

if im a grave robber why not target psychic? she has a refill, vote power, protrctions, busdrive etc...

why bother targeting TAT who only has

1. a refill
2. a desperado

and if i have targetted TAT (which fuji confirmed) and i am a graverobber then i'd have one of these abilities and i can easily claim yeah i graverobbed TAT and im gna refill CP tonight or im gna use my desperado on a scum read etc.... like this is the easiest shit in the history of mafia to fake claim

why not do that if i really grave robbed him and have the abilities? i can literslly, as scum, say i got the desperado and use it on a town player and then say they are scum because i didnt die. like why not do that if ur assigning scum motive to me targetting TAT atleast follow through with assigning proper scum motive to the claim. i can even claim refilling CP and have my team kill him in the same night...


someone answer this too from u guys

@CraigPelton @Dr_Professor83 @Flower @Fujishiro @Hans Tweetenberg @PHEN0M @Doddsy @TSworder @Grammaton @Black Pegged Dragon @Aurelian etc..

 

[Grammaton]

man who susses mod confirmed player calls other players play shit

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

Interesting. This is consistent with you sussing Phenom since TAT was killed way earlier in the game. So you absolutely believe the whole shebang stuff from before about Flower and some of the others questioning Phenom's claim of shooting Psychic in night 1? I know you've always had him in your PoE but I want to make sure I am understanding this right.

ur understanding it wrong

my scum read of phenom had nothing to do with my result. i have no result on him. nada

i got "no result" literally lol

if i got a result that says none visited my target id claim it day 2 or push phenom so hard that day like im having a baby

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

Ouch

I mean I'm not gonan much defend myself from it, it was used rather selfishly tbh.

If people want to lynch me I'm not gonna stand hard in the way, better to get it done now before the situation worsens and I'm getting debated over at lylo

That said, Ratchet very likely to be town which I said early. Don't much see the play in coming out with LR stuff, and the confusion as to why it hasn't seemed to work comes across as pretty genuine.

I think Flower also looks good from that sort of interaction as Ratchet seemed to be fishing for something and Flower sort of came clean with the exact stuff pretty quick which seemed good.


You can call me Jimmy Uso cause I'm following the tribal chief

Vote Ekko

I agree with the points that Ekko seems to be pushing in too many directions at once and seems content with anything.

Don't much understand the grave digger spec so that doesn't factor into anything much for me

uh no im only content with one lynch today and its phenom

u are a close second

 

[Aurelian]

ur understanding it wrong

my scum read of phenom had nothing to do with my result. i have no result on him. nada

i got "no result" literally lol

if i got a result that says none visited my target id claim it day 2 or push phenom so hard that day like im having a baby

For the sake of my simple brainlet mind, can you list all your previous actions up to this point during the night phases?

I know you targeted TAT's corpse, and then after that with the other failed ones?

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

The only point in Phenom's favour is that if he's not the town vig, the only killing power we have is a reverse hider one shot vig.

town doesnt rly need a vig. it seems mafia is a team of 4 or so with extra voting power being in play maybe

the desperado is a cop/vig mix..its not bad at all. its a 1x vig if u use it on scum pretty much

 

[Ultra]

Day 4 Vote count #2

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Spoiler

Anyway, let CP weigh in

Unvote

Night all​

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Vote Ekko​

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Anyone interested in this?

[Vote Lynch Tpein]​

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Follow me then, Tweet.

[Vote Lynch Phenom]​

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Ouch

I mean I'm not gonan much defend myself from it, it was used rather selfishly tbh.

If people want to lynch me I'm not gonna stand hard in the way, better to get it done now before the situation worsens and I'm getting debated over at lylo

That said, Ratchet very likely to be town which I said early. Don't much see the play in coming out with LR stuff, and the confusion as to why it hasn't seemed to work comes across as pretty genuine.

I think Flower also looks good from that sort of interaction as Ratchet seemed to be fishing for something and Flower sort of came clean with the exact stuff pretty quick which seemed good.


You can call me Jimmy Uso cause I'm following the tribal chief

Vote Ekko

I agree with the points that Ekko seems to be pushing in too many directions at once and seems content with anything.

Don't much understand the grave digger spec so that doesn't factor into anything much for me​

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These are probably my best bet for scum at this stage I think. Every time i find myself coming back to Tweet I end up liking his posts so I think I may have just been wrong there Day 1. Let's say I'm expecting at least 2-3 scum out of this list.




This would be the next tier. We will say 1-2.


0-1 scum.

Everyone else (and there aren't many more, just Gram, CP, Ekko and Flower off the top of my head) I'm just going to leave at Town/Indie. There are good reasons against Ekko and Flower but I think it's entirely within their capability to play like that as Town and there are a few things that I like about them enough to commit to a town read.

I could probably compromise on Doddsy here. I'm expecting 5 Mafia which would give us... 3 more lynches not factoring in vote manipulation etc. I've been rethinking my previous stance on Doddsy's ability and while I appreciate that this could certainly be read as convenient, I don't really care, I overvalued the pro-towniness of it (as an ability, it would only really be useful to the town towards LyLo where the vote manipulation can force endgame, I had this thought vaguely in the back of my mind yesterday but stupidly dismissed it and went to bat for the claim).

Vote: Doddsy​

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Alright time to quit being a pussy I guess

[Vote lynch PHEN0M]​

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Hrrrrr getting second thoughts again

If Ekko got blocked this thing isn't binary at all, they could very well both be town

FML

[unvote]​

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Yeah okay she probably wasn't lying about that so both Ekko and N0M can be telling the truth

Which means we don't necessarily have to lynch among them today yayyy

[vote lynch Doddsy]​

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Ratchet: Phenom > Dodd
Tsworder: Ekko
T-Pein: Ekko
Ekko: Phenom
Gram: Ekko > Unvote
Aurelian: Ekko
Phenom: Ekko
BPD: T-Pein > Phenom
Dodd: Ekko
Tweet: Phenom > Unvote > Dodd

Ekko - 5
Phenom - 2
Dodd - 2

With 15 players remaining it takes 8 to lynch​

 

[Grammaton]

@T-Pein™

if im a grave robber why not target psychic? she has a refill, vote power, protrctions, busdrive etc...

why bother targeting TAT who only has

1. a refill
2. a desperado

and if i have targetted TAT (which fuji confirmed) and i am a graverobber then i'd have one of these abilities and i can easily claim yeah i graverobbed TAT and im gna refill CP tonight or im gna use my desperado on a scum read etc.... like this is the easiest shit in the history of mafia to fake claim

why not do that if i really grave robbed him and have the abilities? i can literslly, as scum, say i got the desperado and use it on a town player and then say they are scum because i didnt die. like why not do that if ur assigning scum motive to me targetting TAT atleast follow through with assigning proper scum motive to the claim. i can even claim refilling CP and have my team kill him in the same night...


someone answer this too from u guys

@CraigPelton @Dr_Professor83 @Flower @Fujishiro @Hans Tweetenberg @PHEN0M @Doddsy @TSworder @Grammaton @Black Pegged Dragon @Aurelian etc..

Why are you tagging me here