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Mafia General Discussion: Ultra's Crucifixion

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Can you explain what you mean by 'another WG'?

Well the issue is gonna then default too "who said these non-staff members who are helping represent the section get to call these shots on what does or doesn't fit their standard".

The problem is with requiring staff check every time is that staff just play less. I'm not saying hand it out willy nilly, just to a handful of players who are interested in doing so. Reviewing is usually not a super intensive process unless the host is fairly inexperienced
 
Can you explain what you mean by 'another WG'?
I saw Aries make a post on Wg saying srm and his games are meant to showcase the creativity of the host and not necessarily about displaying the skill of the players or it always going down that way. No one is trying to restrictive host freedom unless it infringes on game being decided by player skill because that essentially becomes the essence of unranked.

Also justifying a setup decision with "it can be overcome if x happens" rather than it not being a problem in the first place is another thing that would showcase ranked vs unranked.


We're all adults here I'm assuming. Some people don't want yo dedicated their time and effort to a game that will come due to what feels like randomness.
 
gram can we have a precise description of what EXACTLY is ranked or what constitutes as ranked? we have more than one community here so one style of games is likely not gna cut it for everyone.

could we post ranked games for select few every time? like some games wont be played by certain audiance while others will. it will split the playerbase a bit but its better than just forcing one style

we can get players from offsite to eventually stick around here which would mean there will be roughly about same number of people with ws style vs other style mindsets. my preposition is allowing them to run ranked games so long as its approved by a host from their community if required. then the game itself will mostly be filled by players from that community but im okay with that

this site is a refugee site for more than one community afterall

@Poyser whats ur take on this pls
“Our style” is just “no bullshit” so no

If they wanna run their own rankings through this site as refugees then that’s not really up to me, you’d have to ask one of the admins. I wouldn’t be getting involved in their stuff or including their stuff in my rankings or queues tho
 
The problem is with requiring staff check every time is that staff just play less. I'm not saying hand it out willy nilly, just to a handful of players who are interested in doing so. Reviewing is usually not a super intensive process unless the host is fairly inexperienced
Well that's part of the shtick of being in charge; if you want stuff to be run optimally, made balanced, and works out fairly for the host and players and that it means the speculated STANDARD of how mafia games are supposed to be handled here, you might have to accept being part of the reviewers might mean a bit less game time. Nothing is perfect. There has to be give and take.
 
The reviewers have to be only staff members? A select handful of people who can be 'trusted' with the section moderators since Poyser is not the only moderator for mafia here?
It’s nothing to do with being staff or not. It’s about whether they are trusted to put together a balanced game with no bullshit. I’m not really the one that goes over setups although I am available to do so, but we have a myriad of people that do it
 
“Our style” is just “no bullshit” so no

If they wanna run their own rankings through this site as refugees then that’s not really up to me, you’d have to ask one of the admins. I wouldn’t be getting involved in their stuff or including their stuff in my rankings or queues tho
I agree with this
 
Well that's part of the shtick of being in charge; if you want stuff to be run optimally, made balanced, and works out fairly for the host and players and that it means the speculated STANDARD of how mafia games are supposed to be handled here, you might have to accept being part of the reviewers might mean a bit less game time. Nothing is perfect. There has to be give and take.

I mean, just for some perspective, we've had several ranked games here reviews by non staff, my recommendation is just for a bit extra quality control, we don't have to tighten up that much. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
 
I saw Aries make a post on Wg saying srm and his games are meant to showcase the creativity of the host and not necessarily about displaying the skill of the players or it always going down that way. No one is trying to restrictive host freedom unless it infringes on game being decided by player skill because that essentially becomes the essence of unranked.

Also justifying a setup decision with "it can be overcome if x happens" rather than it not being a problem in the first place is another thing that would showcase ranked vs unranked.


We're all adults here I'm assuming. Some people don't want yo dedicated their time and effort to a game that will come due to what feels like randomness.
I mean this is definitely falls into what Ekko was talking about different experiences and communities clashing on expectations on what mafia games are about. Also Aries was specifically talking about super-role madness and bastard set up games. I don't think anyone ever expects SRM or bastard games to be ranked, do they?

I mean, just for some perspective, we've had several ranked games here reviews by non staff, my recommendation is just for a bit extra quality control, we don't have to tighten up that much. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
That's true.
 
Can you explain what you mean by 'another WG'?

Well the issue is gonna then default to "who said these non-staff members who are helping represent the section get to call these shots on what does or doesn't fit their standard, why are they in charge of this?".

Games with batshit mechanics, or stuff that we (and when I say we I’m referring specifically to the people who rocked up from WS/WF) have absolutely no interest in
 
Well that's part of the shtick of being in charge; if you want stuff to be run optimally, made balanced, and works out fairly for the host and players and that it means the speculated STANDARD of how mafia games are supposed to be handled here, you might have to accept being part of the reviewers might mean a bit less game time. Nothing is perfect. There has to be give and take.
We have a fair list of people that we consider “trusted” that can check games when they’re available to do so or otherwise won’t be available to play the game itself

Me
Gramma
Magic
Shepard
Big man
Ratchet
Curry
Rugrat
CP

I may have missed a couple, but you can get on this list through hosting more than one game that showcases your ability to make a balanced game
 
Games with batshit mechanics, or stuff that we (and when I say we I’m referring specifically to the people who rocked up from WS/WF) have absolutely no interest in
Those don't sound like they'd ever be rooted in ranked games or queues though. Did they happen a lot on WS/WF? I think SRM and bastard games are generally considered banned from ranked games, on NF we've had quite a few role-madness "ranked" style games for official stats and contest points for user perks and rewards though. But unranked/role-madness and super-role madness games are also extremely popular from our neck of the woods.
 
Those don't sound like they'd ever be rooted in ranked games or queues though. Did they happen a lot on WS/WF? I think SRM and bastard games are generally considered banned from ranked games, on NF we've had quite a few role-madness "ranked" style games for official stats and contest points for user perks and rewards though. But unranked/role-madness and super-role madness games are also extremely popular from our neck of the woods.
Yeah we made an unranked system specifically so you guys could play this kind of stuff lol

What’s the problem?
 
Those don't sound like they'd ever be rooted in ranked games or queues though. I think SRM and bastard games are generally considered banned from ranked games, on NF we've had quite a few role-madness "ranked" style games for official stats and contest points for user perks and rewards though. But unranked/role-madness and super-role madness games are also extremely popular from our neck of the woods.

That’s all fine and dandy but when ekko talks of making that style of game ranked and then full it up with offsiters, you see where the problem lies
 
Well I didn’t play your game, others can comment on how it went. I’m not the only one that can add to the list! It’s usually just generally agreed upon lol. Would usually have a minimum of 2 games as a bar tho
 
Yeah we made an unranked system specifically so you guys could play this kind of stuff lol

What’s the problem?
Because not everyone wants to solely play vanilla style games for ranked. I think that's what Ekko's point was. Or at least what he was trying to get at with the whole "select few" games being ranked being potentially RM style set ups.
 
Because not everyone wants to solely play vanilla style games for ranked. I think that's what Ekko's point was. Or at least what he was trying to get at with the whole "select few" games being ranked being potentially RM style set ups.
Well as has been said, the point of ranked games is that they’re decided more by player skill than role usage/mechanics and they have that integrity to them. Because I mean the point of the ranking aspect is to showcase player skill… So obviously role madness doesn’t fit with that.
It’s hardly like our ranked games are vanilla lol, they’re just not insane
 
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