Mafia General Discussion: Ultra's Crucifixion

[Poyser]

I just hosted a game on Fanverse and she was like that, too. I told her to stop posting since she was dead and then she kept posting anyway and I had to tell a mod to threadban her. I‘m the Queen of putting effort into a game and getting way too frustrated as a result, but here she actively got herself modkilled and hurt her own faction. It‘s normal to have a meltdown when you take things seriously and put effort in just for nothing to matter (she‘s like me in that regard), but it‘s not okay to literally cost your team the win or at least a chance at winning just because you‘re salty.

It’s not even about the team, it’s about the game as a whole and the host who spent a lot of time crafting the game.

I’ve no problems with people having meltdowns and losing their shit. I’ve done it myself, most of us here have. It’s a naturally heated environment so I’ll always forgive that shit.

But we need to be able to trust that no matter how bad it gets, you understand that you need to uphold the integrity of the game and not sink to this shit. As she’s shown more than once now, we can’t trust her at all

 

[Flower]

It’s not even about the team, it’s about the game as a whole and the host who spent a lot of time crafting the game.

I’ve no problems with people having meltdowns and losing their shit. I’ve done it myself, most of us here have. It’s a naturally heated environment so I’ll always forgive that shit.

But we need to be able to trust that no matter how bad it gets, you understand that you need to uphold the integrity of the game and not sink to this shit. As she’s shown more than once now, we can’t trust her at all

Agreed. In her case it's clear she just wanted to spite people. She rated a few posts of mine on Fanverse afterwards from when I had a big argument with Cake (nowadays I'm chill with Cake tho and we can work together in a game) which had nothing to do with the current situation whatsoever just to mock me. So I assume her getting herself modkilled was also fully intentional here. I understand her frustration, but I think that's crossing a line.

 

[Lord Melkor]

It‘s fairly standard for Germany (I have 25. I only took 3 all year so far).

In Poland standard is 26 days.

 

[RDK]

There is a huge difference.

It's immature and ridiculous to throw a tantrum in the thread when people vote you.
It's immature and ridiculous to spite lynch/kill other players.
It's immature and ridiculous to excessively AtE and flame.

But it's bitchy to threaten the host in Role PM.
It's bitchy to post your role multiple times when an Admin deletes and tells you to stop.
It's bitchy to knowingly attempt to end the game for everyone when you are aware some players are actually trying.

She was frustrated about activity levels but that's not what actually caused her to go out of her way to do all of this.


Snippet from Role PM^

For context, this was right after I told her I'd found a sub but would need to check with the people who asked first (in this case it was Lethal because his activity had been very poor Day 2).

She pulled this shit because she was impatient about getting a sub, too lazy to go and find her own (like I'd suggested earlier on since I was having a lot of difficulty), and probably mad that I didn't immediately succumb to her demands when I did find a sub (hadn't replied to her yet, just locked the game thread in response (which she likely noticed), hence she came on here right after to post her role).


I suggest you stop defending people who clearly have no regard for hosts or their fellow players.

She's already getting banned lol what else do you want, no point continuing to pile in on her. I'm not defending her actions, ive already stated I agree with the repercussions and told her to grow up.

People signing up for games and then giving zero effort/attention to them is infuriating and will continue to be an issue after she's gone.

I think personally we should just start allowing dead players to rep back into slots under certain circumstances. Used to happen all the time but now seems like we'd rather have slots doing literally nothing than use that as a solution.

 

[Ultra]

She's already getting banned lol what else do you want, no point continuing to pile in on her. I'm not defending her actions, ive already stated I agree with the repercussions and told her to grow up.

People signing up for games and then giving zero effort/attention to them is infuriating and will continue to be an issue after she's gone.

I think personally we should just start allowing dead players to rep back into slots under certain circumstances. Used to happen all the time but now seems like we'd rather have slots doing literally nothing than use that as a solution.

Fuck me that's a grim solution

I think a large part of the problem is that there are players who are serially inactive or require subs and hosts never ever ever for the life of them crack down or do some quality control on their playerlist without those players being explicitly banned. You know what I'm talking about. At a certain point it's like "well, what do you expect." Subbing out should be a recourse available for everyone but if it's a habitually occurrence or something smells off it needs to be investigated and then the best way to deal with it is honestly preemptively. Without being too snobby/elitists hosts need to be a bit more pruning in sign ups.

Just a simple "hey are you actually going to play this or sit there drooling like you got a lobotomy?" check for when someone with a reputation /ins

 

[Goth Boy]

I sometimes wonder why

 

[Goth Boy]

What's the point of letting this stuff be public
You guys aren't classmates or cousins hanging out at Grandpa's house

 

[Ultra]

What's the point of letting this stuff be public
You guys aren't classmates or cousins hanging out at Grandpa's house

Not sure if you knew this but this is the mafia general, not the "Simping for E-Girls" general

 

[Lord Melkor]

Fuck me that's a grim solution

I think a large part of the problem is that there are players who are serially inactive or require subs and hosts never ever ever for the life of them crack down or do some quality control on their playerlist without those players being explicitly banned. You know what I'm talking about. At a certain point it's like "well, what do you expect." Subbing out should be a recourse available for everyone but if it's a habitually occurrence or something smells off it needs to be investigated and then the best way to deal with it is honestly preemptively. Without being too snobby/elitists hosts need to be a bit more pruning in sign ups.

Just a simple "hey are you actually going to play this or sit there drooling like you got a lobotomy?" check for when someone with a reputation /ins

Do we have big enough player base for it though? It is very hard these days to fill 16+ players games. Maybe we should do more 12-13 players games, which allow for approx. 3 mafia team and one indie. I will try to host setup this size maybe still in August.

 

[Poyser]

I think subbing dead players back in is largely fine. You've just got to be a bit sensitive with it. I personally wouldn't sub back in a dead player that mafia have killed unless they give the ok, or that the sk kill unless they give the ok (if still alive). I'd also maybe not sub somebody in if mafia have extended great effort to get them lynched or somebody that is super pissed off about being lynched. Basically you don't want to negatively effect the game through subs. But if people get vigged/lynched then I think its generally alright

 

[Ultra]

I think subbing dead players back in is largely fine. You've just got to be a bit sensitive with it. I personally wouldn't sub back in a dead player that mafia have killed unless they give the ok, or that the sk kill unless they give the ok (if still alive). I'd also maybe not sub somebody in if mafia have extended great effort to get them lynched or somebody that is super pissed off about being lynched. Basically you don't want to negatively effect the game through subs. But if people get vigged/lynched then I think its generally alright

Resubbing Dead players is a failure of resource management in a game environment where we're tracking ranked statistics and stuff should be avoided when possible. Just means you should run smaller games to begin with if you're having to resort to that. You also don't wanna become like WG where it starts becoming a meta level expectation and someone like Flower dies and is just like "whatever I'll sub back in anyway". It's obnoxious as fuck.

 

[Fujishiro]

She's calling you a bitch because that's exactly what you are. You've been one ever since the anonymous game, and probably long before then aswell.

Hope I never see your clown face around here again.

- Sincerely, Lime

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

 

[Flower]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

Lolfla fr .

 

[Fujishiro]

I just hosted a game on Fanverse and she was like that, too. I told her to stop posting since she was dead and then she kept posting anyway and I had to tell a mod to threadban her. I‘m the Queen of putting effort into a game and getting way too frustrated as a result, but here she actively got herself modkilled and hurt her own faction. It‘s normal to have a meltdown when you take things seriously and put effort in just for nothing to matter (she‘s like me in that regard), but it‘s not okay to literally cost your team the win or at least a chance at winning just because you‘re salty.

Well said little Hobo, have some change.

 

[Goth Boy]

Why am I even bothering

 

[Fujishiro]

Lolfla fr .

So it was him all this time.

 

[Fujishiro]

Why am I even bothering

Whats up middy.

 

[hime]

She's already getting banned lol what else do you want, no point continuing to pile in on her. I'm not defending her actions, ive already stated I agree with the repercussions and told her to grow up.

What I want is for people who were not at all involved nor know the full extent of the situation to stop acting all holier than thou. It's annoying especially coming from my friend who basically avoided my game like the plague.

You've said worse things to people before for less yet it's somehow morally wrong for me and my partner to call someone who purposefully tried to ruin my game (not only for me as the host but for other players who put in their time and energy into it) a bitch?

If you have issues with inactivity in the section or whatever that's fine, just don't want someone criticizing word usage when I'm a pretty inexperienced host who just had my game intentionally ruined

 

[Goth Boy]

Whats up middy.

Lmao

Trying to tell adults to act like adults is weird now

 

[hime]

I just hosted a game on Fanverse and she was like that, too. I told her to stop posting since she was dead and then she kept posting anyway and I had to tell a mod to threadban her. I‘m the Queen of putting effort into a game and getting way too frustrated as a result, but here she actively got herself modkilled and hurt her own faction. It‘s normal to have a meltdown when you take things seriously and put effort in just for nothing to matter (she‘s like me in that regard), but it‘s not okay to literally cost your team the win or at least a chance at winning just because you‘re salty.

Didn't expect to see you back here, Flower

Also I see, heard about that game from her since she said she was upset about being shot Day 1, but didn't know she resorted to rule-breaking right after. Probably wouldn't have let her play if I knew that.

By the looks of it, it happened only 1 week ago too... ._.