Like I understand what you are saying but it still feels off to me. Like Vibranium is bullshit, news at 11 but how hard was Tony holding back then? Especially when he wanted to take Bucky in due to knowing he killed his parents explicitly?
They can’t beat down Stark without Stark holding back.
there were multiple times where Tony could’ve murdered Cap and you see him decide not to
the only way you see Steve and Bucky damage hin was with the sheild that can Block Thor, and the metal arm.
Ironman with electricity does very well. Him getting struck by Thor made him stronger
but the first suit always seemed to me much better in durability than every other suit sans Infinity War and Endgame. The worst offender is Ironman 3 imo
To think this all started from Gordo claiming Sony Morbius wrecks MCU Cap and BP.Gordo you are lying.
you see them moving in the background before Ultron flies. Because they’re panicking
nice of you to ignore him dodging energy beams casually
again, if you say there aren’t any feats then use scailing. And that’s only gonna scale him higher
i’m fine with Cap being super sonic tho.
The sheild is without question blocking hits from Thor, so I don’t see the problem there. Cap himself isn’t MCB in strength I don’t think
Not the same suit.
his nanotech suit is likely his most powerful suit. And it happened AFTER Civil War, so Tony obviously improved the tech.
They were moving and making noise beforehand, you even admit thisAm I now?
They react when they fly right at Cap…who’s in front of them. They barely make a sound beforehand
Those same Ultron bots can chase a Jet in that very same video you postedHow fast do you think those generic energy blasters are? These are the some bots that can be handled by Hawkeye and Black Widow
Ultron bots are literal jobbers
The durability is relevent because we’ve seen That sheild damage characters like Ultron. So it scales to its DC in piercing damage.The argument is for strength, not durability of the shield. If it was durability, we wouldn’t even be having this discussion
Dude…this is literal copeThey were moving and making noise beforehand, you even admit this
they screamed louder. Big whoop. They’re not “reacting” to Ultron.
And yet they were killed by Hawkeye and Black Widow, do you think the car that ran them over was moving faster than a bullet too?Those same Ultron bots can chase a Jet in that very same video you posted
you making an argument for incredulity doesn’t make anything here less inpressive. They’re definitely faster than bullets.
The durability is relevent because we’ve seen That sheild damage characters like Ultron. So it scales to its DC in piercing damage.
We don’t know anything about that Ultron other than the fact Cap can fight himThe durability is relevent because we’ve seen That sheild damage characters like Ultron. So it scales to its DC in piercing damage.
He doesn't.Yeah, because he does wreck Cap
If that was true both iron-man and war-machine not just dodging every hit from Steve would mean they can't react to their own speed. Which obviously isn't true.Morbius is a meme but at least he doesn’t punch at 70 mph lol
Of couse I pulled it out of the respect thread. Comicvine is the easiest place to get a short clip of these feats.Dude…this is literal cope
Just admit you pulled that out of his respect thread and didn’t watch the fight beforehand, that’s ok
They made a bigger noise because they see him charging at them. That’s, like, the entire reason they screamed to begin with
Are you mixing my arguments?And yet they were killed by Hawkeye and Black Widow, do you think the car that ran them over was moving faster than a bullet too?
We don’t know anything about that Ultron other than the fact Cap can fight him
this was pre-vibranium Ultron
SooooooOf couse I pulled it out of the respect thread. Comicvine is the easiest place to get a short clip of these feats.
>They were literally panicking screaming throughout when Cap tackled him into the subway.
>They grow louder when Cap is in the air already flipping.
yeah they didn’t react to Ultron.
I didn’t mix it up. Why couldn’t they fly out of the way instead of being run over? If their flight speed is up to par that is, they would have flown out of thereAre you mixing my arguments?
I argued that the lasers were definitely faster than bullets.
and that the flying Ultrons were chasing a jet
If an Ultron minion gets squashed by a car, then It’s likely their durability is pretty trash. That doesn’t disprove my arguments for their flight speed and projectiles. At least the feats relevent to this argument aren’t
Bro come the fuck on. I literally stated this beforeWhy would this place him at MCB level?
Cap himself isn’t MCB in strength I don’t think
Yeah when he was standing still, Gordo. They literally can’t keep up with their fightSoooooo
He can still be perceived. I’m glad you agree, my friend :)
I really can’t tell what scene you’re referring to exactly.idn’t mix it up. Why couldn’t they fly out of the way instead of being run over? If their flight speed is up to par that is, they would have flown out of there
Dude, Ultron. Not Cap lmaoBro come the fuck on. I literally stated this before
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You are intentionally ignoring what we see on screen then^
Yeah when he was standing still, Gordo. They literally can’t keep up with their fight
I really can’t tell what scene you’re referring to exactly.
does this have literally anything to do with the lasers that Cap is repeatedly dodging here?
The Ultron scene was a response to what you said about how there is nothing we can say about Ultron beyond the fact that Cap can fight him.Dude, Ultron. Not Cap lmao
why would this Ultron be MCB level
you’re literally the one who posted the gif of him taking bullets
They literally barged into the subway and were fighting infront of them.You are intentionally ignoring what we see on screen then
Because those normal ass people aren’t r at two guys they can’t see
The cut is weird because it immediately cuts to Clint already ducking and the blast already passing him by.It’s on Sokovia, and I only brought it up because you brought up the jet thing
if you want to bring up the blasters then that’s fine, Clint was able to react to one of those too
Well like I said, the original argument was that Cap can hit at MCB level with his shieldThe Ultron scene was a response to what you said about how there is nothing we can say about Ultron beyond the fact that Cap can fight him.
it doesn’t mean anything in regards to MCB level. At best it’s just consistent with Cap’s sheild being able to break shit like Tony’s armor and Bucky’s arm.
But in that specific moment, they were able to see it. It’s not really a feat to use, at least not a good oneThey literally barged into the subway and were fighting infront of them.
just because civilians are watching people fight and screaming doesn’t mean they’re reacting to their attacks.
Are Superman and Zod sub-FTE just because people are gaping at them fighting?
Yeah, but what Cap did was also aim dodging. There’s multiple different ways to tell if one is aim dodging or not and Cap honestly fits the bill for that tooThe cut is weird because it immediately cuts to Clint already ducking and the blast already passing him by.
thats essentially how Endless Mike used to describe aim dodging
See what? We don’t see from their perspective. They’re not reacting to their attacks. They’re literally a captive audience that can do nothing but scream and gawk. Again, you see this shit with Superman and most media.But in that specific moment, they were able to see it. It’s not really a feat to use, at least not a good one
We see him dodge while he’s on the air and the blasts are already heading towards him. That’s NOT aim dodging. If the projectile is already in motion and he moves out if the way, he dodged itYeah, but what Cap did was also aim dodging. There’s multiple different ways to tell if one is aim dodging or not and Cap honestly fits the bill for that too
*shrug*Well like I said, the original argument was that Cap can hit at MCB level with his shield
That what this argument was for! This whole thing could have been avoided lol*shrug*
I don’t think that MCU Cap is MCB. At best he can defend from MCB attacks and pierce peope with similar durability to Ironman’s Mark 46 and a bullet proof Ultron.
if the Ironman Mark 46 is MCB, then sure. If not then its not.
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