OBD Convo #48: WAGA TAMASHII

[Gordo]

Yea there's a difference between the king ki dama and Goku ssj3.
King ki dama literally could also use multiple planet's energy during the frieza saga doesn't make frieza multiplanet level.

It’s directly stated Gohan’s ki was being pulled, and we know it’s suppose to be taking a lot of power since it drains people. Planets don’t have ki, they have another energy that’s used

Yes because Gohan was already dead from being blown up and unconscious. If SS3 Goku was enough to beat Kid Buu, Ultimate Gohan would have done it effortlessly.

He says this at the very end of the fight. After Gohan and everyone else was alive

No

Super Buu even on his own, Goku admit he’d be killed trying to fight directly

Compare that to how lax he and Vegeta are against Kid Buu, where it’s stated twice Goku’s Super Saiyan 3 would be enough to kill Kid Buu if he could sustain its full power

There’s a bunch of factors to that

1) Goku was still keeping up the lie that he can’t beat Buu
2) Goku regrets that he didn’t fuse in the very same page you posted

Though honestly it doesn’t matter if Goku is stronger than Gohan and Super Buu or not. Kid Buu is clearly stronger than all three of them

The anime is even worse. You got Vegeta and especially Goku at just SS2 giving Kid Buu a fight thanks to scenes added in.

Manga has Vegeta getting laid flat in seconds and Goku going straight to SS3 against Kid Buu since anything less is worthless

The anime had SSJ1 Goku deck Buuhan in the face

 

[Astaro]

Switch version it is. Go fuck yourself Sony

 

[Gordo]

Also this is the type of shit we try to avoid in this forum, where shit SB and other forum as using as if just this wording equates to same shit as SSJ power ups.

Gohan (+ others combined) can’t kill Buu with their power

That’s as simple a statement as it gets. He’s not strong enough to kill Kid Buu but he can kill Super Buu

 

[shade0180]

Switch version it is. Go fuck yourself Sony

after PS 3 I never cared about Playstation.

 

[shade0180]

Gohan (+ others combined) can’t kill Buu with their power

That’s as simple a statement as it gets. He’s not strong enough to kill Kid Buu but he can kill Super Buu

 

[Astaro]

He says this at the very end of the fight. After Gohan and everyone else was alive

Alive but on the other side of the universe with no way to teleport to the afterlife and Goku and Vegeta opting for the Spirit Bomb because they want the whole Earth involved in saving the day this time. And Goku can’t even move from his spot while going for the Spirit Bomb

There’s a bunch of factors to that

1) Goku was still keeping up the lie that he can’t beat Buu

That’s bullshit. Goku never lied about such things. He was confident in being able to beat Fat Buu and Kid Buu, never Super Buu

2) Goku regrets that he didn’t fuse in the very same page you posted

Because it’s obviously much easier. Goku was confident enough against Kid Buu compared to Super Buu that his SS3 was enough but he failed to consider that in a mortal living body, SS3 drains even faster than before.

Though honestly it doesn’t matter if Goku is stronger than Gohan and Super Buu or not. Kid Buu is clearly stronger than all three of them

Nope. SS3 Goku when he was dead could kill him, Super Buu in turn can kill Goku, and Ultimate Gohan is the strongest non-Fused character in DBZ

The anime had SSJ1 Goku deck Buuhan in the face

Freeby. Super Buu let’s even guns pierce him

 

[Claudio Swiss]

I don’t buy base Super Buu being stronger than Kid Buu in the manga though

Goku made it very clear Kid Buu was going to kill everyone in the universe (Gohan included) if they lost to him

Nah Super Buu literally had Goku shit himself over the mere thought of fighting him

 

[shade0180]

Yes King ki dama has always been sucking some form of energy we don't know if it's ki or someshit. we know normal humans has no ki until they have some from of training but even then they can contribute to the king ki dama same with planets, plants and every other shit that exist in the universe..
The king ki dama is not a form of a energy ruler. or some shit the exchange for it's killing/destructive energy doesn't equate to the energy that it sucked. This literally has been emphasized in the frieza saga.

 

[Gordo]

Don’t shoot the messenger

The Japanese text in the manga made it clear Kid Buu really was hot shit all along. Almost like the English translations left those out

 

[Gordo]

we know normal humans has no ki until they have some from of training

All life in the universe has ki. This is stated and shown repeatedly

 

[Astaro]

Probably worth mentioning the Spirit Bomb seems to only take in Base energy since Gohan, Goten and Trunks all did it Base. Goten and Trunks could have fused into Gotenks to provide even more energy if such weren’t the case

 

[shade0180]

All life in the universe has ki. This is stated and shown repeatedly

dude even then rocks and trees can contribute to the king ki dama shit still stands that king ki dama isn't using ki. you can be as obtuse as you want you ain't going to change the mind of the people here as you are clearly debating on bad faith.

Also not using ki energy as an attack is a thing in Dragon ball example is Tien's kikoho. Which literally weakens him the same way every time he uses it. Its power doesn't reflect Tien's power level or even Ki.

 

[Claudio Swiss]

Also can we not do Buu debates

 

[Astaro]

Super Buu was a genuine threat from beginning to end.

Kid Buu required Goku and Vegeta catching the idiot ball repeatedly for there to be any kind of struggle between refusing to Fuse or Goku simply bringing Gohan to Kai’s realm to deal with Kid Buu in 5 seconds

 

[Gordo]

Alive but on the other side of the universe with no way to teleport to the afterlife and Goku and Vegeta opting for the Spirit Bomb because they want the whole Earth involved in saving the day this time. And Goku can’t even move from his spot while going for the Spirit Bomb

Kid Buu is going to kill everyone in the universe if they had lost

That’s what was stated. Gohan and everyone were alive at that point, Buu would have still ended up killing them all

That’s bullshit. Goku never lied about such things. He was confident in being able to beat Fat Buu and Kid Buu, never Super Buu

Because it’s obviously much easier. Goku was confident enough against Kid Buu compared to Super Buu that his SS3 was enough but he failed to consider that in a mortal living body, SS3 drains even faster than before.

Your own pages state otherwise. He wouldn’t have regretted not using the Potara

Goku has been lying about his power throughout the arc since he lied to Piccolo. He finally tells the truth to Vegeta

Nope. SS3 Goku when he was dead could kill him, Super Buu in turn can kill Goku, and Ultimate Gohan is the strongest non-Fused character in DBZ

Nope, EoZ Goku is the strongest non-fused character

Both stated by Toriyama and proven in the manga when he has Kid Buu level power in base form against Uub

Freeby. Super Buu let’s even guns pierce him

That’s not the face of someone who’s gonna let it happen lol

Probably worth mentioning the Spirit Bomb seems to only take in Base energy since Gohan, Goten and Trunks all did it Base. Goten and Trunks could have fused into Gotenks to provide even more energy if such weren’t the case

He has the bangs

It’s Ultimate

 

[Gordo]

Also can we not do Buu debates

You’re right

That’s my last post on the matter. Good debate :)

 

[NostalgiaFan]

Also because I saw yet another "who is your waifu?" that I have barely fucking idea who anyone is I went and made more;

I have no clue who the hell June is.

 

[Astaro]

Kid Buu is going to kill everyone in the universe if they had lost

That’s what was stated. Gohan and everyone were alive at that point, Buu would have still ended up killing them all

Probably because he’d just go for straight up blowing up planets over refusing to fight anyone. There’s no reason Gohan can’t take him when he’s easily manhandled a stronger Buu

Your own pages state otherwise. He wouldn’t have regretted not using the Potara

Because again, he didn’t realize until it was too late he can’t maintain SS3 like he could while he was dead.

Goku has been lying about his power throughout the arc since he lied to Piccolo. He finally tells the truth to Vegeta

Who’s he lying to? No one else there but Vegeta who he has no problem confessing to just a chapter later that he can take Kid Buu on his own.

Nope, EoZ Goku is the strongest non-fused character. Thanks to Both stated by Toriyama and proven in the manga when he has Kid Buu level power in base form against Uub

Irrelevant anyway.

That’s not the face of someone who’s gonna let it happen lol

Looks like surprise from something that did superficial damage anyway.

He has the bangs

It’s Ultimate

Literally no difference. Based on Goten and Trunks not even being Super Saiyans, let alone fused. Gohan’s in Base

 

[Adamant soul]

Beyond the painfully fucking obvious statements from Goku confirming Super > Kid, literally why would Super be weaker?

It's Kid Buu + the power of another Kai on top and we have no reason to believe this one weakened him, unlike with the Fat Kai which happened because he was so pure.

The only reason Gohan's energy "isn't enough" is because it's the final fight of the series and Toriyama wanted the Earthling's to all contribute including Mr Satan who got them off their assess.

Super Buu > Kid Buu

 

[Limu&Doug]