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OBD Convo #54 Hail to the Queen Baby

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Claudio Swiss said:
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Yeah, I knew this was gonna start popping up more often...
Scar was NEVER right, that's the entire problem with his philosophy and it was gonna end with him dead. Hell, his entire deal with Winry about to shoot him is not only realizing she was in his right(and would only fight her in self-defense, not to murder her in turn) was the fact she looks just as angry as he did.

There's a reason his fellow Ishvalan survivors(and the Major in Briggs) told him he basically is shitting on everything Ishval stands for with his actions with the latter being absolutely livid by him and stating in no uncertain terms how much shit he will have to fix up because of what he's done. It's even more insane considering a huge number of State Alchemists and Soldiers DESPISE what they did in Ishval to the point no one had any issue with Roy exposing the entirety of the war crimes they committed that would lead them to potentially going to jail for life(with only Roy and Riza's actions throughout the story stopping them from going to jail). It gets even more insane when if you actually seen the Manga or Brotherhood, Basque Grand? The very first State Alchemist Scar killed? He explicitly killed a CO who told him to go and just murder all of the Ishvalans because even knew the war was bullshit and explicitly went against the order as much as he could(and it's even noted what he did was NOT unique to him as many soldiers killed their COs doing the same shit).

So Basque Grand deserved to die for... daring to keep casualties to a minimum? Or was it because he didn't go and try and assassinate Bradley on the spot? I swear, people cannot fathom or understand nuance at all in that just because the leader is an evil piece of shit, it does NOT trickle down to the soldiers nor why the Numberg Trials was a thing(Especially when they was explicitly selective as shit which is well known at that).
 
Xhominid The Apex said:
Yeah, I knew this was gonna start popping up more often...
Scar was NEVER right, that's the entire problem with his philosophy and it was gonna end with him dead. Hell, his entire deal with Winry about to shoot him is not only realizing she was in his right(and would only fight her in self-defense, not to murder her in turn) was the fact she looks just as angry as he did.

There's a reason his fellow Ishvalan survivors(and the Major in Briggs) told him he basically is shitting on everything Ishval stands for with his actions with the latter being absolutely livid by him and stating in no uncertain terms how much shit he will have to fix up because of what he's done. It's even more insane considering a huge number of State Alchemists and Soldiers DESPISE what they did in Ishval to the point no one had any issue with Roy exposing the entirety of the war crimes they committed that would lead them to potentially going to jail for life(with only Roy and Riza's actions throughout the story stopping them from going to jail). It gets even more insane when if you actually seen the Manga or Brotherhood, Basque Grand? The very first State Alchemist Scar killed? He explicitly killed a CO who told him to go and just murder all of the Ishvalans because even knew the war was bullshit and explicitly went against the order as much as he could(and it's even noted what he did was NOT unique to him as many soldiers killed their COs doing the same shit).

So Basque Grand deserved to die for... daring to keep casualties to a minimum? Or was it because he didn't go and try and assassinate Bradley on the spot? I swear, people cannot fathom or understand nuance at all in that just because the leader is an evil piece of shit, it does NOT trickle down to the soldiers nor why the Numberg Trials was a thing(Especially when they was explicitly selective as shit which is well known at that).
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This is why I really liked how in Black Clover, we have Yami almost immediately pointing out the hypocrisy of Patry's plan because he's basically doing the exact same thing that the people he hates (humans) did.

Because yeah, JUST because a specific group of humans centuries ago did a fucked up thing, that doesn't justify doing the same shit to their descendants who ultimately aren't even aware that it happened. Bare in mind neither the Elves or the Third Eye members differentiated between the Nobles and the common citizenry.

Then of course we got Asta re-emphasising this when confronting Patry himself by saying that what the humans did to the Elves was unforgivable, but he can't forgive what Patry did either.

But of course some of these people really love that whole guilty by association nonsense. That's how you get people saying Aizen or Moustache are justified in their actions which...just no. :jordangif
 
Adamant soul said:
But of course some of these people really love that whole guilty by association nonsense. That's how you get people saying Aizen or Moustache are justified in their actions which...just no. :jordangif
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... I don't even get how that fucking works...
Sosuke Aizen is never seen as any rebel and even his reasoning for deposing of the Soul King isn't based on bucking the system, but him being in charge and being an actual God rather than a lynchpin.

Yhwach is even worse because the dude has literally killed Quincy just to make him and his selected batch stronger and his ultimate ideal, while seeming fine under the surface(aka removing death so that people can live forever) would not only result in the destruction of 3 Worlds but also leave the remainder in the equivalent of the Primordial Chaos still under the threat of Hollows popping up to try and force some level of change still devour them.
Like Uryu is fucking right in that unironically, the person orchestrating the extinction of the Quincies... is Yhwach himself, something Haschwalth himself knows which is why he betrayed Yhwach at the most pivotal moment.
 
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