OBD Convo #58: We are the Heroes of Justice

[Xhominid The Apex]

Okay 1st episode done and I was somehow still NOT prepared for how BAD this was gonna be.

First off
"This is NOT a matter of religion anymore, it's science."

Actual line from the episode and I can already see Adi incessantly trying to scientifically explain shit that doesn't need to be explained. Like how demons and humans apparently have similar DNA due to common ancenstry, which is obviously to explain WHY they can have kids with each other, which DOESN'T need to be explained. You're overcomplicating it for no reason

You acknowledge that the existence of demons proves God's word as FACT but chalk up the religious elements to "different mythologies have the same stories for a reason". You write off the magic element to say "demons methodologies may SEEM medieval but they're understanding of Quantum mechanics is FAR beyond ours" to justify the world separating spell (done by Force Edge here) and the amulet key that will apparently break it.

Then we had the "political satire" scene which I cringed the whole fucking way through along with the crazed religious nut.

Also you mean to tell me that America would have this "DARKCOM" organization to deal with demon shit (which makes sense by the way, I don't have anything against the idea) but the fucking VATICAN wouldn't have any anti-demon defences at all?

Also a bunch of human guys with a net-gun are not subduing Lucia, much less torturing her without her devil triggering and flying her ass the fuck out of there. Unless she's not a demon here, which wouldn't make sense if she's still using her blades as her main weapons which was shown.

Also also, the Vice President (who runs Darkcom) ordered ALL Devil Hunters be brought to them, you had them capture Lucia (who should be on an island outside of American jurisdiction mind you) but not anybody from FORTUNA. The place that has a religious ORDER of demon hunters.

• Dante being surprised by a demon disguised as a human is not a thing (man can tell, play DMC4)
• Dante passing on jobs because he's "bored" is NOT a thing (if he takes a job, he sees it through)
• The White Rabbit has Vergil's amulet, that better not be Vergil being "possessed" already which they said was a thing strong demons do because they can't physically cross over.

That was thirty minutes and it felt like every other minute, i would have to stop to process something else stupid that happened. There's seven more fucking episodes of this shit.

Honestly, we knew it was gonna be shit but it still amazes me that two series in a row where God explicitly exists in, Adi keeps on acting as if God either doesn't exist, He does exist but he doesn't give a fuck about anyone and "works in mysterious ways" or somehow it's the "faithful" that is always so evil, God just washes his hands of shit because "fuck having actual good religious folk right?".
But I do find it weird that they keep trying to go full SCIENCE... and then forget that RELIGION has been keeping science around during it's darkest times though, something well known and well founded.

 

[NostalgiaFan]

Okay 1st episode done and I was somehow still NOT prepared for how BAD this was gonna be.

First off
"This is NOT a matter of religion anymore, it's science."

Actual line from the episode and I can already see Adi incessantly trying to scientifically explain shit that doesn't need to be explained. Like how demons and humans apparently have similar DNA due to common ancenstry, which is obviously to explain WHY they can have kids with each other, which DOESN'T need to be explained. You're overcomplicating it for no reason

You acknowledge that the existence of demons proves God's word as FACT but chalk up the religious elements to "different mythologies have the same stories for a reason". You write off the magic element to say "demons methodologies may SEEM medieval but they're understanding of Quantum mechanics is FAR beyond ours" to justify the world separating spell (done by Force Edge here) and the amulet key that will apparently break it.

Then we had the "political satire" scene which I cringed the whole fucking way through along with the crazed religious nut.

Also you mean to tell me that America would have this "DARKCOM" organization to deal with demon shit (which makes sense by the way, I don't have anything against the idea) but the fucking VATICAN wouldn't have any anti-demon defences at all?

Also a bunch of human guys with a net-gun are not subduing Lucia, much less torturing her without her devil triggering and flying her ass the fuck out of there. Unless she's not a demon here, which wouldn't make sense if she's still using her blades as her main weapons which was shown.

Also also, the Vice President (who runs Darkcom) ordered ALL Devil Hunters be brought to them, you had them capture Lucia (who should be on an island outside of American jurisdiction mind you) but not anybody from FORTUNA. The place that has a religious ORDER of demon hunters.

• Dante being surprised by a demon disguised as a human is not a thing (man can tell, play DMC4)
• Dante passing on jobs because he's "bored" is NOT a thing (if he takes a job, he sees it through)
• The White Rabbit has Vergil's amulet, that better not be Vergil being "possessed" already which they said was a thing strong demons do because they can't physically cross over.

That was thirty minutes and it felt like every other minute, i would have to stop to process something else stupid that happened. There's seven more fucking episodes of this shit.

Once again, did DMC ever make mention of being in our earth and it's history? Because I thought it was it's own thing with no America or Vatican or any of our real world religions?

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

@NostalgiaFan @Adamant soul
Looked at the whole plot summary of someone who watched the whole series:

It gets worse from there, stop watching. It somehow makes Castlevania look better.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

I'll put the spoilers in here for anyone who just wants to rip the Band-Aid off because... I'm not even joking:

Spoiler

The whole plot revolves around the rabbit guy (human) wanting to take revenge on the human world for helping demon immigrants getting into the human world, as the demon refugees gets gunned down, leaving him barely alive, and using demonic blood to keep him alive. He plans as using Eva's amulets to do a realm merge

A paramilitary of demon hunters backed by the government to hunt down demons - this is where Lady fits in. Her story still has the general same beats as before. Demon refugees in the human world are thing now, as Lady while being hunted by the plant demon from DMC 4 and Cavaliere (Not Trish btw) meets encounters them, hears their story, and gains sympathy. Also, Lady uses a special poison bullet that's effective against demons

Demons theorized in the show that they're humans but adapted to a different dimension

Dante here is DMC 3 Dante but doesn't know about his demon origins until the series progresses. Just like in the novels (I think) Enzo (If I remember correctly one of Dante's friends in the novel, a main figure in Dante's early life that predates the events of the game)

Mirage Edge is here that transforms into Devil Sword Sparda used by the rabbit guy in the final episode but now resembling an abomination, think of Hulk. And stabs Dante with the it, taunts Dante about Eva and Vergil's death. Lady then interferes saving Dante, and Dante grabs Devil Sword Sparda and kills the rabbit guy

Final scene reveals that the government's paramilitary end goal was to start a war against the Hell, as they literally bomb demons (some showing to be just people living and innocent), invade the demon world, and start building bases there. Dante gets knocked out by Lady as he leaves casually thinking they're friends, she does this via injection

Basically, it's just more "Humans are worse than Demons" and "Demons are good guys but being controlled by Mundus " bullshit.
It completely defangs the entire premise of Devil May Cry just to focus ultra hard on Humanity is Worse which was already done in Netflix Castlevania and just as shit but atleast the Night Creatures was actually EVIL, this completely removes all of the bite of Demons for that same shit.

 

[Adamant soul]

@NostalgiaFan @Adamant soul
Looked at the whole plot summary of someone who watched the whole series:

It gets worse from there, stop watching. It somehow makes Castlevania look better.

Yeah I just watched episode 2, which was better when it was just Dante beating the shit out of a bunch of mercenaries.

Then they had Lady (who is using her real name even though she should have discarded it at this point and have no name yet, ONLY her mother who is dead is allowed to use her real name) go full girl boss and, NOT ONLY successfully take Dante's amulet off him but ALSO manage to capture him basically single-handily.

And of course she's doing R3MAKE Jill of swearing like a sailor trying to sound cool when it just makes her sound like an edgy bitch.

Anyone remember when the games were able to make Lady a badass, cool and likable WITHOUT making her an edgelord?

What's the summary?

 

[Astaro]

Its really funny how all these R/Atheism cucks that haven’t read one lick of history believe Christianity holds back their precious science

They should really take a break from such “scientific breakthroughs” as arguing men being able to get pregnant and perhaps look into why so many college institutions and hospitals around the world are named after Saints

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

What's the summary?

I'll put the spoilers in here for anyone who just wants to rip the Band-Aid off because... I'm not even joking:

Spoiler

Basically, it's just more "Humans are worse than Demons" and "Demons are good guys but being controlled by Mundus " bullshit.
It completely defangs the entire premise of Devil May Cry just to focus ultra hard on Humanity is Worse which was already done in Netflix Castlevania and just as shit but atleast the Night Creatures was actually EVIL, this completely removes all of the bite of Demons for that same shit.

It's literally the post above yours.

 

[Adamant soul]

It's literally the post above yours.

Which you posted as I was making mine, I hadn't seen it yet.

And yeah that's fucking BAD.

Now obviously the games had the message that humans COULD BE (okay COULD be) every bit as bad as demons (3 of the 5 main villains of the games are human in Arius, Arkham and Sanctus) and that there COULD BE kind and compassionate demons (Sparda, Trish, Lucia) in this universe. It was more a question of the individual rather than making any kind of statement on a race as a whole but the demons were still, BY AND LARGE, the worse of the two species and deserved everything they got.

This shit is just typical nihilist edgelord shit that ascribes the deeds and attributes of a few bad seeds on to an entire species.

Between that, Mary Sue Lady and the incessant need to science everything up, I do think I'm done.
I'm not wasting any more of my time on this crap.

It's WORSE than DmC, it's WORSE than the reboot, yeah I said it. I don't know how the fuck you managed it Adi but you did, I hope your proud of yourself.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

It's WORSE than DmC, it's WORSE than the reboot, yeah I said it. I don't know how the fuck you managed it Adi but you did, I hope your proud of yourself.

Worst part was I was thinking that exact thing but I didn't want to say it so I wouldn't fall into despair... but yeah, it's legit worse than DmC: Devil May Cry because atleast the Demons ARE ultimately evil but it's more their nature and there are a few that can be more moral than any human.
How does Adi fucked up so hard?!

 

[Adamant soul]

Once again, did DMC ever make mention of being in our earth and it's history? Because I thought it was it's own thing with no America or Vatican or any of our real world religions?

It's never been said weather it is or isn't supposed to be our world. I kind of assumed it WAS and we just kept setting everything in fictional locations so they didn't have to fuck with anything.

Though Bayonetta definitely IS supposed to be our world so I make of that what you will.

 

[NostalgiaFan]

Worst part was I was thinking that exact thing but I didn't want to say it so I wouldn't fall into despair... but yeah, it's legit worse than DmC: Devil May Cry because atleast the Demons ARE ultimately evil but it's more their nature and there are a few that can be more moral than any human.
How does Adi fucked up so hard?!

Because he is the definition of a try hard manchild who never got out of his cringy fedora tipping atheist days and is looking for any excuse to shit on christianity and western culture while sucking up to msm critics.

Combine that with him being Indian and you start to understand where so much of his bitterness comes from. No offense to the ones here who aren't edgy assholes but Adi is the prime example of the kind of dude that makes you guys look bad.

 

[LeonLex]

How does Adi fucked up so hard?!

He didn't fuck up, he brought his vision back to life aka did the same dumb shit that happened in Castlevania and that Captain Laserhawk cartoon which was cringe but funny at first, but quickly went down the drain.

 

[NostalgiaFan]

It's never been said weather it is or isn't supposed to be our world. I kind of assumed it WAS and we just kept setting everything in fictional locations so they didn't have to fuck with anything.

Though Bayonetta definitely IS supposed to be our world so I make of that what you will.

Last I heard Bayo is in an altogether different universe, while DMC never even uses iconography for real world countries and religions, much less mention them. It feels like it would not make sense because how would that even work with the world knowing about guys like Sparda and Demons once ruling the world with stuff like real world Christianity and Jesus.

As shown in this show, it can end up as utter shit. Being fair tho, having Jesus be real in DMC and not only meet and convince Sparda to side with Humanity, but joining him in battle would kickass. The kind of awesome stuff a redditor like Adi would never do.

 

[Astaro]

Adi is basically Garth Ennis minus the gratuitous rape and toilet humor when it comes to writing

 

[Adamant soul]

About the ONLY positive I can say about the show is that the action scenes are good...shame about everything else.

Dante playing dancing games just to lose and look the fool is a scene that happened in episode 1 by the way. Obviously it was meant to be a nod to the dance scene from DMC5 but absolutely NO understanding of why THAT scene is funny and this one is just cringe.

At first I thought it was the ending, which would work if this were Bayonetta but it is NOT. The actual ending theme is a remix of Devils Never Cry so it IS in the show but not the opening as it should be.

Now all I can do is hope to God he never gets his hands on Bayonetta. Cereza would be a butch lesbian Mary Sue so fast our heads would spin. Not to mention imagine this guy with a series where the angels actually ARE the bad guys. I shudder to think of it.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

About the ONLY positive I can say about the show is that the action scenes are good...shame about everything else.

Dante playing dancing games just to lose and look the fool is a scene that happened in episode 1 by the way. Obviously it was meant to be a nod to the dance scene from DMC5 but absolutely NO understanding of why THAT scene is funny and this one is just cringe.

At first I thought it was the ending, which would work if this were Bayonetta but it is NOT. The actual ending theme is a remix of Devils Never Cry so it IS in the show but not the opening as it should be.

Now all I can do is hope to God he never gets his hands on Bayonetta. Cereza would be a butch lesbian Mary Sue so fast our heads would spin. Not to mention imagine this guy with a series where the angels actually ARE the bad guys. I shudder to think of it.

The funny part is that's not correct:
The Angels are the Bad Guys(Unless you are a Lumen Sage)... but so are the Demons in Bayonetta(Bayonetta 2's huge chunk of the plot is what happens the second a Demon is off the leash). In actuality, Bayonetta 3 and the entire franchise heavily imply Madama Butterfly is unironically Sparda-like as a Demon(Even when every other Demon under Bayonetta had a chance to betray her, Madama never did) and she's the reason why Bayonetta isn't suffering far worse at the end of 3 alongside Luka.

Adi will absolutely butcher that though easily and effortlessly.

 

[Lazywaka]

 

[Blade]

i always knew tameem antoniades was the misunderstood modern picasso of this modern era, all the haters, mad at him, cause he was lightyears ahead


he always knew, there will be someone like adi to make, an even worse dmc series than him

get em, champ

 

[Blade]

jokes aside, i knew adi's dmc anime would be so much worse than the dmc reboot game, i even said it on older streams

plus, here is a funny story, months ago, i replayed the reboot dmc game, again, on pc, in great quality, plus the gameplay was solid 60fps and easily dmc4 levels, had bugs fixed, better framerate and all, the ps3/x360 consoles of that game, sucked for a reason = obv limited hardware compared to pc, plus bugs and bad framerate

we can meme it all we like, we know how bad that game is, but still, it had a lit ost, and some actual cool scenes, meanwhile the nu anime, so bad, the whole trailer showed us from the start, it would suck

as for donte? at least donte never hide it, that he was a super douche, he was a heel from the start, and it was actually semi refreshing to see, that, in the final acts of the game, he mellowed a bit, and started to care for the human side

the game overall was, literally a try hard, pseudo gritty western version of dante land, and they showed it to ya, from the start, with a bit better writing, it would be actually above average levels

in fact, many dante fans actually said, that if this game was a spin off taking place on another part of the verse, and donte had a dif name, along with the rest of the chars, they would easily liked it better

let's not forget, ninja theory had gems in it's arsenal, games wise, like enslaved: odyssey to the west and heavenly sword, legit 7th gen era gems, super underrated games

meanwhile, adi, tries so hard to show us and tries so hard to impress us that he knows about anime and vgames a lot, yet, he fails, worse than a sb kimetsu stan, on that part, he might be a chill dude irl, but from what i saw a bit, in interviews and all, even johnny (the va), felt cringeish next to him, when he was promoting the series

in other words, reuben and daniel, are the main engines of the games/series, and without them, even johnny can't save it, no matter how hard he tries, and he knows it too

 

[Blade]

moral of the story? stop trying to adapt everything, either to anime or live action, some things, just don't fit, and if you make em, give the material to someone who actually knows the story/lore of the game/anime, so simple

stop ruining series, for no reason, stop forcing politics/sjw etc agendas and stuff, into this, and that's why peeps prefer to play emulators, way more, and for a good reason

we know why

cuz, it's the games we liked, upscaled and most of the times, fixed, with fan patches, for free

once again, so simple