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Game Ranked OLF Christmas Mafia 2023 (Day 9)

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Ultra
Can you tell me why you voted Aurelian beyond the memes
I read it as you trying to trigger him into an aneurysm for laughs but like

Is there anything beyond that
 
Flower said:
Also Poyser's play so far looks like his usual Town play where he acts all confident on a player and tunnels them until he gets proven right or wrong. Idk how much he leans into that as scum. But Idk why none of you guys consider that this could have been what happened with him and Fang. Just look at Poyser vs Ultra in Radiant.
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Yeah I think so too. Like I said before hes done this to fang in the past where they were both town
Caldust said:
WHY I THINK ODO IS SCUM

- Gram started the game claiming he’d caught me for certain based on my play in 20 fucking 19.

- He stated that Alco was his preferred direction but didn’t vote him until CP voted him. He himself mentions he doesn’t sheep, so this is weird. There’s an element of meta in this, but saying someone is your preferred direction and waiting until someone else votes them is poor

- He stated that he thought Luka‘s wagon was mostly scum on, but pushed a binary Luka vs Aurelian dichotomy. He has the sway to push something else, so this is lazy.

- He has softed that he has a role that would stop him being killed for a while. What on earth does this achieve other than being role copped? It also sounds like something that would give a handy excuse for a scum Odo to mitigate against “why are you alive spec?”.

- A fairly less known player was jamitored early which I suspect was done by a T1 to presumably present that this scum team won’t just be killing T1’s and give answer to why the “better” players are alive.

The last line works on the basis he’s scum, but there’s a lot here that makes me think we should push him now.
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didn't really care for the way he said he'd vote Luka because he liked my posts the best when nothing else he posted really seemed to suggest that and he kept shading the people on the Luka wagon in general
Flower said:
Also Sky's Town. Lynch her only over my dead body. Same for Lethal and Tweet.
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Why is sky town?
Ultra said:
I do like the bolded point at least for being something I observed, he kinda took a cookie on the wagon stack to snub the Luka wagon but didn't lean into the "reading Aurelian" aspect of things. That angle would present more difficulties, namely because Gram is historically quite correct about him
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Gram is NOT historically correct about aurelian lmao he's just as bad as poyser if not worse
Ultra said:
Flower doesn't look very town is my honest impression surprisingly. I think she only looks town in relation to her aggression towards Ratchet. Something about that combination of factors makes me smell Kabuki theatre, Flower isn't a risk taker and always always goes for low hanging fruit first. Don't buy her explanation that she's had a coming to God moment.
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Do you think she could be scum with ratchet and he told her to bus him hard?
Flower said:
I think he's obvious scum again. What part of me vibing with CP's case isn't getting through?
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So you think Luka is scum? Why?
Grammaton said:
Do you believe the lynch was unreasonable?
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Yeah I do actually
Grammaton said:
Wow, this is hot garbage lmao

Where did I act like I’d caught you for certain? Seriously, show me

Me being rolecopped would actually be a net positive, means the power roles stay hidden so again, explain your thought process

I didn’t say Lukas wagon was full of scum, my exact words were I’d be shocked if it ended well given who was on it

Can you explain why you voted Aurelian yesterday? You felt strongly he was town, I’ve never known you to go against yourself like that, and I find it kinda transparent that you’re attempting to gloss over that whilst also having a problem with what I did - at the point I said it should be luka or Aurelian, you had ample time to contest that if you hated it so much, so why didn’t you if my point wasn’t valid?
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See you're saying the Luka wagon looked bad because of who was on it but you literally joined it because I was on it and you said you liked my posts the best which tbh came out of nowhere for me. I saw you had Liked other people's posts but never Liked mine so which posts of mine did you supposedly like so much?
Ratchet said:
Think I'm happy to lynch Flower. The claim isn't pro town, stopping a lynch is typically anti town actually. I do think it would be pretty gross in the hands of scum but it's not really any worse than an execute.

So she entered today citing a trend that she observed. When asked to defend that she refused, and then switched her position to being entirely centric on the CP argument. BTW, the CP argument proposed flipping Luka first, so her going for me off the back of being aligned with Luka is putting the cart before the horse. Like the whole case from CP was I was bussing Luka to make Poyser look worse, she's pre flipping Luka here to skip actually getting that part cemented before going for me.

Then when I pointed out that she employed a bait and switch, she's ran off and disengaged again. None of this tracks as a legit thought process.
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You feel so scripted this game lol
Grammaton said:
I would rather you assessed my play than my role tbh
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Er then why do you keep hinting it so much
 
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Caldust said:
Yes I think he is the scum without stump.

1. His role hint is redundant, since he was telling porkies with it.

2. Scum used a role cop/tracker/watcher N1, know their own roles and there are claimed roles out there. So they have a pretty good lay of the land, not that stump is a hugely common role. Also possible that scum have fakes too.

3. I fake claimed Stump in Xmas Mafia 2018 as serial killer and he counter claimed me despite him being scum himself, without knowing I was scum or faking. So even then, we have evidence of him making a higher risk move as scum claiming stump in an Xmas MafiaZ
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2. Kind of feels like a generic response

3. Counterclaiming is different than bald claiming, you know this.
 
Only way I see flower as scum here is if she's playing in a lane ratchet provided her tbh

That's now two players I feel like have direct scum equity with ratchet

Pretty down to just yet ratchet. The way he ducked taking a stand on Luka/aurelian felt calculated to me
 
Caldust said:
Yes I think he is the scum without stump.

1. His role hint is redundant, since he was telling porkies with it.

2. Scum used a role cop/tracker/watcher N1, know their own roles and there are claimed roles out there. So they have a pretty good lay of the land, not that stump is a hugely common role. Also possible that scum have fakes too.

3. I fake claimed Stump in Xmas Mafia 2018 as serial killer and he counter claimed me despite him being scum himself, without knowing I was scum or faking. So even then, we have evidence of him making a higher risk move as scum claiming stump in an Xmas MafiaZ
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Tempest said:
Yeah I think so too. Like I said before hes done this to fang in the past where they were both town

didn't really care for the way he said he'd vote Luka because he liked my posts the best when nothing else he posted really seemed to suggest that and he kept shading the people on the Luka wagon in general

Why is sky town?

Gram is NOT historically correct about aurelian lmao he's just as bad as poyser if not worse

Do you think she could be scum with ratchet and he told her to bus him hard?

So you think Luka is scum? Why?

Yeah I do actually

See you're saying the Luka wagon looked bad because of who was on it but you literally joined it because I was on it and you said you liked my posts the best which tbh came out of nowhere for me. I saw you had Liked other people's posts but never Liked mine so which posts of mine did you supposedly like so much?

You feel so scripted this game lol

Er then why do you keep hinting it so much
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I followed on luka when there were 4 or 5 votes, I can’t remember how many. There were 11 votes when I made that post. Not complicated

I’ve outright claimed it for fucks sake, mainly because there wasn’t any reason to withhold it further (even though apparently some thought I was claiming PGO?????)

And no, the Aurelian wagon was fine in and of itself, to suggest anything else is revisionist horseshit. He was given ample time and space to play and still stunk the joint out. Obviously that was exploited, but in a vacuum it was justifiable
 
Ultra said:
2. Kind of feels like a generic response

3. Counterclaiming is different than bald claiming, you know this.
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2. I don’t think it’s a big deal claiming stump this early, sorry if it’s generic.

3. No, he bald counter claimed. He was not the stump. He just thought I was fake claiming, so he BALD fake claimed stump himself
 
Grammaton said:
I followed on luka when there were 4 or 5 votes, I can’t remember how many. There were 11 votes when I made that post. Not complicated

I’ve outright claimed it for fucks sake, mainly because there wasn’t any reason to withhold it further (even though apparently some thought I was claiming PGO?????)

And no, the Aurelian wagon was fine in and of itself, to suggest anything else is revisionist horseshit. He was given ample time and space to play and still stunk the joint out. Obviously that was exploited, but in a vacuum it was justifiable
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It's not revisionist when I said he was town and poyser couldn't read him for shit and was adamant we should lynch Luka
 
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