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Game Ranked OLF Christmas Mafia 2023 (Day 9)

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Ultra said:
Alright just a quick sanity check here

Luka's early posts:


Luka's later posts, under pressure:


...How does anyone not see a massive shift in what content is being produced here?

Like, the first 10 minutes of the game they are making posts that try to sound legitimate, rubber stamped, but then shortly devolve into complete nonsense when live posting

Here's what I think happened - because the first group of posts all occured in like the span of 10 minutes which is crazy - I think Luka had scoped out the thread a bit and already figured out some talking points to use.

Then the moment he ran out of cue cards it's pure drivel and OMGUS lol
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This isn’t really how he operated last game though?
 
Tempest said:
So I'm going to categorically rule out Ultra/Ratchet being teamed here, as it is not in either player's scum meta to play in each other's lane and tie themselves to the hip like this. Especially over something like trying to get a Luka mislynch d1, at the expense of battling it out with a Gram/Poyser tandem. I think the inverse is true with Gram/Poyser going hard to defend a Luka town read against players who know him better.

Given this, I think that what Ratchet/Ultra are saying about Luka obviously has to have some merit. They both have more experience playing with him than either Gram or Poyser, who I do think have biases against Luka's playstyle. Also, as someone who was teamed with Luka last game, I actually thought he played quite well and managed to keep a consistent narrative throughout the game despite being hyper active, which is impressive for anyone to do as scum. I felt like Gram was discounting that quite a bit in the dead QT so not surprised to see him continue to discount Luka's ability here. I think it's genuine coming from him at least. Not really sold on any of Ultra/Ratchet/Poyser individually but can at least rule out Ultra/Ratchet being teamed and I think Gram is town.

I also have to say that I wouldn't be surprised if Ratchet and Luka are teamed again. Ratchet jumped on Luka as soon as it was pointed out that he flipped his poyser read on a dime. Last game Ratchet mostly pushed his teammates and I could see him wanting to mostly town-side again here, especially if he's drawn scum for the third time in a row. Ultra came to it much more organically. But actually most of Ratchet's focus has been shading poyser's reason for town reading Luka which comes off as trying to make him look bad on a Luka scum flip to set up a poyser mislynch d2. Maybe he's on to something and poyser is protecting his teammate but I don't think poyser's progression fits that theory super comfortably

In other words I think Ultra/Ratchet are right but I think Ratchet is a little too sure that he's right and is trying to set up poyser for a fall here
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Also in another point to this - they’re sussing him for not keeping a consistent narrative this game, something you just complimented him on doing in the last game. Considering they were both in that game and directly involved with luka (ratchet being teamed and ultra sussing him), that gives red flags
 
Ultra said:
I can see the angle. I think it's a bit easier for me to buy equity with Poyser, not for the defense but the way he kinda seemed to play all sides before the discussion took off, and Luka's backtrack on him. Dunno about Gram
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How was I playing all sides exactly? I was sussing you fairly softly (as in I noticed some things I didn’t really like but not exactly sold or anything) and then said I completely agree with what you’re saying about luka. Not really playing all sides is it?

I genuinely think that thinking me and luka might be aligned is completely batshit. It makes no sense whatsoever
 
Ratchet said:
I think you're extrapolating a lot from what is actually given here. On principle I don't mind how you came to the conclusion, but my issue with Poyser is primary his jutlstification for town reading Luka which came at a pretty convenient time for him. I absolutely believe they can be teamed, but I'd give Poyser a fair shout regardless of Luka's flip/it wouldn't be the sole thing I use to read him. That is, after all, why my vote is on Luka and not him. I wouldn't say I'm too sure about being right either - his read progression reads to me as obviously manufactured so I'm going to handle that how I see it. The reason I don't mind your conclusion though is that if you're going to tie a player to a scum mate (in this scenario he would be your scum mate) you'd be better served following my lead or just siding against me entirely (in the event you're scum with Poyser and Luka). But this, however, is a silly gotcha attempt. Yes I agree with you, by and large I wouldn't be against it and would even support it, but I also think Polar is likely scum (you reacted in agreement to that, so I know you're aware of it), given that my vote was there before Luka I'm perfectly happy to go back to that under Ekko's given premise, I was asked where I'd vote so not a fan of how you've framed this. I can only vote once!
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Absolute dreck
 
Grammaton said:
Yeah but to not trust the claim, you have to have an alternative explanation

I’ll tell you now that rdk didn’t give a prescribed miller fake, which means you’d have to believe that he might be faking it - does that seem likely to you?
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What do you mean exactly by giving a fake? As in RDK would NOT give a fake miller claim to a player? If you're saying that I'm not convinced about the miller claim, then yes, that's true.
 
Tempest said:
Tweet killin it with some of these lmao
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Grammaton said:
Yes, I’m saying RDK did not tell lethal that faking miller would be safe

So with that in mind, if you’re not convinced its legit, what’s your take on what lethal is doing?
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To be perfectly clear I don't know what he's doing because usually a miller claim is something you reveal off the bat so I do have that in consideration

BUT

I can see Lethal if it is fake using that claim as a safeguard given past games where he's fumbled his role as scum but this is now setup specc territory

If it's not fake then him tunneling me would be in line with his town play but in RDK's last game Ratchet was my Mason partner who was the GF so I can't fully dismiss my distrust
 
Sky said:
Changing under pressure is a scum tell in a certain number of cases... I don't have the energy to do so but someone should check Luka's last game (scum) and see if he easily changed his posting style when sussed
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Changing under pressure is not a scum tell at all ya dingus. Can you just take 5 seconds to read through your thoughts and parse them through your brain before you post. TOWNIES change under pressure ALL THE TIME

Ive already posted about how Luka responded to pressure last game btw, and it was mostly to express being frustrated that people aren't reading his posts properly or ISOing them and presenting the case that they had "no reasons" for thinking he is evil. Completely different to how he's handled being sussed in this game, which was far more aggressive and more in line with his previous town game, where he read people as scum based on the fact that they didn't have him as obvious town which he felt he was
 
Bachi said:
Apparently Luka is frozen in time on page 6, he is omgusing Ultra-Poyser, and Ratchet in his spare time, so yeah, I believe that he didnt even looked over Polar`s posts.
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he replied to polars posts tho so obviously he did? what is this take?
 
Gadministraitor said:
Should also state that I obviously find Poyser dodging that question with an idk bad as well.

But all deserve a chance to explain themselves under the Hanukkah spirit.
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Its not dodging the question, because i replied
Am I supposed to make up an answer thats not true or?
 
Ratchet said:
You are conflating two different terms by "historical trends", you know this because you quoted the posts. What the fuck am I reading - meta is one thing, Polar being pressured in other games isn't meta, it's completely irrelevant.

How can I be distancing from a wagon that doesn't even exist? What are you on about- I was asked by Ekko who I would go for if Luka was taken aside, I said Polar - my vote was on Luka before I just moved it to you. Get out, you obviously just came into this thread to push an angle, which happens to line up with what you were pushing last game when you were scum, I've seen enough.
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What is this last line saying? What angle was he pushing last game when he was scum?
 
Evans said:
I think Sky is probably town. I'm null on the others. I don't think Luka's posts are fabricated like Ratchet's suggesting but I wouldn't say it makes him town after watching his scum game last game.

I think you're town and I'd put Ultra there too as I agree with your point about Ratchet/Ultra not tying themselves to each other so heavily if they're teamed.

I think Tweets PR is legit, can't see him going to so much effort to fake a PR where he has to make memes lol but NAI.

Could see Poyser as scum and the whole Luka argument is just a way for Poyser/Ratchet to distance from each other tbh.
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Im not sure on Evans but the last line kinda makes me think he's town lol. I'd be his biggest supporter here in going for ratchet, so if scum it doesn't really make much sense to try and alienate me instead of getting me onside?
 
I'm about to hit the hay as it's quarter to 4am here so if anything else ask now otherwise I'm pasding out in the next few mins
 
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