Game Ranked OLF Christmas Mafia 2023 (Day 9)

[Ratchet]

If you isolate my play around him, or his play around me, then sure you could argue there is some distancing there. Taking them both into account together tho, there is just no way. Again, he had me as his top town read in basically his first post, which is already bizarre to do to a teammate, then I decided to abandon my own sus of Ultra, only to AGREE with his points about Luka being sus, which again is kind of a weird thing to do to a teammate in general esp as its completely unneeded as I'd already sewed the seeds of suspecting ultra and not trusting him, but especially one that has made you his top town read. He reacts to this by completely abandoning me as his top town, and accusing me and ultra of being 2/2 caught scum together. If you stop it here then MAYBE, AT A PUSH, you could say maybe we are making a show of distancing here, but then I COMPLETELY abandoned my sus of him in order to town read him and defend him very strongly, which makes it make very very little sense to be a distancing play in the first place because like??? there is no distancing involved. Then on top of that, as I start defending him, he completely drops his suspicion of me in order to push you along with ultra instead lmfao

It's absolutely ridiculous to even suggest this is a distancing attempt. And even if you do really want to go there instead of considering you may be wrong, to call it rudimentary distancing is the craziest thing I've ever heard. It'd be the most complicated and nuanced distancing attempt I've ever seen!

Surely you don't believe this screed


At the absolute most I'll give you that rudimentary is probably harsh, but "the most complicated and nuanced distancing you've ever seen"? Really???

 

[Poyser]

But it doesn't - should I be qualifying every read I post with "oh but I could be wrong" or something? You're acting like I've had compelling reason to switch my reads and just haven't, but you can't provide a single part to any of the reads that I ought to have changed and didnt. It's absolute nonsense, how do you think this makes sense? Come off it

Also, I actually did laugh out loud at this part. Whether you agree or not, I've literally provided plenty of parts lmao

 

[Poyser]

Surely you don't believe this screed


At the absolute most I'll give you that rudimentary is probably harsh, but "the most complicated and nuanced distancing you've ever seen"? Really???

Im sorry, I just cant believe that this is genuinely a thought process you're having

Also to switch gears a bit, what of Aurelian's posts made you think he looked fine?

 

[Ratchet]

Well your initial angle was that you saw NO WAY how Luka could get from point A to point B, and I provided a pretty clear way for how he could get there as town, so I'd expect some consideration for that yeah, but you expressed zero doubt whatsoever and just doubled down and threw me into the mix instead

I had you in the mix from his progression though, I attacked you from your read of him. Key difference - you're acting like my suspicion was driven purely from what you did which isn't the case.

I also think your explaination for Luka's transition doesn't really line up with his town game, but given that you talk about being influenced, how come the perspective offered by Ultra and I in regards to Luka's town game hasn't been considered by you at all given that we're a bit more familiar with it than you are?

I rest my case to be honest

 

[Poyser]

I had you in the mix from his progression though, I attacked you from your read of him. Key difference - you're acting like my suspicion was driven purely from what you did which isn't the case.

I also think your explaination for Luka's transition doesn't really line up with his town game, but given that you talk about being influenced, how come the perspective offered by Ultra and I in regards to Luka's town game hasn't been considered by you at all given that we're a bit more familiar with it than you are?

I rest my case to be honest

How can you ask me a question and then say you rest your case before I've even responded

Fake as fuck

 

[Sigismund]

Oh this thread blew up. what did I miss so far?

 

[Ratchet]

Im sorry, I just cant believe that this is genuinely a thought process you're having

Also to switch gears a bit, what of Aurelian's posts made you think he looked fine?

His early ones, over his thread entrance. Just struck me initially as confident, it's not a read I'd say I'm 100% on :^)

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For example this strikes me as a player who doesn't really care about perception which is not what I know from Scum Fang.

 

[Poyser]

His early ones, over his thread entrance. Just struck me initially as confident, it's not a read I'd say I'm 100% on :^)

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For example this strikes me as a player who doesn't really care about perception which is not what I know from Scum Fang.

See to me, he isn't really usually like that as town and would normally just get stuck into giving thoughts

Here he made about 5 excuses for why he has none

 

[Ratchet]

How can you ask me a question and then say you rest your case before I've even responded

Fake as fuck

I mean you can respond, have at it even. Think I'm done for my part though

 

[Ratchet]

See to me, he isn't really usually like that as town and would normally just get stuck into giving thoughts

Here he made about 5 excuses for why he has none

I haven't seen much beyond his entrance, I do think he tried to give some thoughts early, they just wasn't developed. I suppose I'd give him the rest of today before re-evaluating.

 

[Poyser]

I mean you can respond, have at it even. Think I'm done for my part though

Lmao, you're done with what? Is this one of those lame gotcha attempts you mentioned earlier?

Its fairly easily explainable, I did take Ultra's read into account, and agreed with it! Until Luka came along and reacted in a way that seemed completely different to how he reacted to situations last game when he was scum and then I changed my mind. Once I defended him, I did converse with you on your opinion, and tried to explain things from my side, and took into account what you said from your side. However, the examples you brought up from his previous scum games didn't really seem relevant or track with the specific reaction he had in this game which is why I dismissed it for myself. I also don't think Ultra particularly brought anything compelling after that defence, other than saying he's better than Im giving him credit for but that was never really what I was doing in the first place lol

 

[Sigismund]

Ah Poyser vs Ratchet, the usual, I havent missed much then

 

[Poyser]

I haven't seen much beyond his entrance, I do think he tried to give some thoughts early, they just wasn't developed. I suppose I'd give him the rest of today before re-evaluating.

Posting from work but sup

Vote lynch Watson

I don't like your meme post

I haven't read anything besides the OP tbh

Who we lynching

Kind of want to lynch Sky now

Well if Ratchet is town he should end up getting killed at some point in the night phase, if he isn't dead by d4 then he's probably scum.

Polar meh, cba to care.

You've convinced.

Vote lynch Sky

As we know women embody the antithesis of Xmas

These posts are what you'd consider his entrance, as after this he was missing for like 7 hours lol. Not really sure where you're getting that impression from?

 

[Grammaton]

Ah Poyser vs Ratchet, the usual, I havent missed much then

Yeah no need to read back dw

 

[Ratchet]

These posts are what you'd consider his entrance, as after this he was missing for like 7 hours lol. Not really sure where you're getting that impression from?

My impression was he didn't care about how he was perceived, I just told you where that came from too. How can you not be sure?

I agree fwiw that he's made a lot of excuses though

 

[Poyser]

I'm just gonna selectively cherry pick only to posts and posters concerning my well being. Hope no one thinks this is too scummy! Haven't paid attention to really anything Ekko or Prof have said. Will give an opinion after I do a proper read back and catch up now that I'm home and about to eat dinner.

he never actually did this btw

Ultra is many things. A sexist, a misogynist, a chauvinist, a b*****, bully, but he is NOT a communist. Or scum.

And this is something that truly sticks out as there is no basis for him to be so confident ultra isn't scum lol, nor would I ever expect him to be so sure of something like this so early in the game. he doesnt tend to like town clearing ultra in general afaik

 

[Poyser]

My impression was he didn't care about how he was perceived, I just told you where that came from too. How can you not be sure?

I agree fwiw that he's made a lot of excuses though

I haven't seen much beyond his entrance, I do think he tried to give some thoughts early, they just wasn't developed. I suppose I'd give him the rest of today before re-evaluating.

I meant this impression

 

[Grammaton]

Fwiw assuming Aurelian is scum, I think ultra would be almost certainly not aligned with him

 

[Poyser]

Fwiw assuming Aurelian is scum, I think ultra would be almost certainly not aligned with him

agree

 

[Poyser]

shame @Magic isnt here, he'd love lynching aurelian D1