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Game Ranked OLF Christmas Mafia 2023 (Day 9)

magic with the heindsight heroism. ral was playing rly scummy. i cant hold it against ppl for wanting to yeet him

we know tpein is mafia and he didnt vote ral. it must have been awkward for his team to save him. ral entered that day with voting flower too and susing watson so he didnt make it easy on himself either outside of the claim
 
outside of myself no one is really claiming youre good, sorry m8. they dont know you.

who is your final solve. i gotta read from the start.
You claimed I was the only player capable of the SK reads.

I need to read back for a final solve im afraid. I’m not going to offer one now
 
btw what do you suppose would have happened if I had targeted Gad with my PR giver? :hmm Gad, who had an ACTUAL PR?

I get the feeling he'd have had to follow them together, and the reason Tweet isn't following his meme PR is because it was never real
could you literally not have given gad a pr?
 
magic with the heindsight heroism. ral was playing rly scummy. i cant hold it against ppl for wanting to yeet him

we know tpein is mafia and he didnt vote ral. it must have been awkward for his team to save him. ral entered that day with voting flower too and susing watson so he didnt make it easy on himself either outside of the claim
Nah. Ral was Townie before that day tbh.
 
magic with the heindsight heroism. ral was playing rly scummy. i cant hold it against ppl for wanting to yeet him

we know tpein is mafia and he didnt vote ral. it must have been awkward for his team to save him. ral entered that day with voting flower too and susing watson so he didnt make it easy on himself either outside of the claim
it isn't hindsight heroism if 1) im right all the time in these scenarios 2) it comes during live play.

tpein didnt know ral was a mason. if they were teamed he would have known this.
 
Can you just look into Evans? He's making me go insane.
Again, a point in his favor from my POV
Shades Magic here. Reads like it's agenda driven. I read Magic tonally as town, mechanically null.
Instinctual read
I did in the ISO
1. You're soft to hard town lean
2. Evans soft town lean to null

Reasons:
For you, go back to the ISO. Your approach and tone (much like Lethal's) gives me the stronger gut instinct
He does this and coordinates with me, I considered this a point in his favor
Tonally how he is scumhunting I am fully okay locking him town

He showed up at an opportune time - let's use it to our benefit
Because there's a reason he's trying to get you and Evans to work with one another and not against each other because he knows it's due to hypertunneling
Here's the thing, he did not use the hypertunneling - why would he, as scum, not pit two players against one another?
but I'm giving you the best case scenario instead of the worst, because I think we lucked in
I'm echoing his approach to mediating
I have no idea
For me, he's asking the right questions

This was part of him trying to consider a different scenario. It doesn't come across as opportunistic fmpov. I figured he was also stuck on the mechanic portion of Ral like the rest of us.

1. His entrance gave me a strong gut read.
2. His approach to solving and deliberating over not just one scenario but alternative ones mirrored Lethal's town play, who I locked town. This further cemented my read on him at this point by comparing Letha's meta and Magic's town meta. I could be pocketed, of course, he can and wil play 5D chess as scum if he's trying to get into my head.
3. Mediation is invaluable for me. It may not be for anyone else but it tends to be a townie trait that helps solidify my reads.
4. The right questions for me.

For me, I don't think scum would bother with presenting an alternative that a player could be town. It isn't their job. It's town's job.

These might be absymal reasons, but do note alot of what defined my read of Magic to begin with was on instinct which can't really necessarily be explained. It's an abstraction. There's some things that are concrete like how he approached the Ral fiasco presented in the above quotes.

I'm not going to discount a world where Magic is pulling the wool over my eyes. Worst case scenario is he's indie, I just don't think he's Mafia.
 
yes and i asked how youre sure on ekko and sky being town.

sky is almost playing so weirdly that i think she might just be a red herring again.
I explained. Sky claimed to have been blocked on N1 and she also used her PR giver to make Odo give the PR “Skybox is town” instead of either players with PR’s. I think this is selfish play to purely confirm herself - thus more likely a town Skybox, as opposed to a team with Odo, Ratchet etc who’d tell her to use it on a PR.

Ekko is town I’ve said, because I don’t see the value add in faking info on a token VT with fewer posts than the host.
 
yes

it's either him (blockgate) or magic (n2 subgate + n3 commute)
speaking of which i can actually now confirm in not the Serial Killer.


you can't shoot if you commute. you can't commit any action.

i received the card from tweet last phase. everyone with the card knows you have to send out the card. guess who still has the card because they commuted and thus couldn't send out the card? yes this guy.

guess how many kills happened last phase. that's right, there was two. ergo me having the card confirms i commuted and the fact there was still 2 kills means the SK shot.
 
I explained. Sky claimed to have been blocked on N1 and she also used her PR giver to make Odo give the PR “Skybox is town” instead of either players with PR’s. I think this is selfish play to purely confirm herself - thus more likely a town Skybox, as opposed to a team with Odo, Ratchet etc who’d tell her to use it on a PR.

Ekko is town I’ve said, because I don’t see the value add in faking info on a token VT with fewer posts than the host.
Yeah, but, the issue with Ekko is, all a Vanilla Cop tells you is if somebody has a PR or not. If you learn somebody has a role, what would your first thought be with neither BG nor Vig outed yet?
 
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