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hime said:
This is entirely ridiculous and i am sure u know that too

T-pein is not really someone u can reason with
I have simply been playing and voting where I think is right and he has followed the last 2 days
It is stupid for u to expect me to waste my time trying to explain how it's not possible for me to be scum bc of x, y, z
go try and actually iso me and u will see posts of that have already taken place in dp2
You'll also see a brain dead magic in support of t-pein there


Ur either still alive bc scum or ur remaining pushes r garbage


I am being sussed to death over my stupid role which I can't do anything abt
I am pretty sure i would be seen as town by more ppl if I decided to be a liar instead and claim VT
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You didn't claim anything until you had the duel. And to be honest, again you're just responding to suspicion on you. Feel like you're just treading water here.

Here is why you're in my PoE

1 - you defended the Alco slot repeatedly
2 - You entered Day 4 with a very tenuous vote, not just a push, a vote, on me using logic that you're smart enough to know defeats itself. The very fact you make the argument answers the question you posit.
3 - Along with the above, you ignore the reads of dead players that you historically have deferred to, to make your push.

From that day, I do not believe for a second you really thought I was the best lynch available. You have Alco in your town leans, but the moment I offer him as a compromise you jump on with it. Why do this? You think I'm scum, why are you voting a town read there? Your PoE that day was obviously not given due thought too - you had Retro scum with me.

From that, I struggle to find the sincerity in your arguments.

Now let me speak about the elephant in the room. You are in everyone's PoE. Resolving slots that everyone has in their PoE before LyLo is optimal - if it's right, great, and if it's wrong, that's vital information for us to know. Instead of just defaulting to this, I've given you several days to just play and I've not seen enough to bet the game on you being town. I don't expect or want you to just roll over, but I do expect you to be analysing the gamestate and showing some wider solving considerations, and instead you just defend yourself and express frustration at the formulation of your position within the thread.

I suggest you use what's left of the day to work through a legacy solve, I'm pretty set on this. If you have anything you want to run by me etc then have at it.

Kweh!
 
hime said:
yea bc i decided to take revenge for a townie and carry out a death threat i made earlier
everyone sees it as me defending scum and being selfish af
my action wasnt even wrong
if he didnt die, i would be getting rid of a player who wouldve caused 4 additional town deaths had they been alive until this point
or 1 additional town death if u guys planned to lynch him next day
and he did die so it doesnt affect the lynch and everyone complains anyway just bc they can
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Well, you would have prevented the first scum flip, so can you really blame anyone else for this?
 
Ratchet said:
You didn't claim anything until you had the duel. And to be honest, again you're just responding to suspicion on you. Feel like you're just treading water here.

Here is why you're in my PoE

1 - you defended the Alco slot repeatedly
2 - You entered Day 4 with a very tenuous vote, not just a push, a vote, on me using logic that you're smart enough to know defeats itself. The very fact you make the argument answers the question you posit.
3 - Along with the above, you ignore the reads of dead players that you historically have deferred to, to make your push.

From that day, I do not believe for a second you really thought I was the best lynch available. You have Alco in your town leans, but the moment I offer him as a compromise you jump on with it. Why do this? You think I'm scum, why are you voting a town read there? Your PoE that day was obviously not given due thought too - you had Retro scum with me.

From that, I struggle to find the sincerity in your arguments.

Now let me speak about the elephant in the room. You are in everyone's PoE. Resolving slots that everyone has in their PoE before LyLo is optimal - if it's right, great, and if it's wrong, that's vital information for us to know. Instead of just defaulting to this, I've given you several days to just play and I've not seen enough to bet the game on you being town. I don't expect or want you to just roll over, but I do expect you to be analysing the gamestate and showing some wider solving considerations, and instead you just defend yourself and express frustration at the formulation of your position within the thread.

I suggest you use what's left of the day to work through a legacy solve, I'm pretty set on this. If you have anything you want to run by me etc then have at it.

Kweh!
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i have tried solving
to say i havent is dumb
i gave reads
i gave my preferred directions
i dropped a small case on luka
i gave considerations for ppl on whether they might be scum or not
to say i just defend myself and show frustration is entirely false when most of my posts have been otherwise
and ur position on this is contradictory too

on one hand u expect me to see some sense of urgency and try and convince ppl im not scum and on the other u say that u expect me to be solving instead??
pick one jeez

the more u post, the more i am convinced u r not town
would town ratchet really say such things?
 
And it's not even unreasonable to think scum expected it to just be a regular day kill. They knew Fang survived a shot, so not hard to figure out he was the Serial and who expects a Serial with a Desperado who gets killed by targetting Town?
 
i voted my town lean that day bc i thought there was a chance i was just stupid and it would help me trust u more if i went along with ur lynch idea and it turned out to be right
it did feel fine for a day but now, not so much anymore

i dont really know y u think i would immediately jump at the opportunity to get my teammate lynched when it was going to be my lynch that day otherwise
i tell my teammates that i am fine with them hardbussing me or whatever is needed if i am scum and being sussed
@Flower u even have experience with this in peaky blinders

i dont just try and climb over my dead teammates bodies
that is completely unlike my play
 
Dr. Watson said:
Do you think because he's LHF for town when he's scum that this would just kinda... happen for you?

He is so far removed from his scum meta it isn't even funny, along with his earnest attempts at solving, you're going to have to give better reasoning than "he hasn't done anything townie"
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Could you describe what is Lethal's scum meta to Mr?
 
hime said:
i voted my town lean that day bc i thought there was a chance i was just stupid and it would help me trust u more if i went along with ur lynch idea and it turned out to be right
it did feel fine for a day but now, not so much anymore

i dont really know y u think i would immediately jump at the opportunity to get my teammate lynched when it was going to be my lynch that day otherwise
i tell my teammates that i am fine with them hardbussing me or whatever is needed if i am scum and being sussed
@Flower u even have experience with this in peaky blinders

i dont just try and climb over my dead teammates bodies
that is completely unlike my play
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You know what my issue with your defense is?
 
hime said:
i have tried solving
to say i havent is dumb
i gave reads
i gave my preferred directions
i dropped a small case on luka
i gave considerations for ppl on whether they might be scum or not
to say i just defend myself and show frustration is entirely false when most of my posts have been otherwise
and ur position on this is contradictory too

on one hand u expect me to see some sense of urgency and try and convince ppl im not scum and on the other u say that u expect me to be solving instead??
pick one jeez

the more u post, the more i am convinced u r not town
would town ratchet really say such things?
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It's not contradictory - you've been entirely ambivalent towards T-Pein's tunnelling up until now, that's what I'm pointing out. What I want to see from you is a proper legacy - not frustrated/irate defences that aren't really helping either way.

If the last part is an attempt to sway me - lmao

Kweh
 
Flower said:
Feel like instead of clearing people and focusing on the PoE Luka tries casting a wider net which Idk how it even helps in our current situation. Feels a bit like straw grasping.
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He seems to be trying to widen the POE beyond thread consensus. Though not sure how he thinks it helps him avoid getting lynched if he is scum?

@Luka have you played with Lethal before?
 
The issue is it‘s based on pure WIFOM. Saying you wouldn‘t do this or that shows you‘re aware of your play and thus makes your entire defense void.
 
Dr. Watson said:
The only point I'll give you for any of this is it's a spectacular setup for a deepwolf scenario to mislynch you in order to cast doubt upon your play

Let's say you are town, those you target for blatantly empty and weak reasons for scumreading parts of the thread serves to rile up the thread
The issue is scum locking you entirely on this choice of actions you decide to make is we do have a deepwolf scenario and we have seemingly miscleared at least someone out of the PoE pile (perhaps it really is just a simple nisclear scenario only but X for doubt)

despite only really truly having Mel in your solve, something that goes against the grain and isn't necessarily a scummy trait as it'd go against team efforts to press for a slot that hasn't gained any traction

For any and all deepwolves, you serve as an excellent source of protein that they can't get anywhere else right now
I silently noted the previous phase where your behavior started getting suspected (yet overlooked this entire time) which is a good wolf routine to setup a counter lynch in the future, but that's it
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So GTH is Luka scum or town for you? Did i understood correctly you want Luka or Xadlin today? What do you think about Hime?
 
It‘s like this case:

Officer: So you are going for a walk every day at 7am even when sick and today you didn‘t. Very suspicious.
Guy: Yeah, I know I do that every morning, but today I didn‘t for (insert long list of reasons here), I‘m not suspicious trust me bro.


That‘s how this feels like.
 
Lord Melkor said:
So GTH is Luka scum or town for you? Did i understood correctly you want Luka or Xadlin today? What do you think about Hime?
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Misunderstood

If we were to go this direction out of Luka and Xad, I'd want Xad first

Actually Hime is a prime example of what I was getting at - she had some minor suspicion placed on the way Luka was approaching things previously, which is why I'm not locking him wolf to begin with, since that suspicion on Luka really only became a highlight these recent phases
Not something consistent like the uncertainty over, say, my own slot
Does that make sense
 
yea cba anymore
i have finals today and tmrw
this is a waste of my time
might as well get on with it

LEGACY
T1: T-Pein, Lord Melkor, Flower
T2: Xadlin, Lethal
T3: Watson, Tweet
T4: Luka, Ratchet

most to least likely to be town^
could swap lethal and watson potentially
in the case ratchet is town, tweet can move down a tier
 
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