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Great Potato said:
It's not the first phase anymore and this is dealing with him later. And when I say "deal with", I mean get him talking, because this is still super early in the phase and far from a cemented thing. I think it is important to apply pressure to Xadlin and Rugrat this phase which apparently has set you off.

As far as HWHNE is concenred, his behavior when in tandem with his claims set off some red flags of him being an independent, and it turns out I was right to feel red flags around his claim because he turned out to be bullshitting all of it.

I tried digging into T-Pein's behavior the last phase because I believe he's been playing a scummy game, and all I've gotten answered in return is people unable to defend his posts, but claiming him town because they belief that's not how scum T-Pein usually plays. I'm not sure of how to engage when people's posts are centered almost entirely around player commentary, but what I also don't understand in your read list from the last phase.



You spent a good portion of early last phase digging into T-Pein yourself calling him out for posting senseless horseshit only to post a read list where he is town. When and why did he become a town read for you after you called a lot of his early game into hard question and admitted that he fell off in the later part of the phase.

Why is Dr. Watson a town read for you when you've now acknowledged that they haven't contributed to the game? You claim my play of making cases around set-up were big red flags for you, but why is something you feel is scummy now, but gave you town vibes back when I actually made them?

Now you're playing like you were Gad's adamant defender in the last phase when this list is what you brought up as evidence for your effort. We were all there and any attempt you had to derail the train was limp at best.
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You can get him to talk without voting there and wasting time there. You think he'll talk more as town with pressure?

You were indy hunting and based of lf how he was talking about killing power. And no you weren't right to have red flags as he was town, as was fuji as was gad. Thsts 0/3.

He became a town read cause tpein plays like shit as town. Shit play doesn't make him scummy. I called him out cause he was Mia but on play still likely town.

I gave her a town read for her reaction to my push and she hasn't been back since.

You were all there so how many times did I ask others to vote Orca? How many times did I say odo's points against him weren't valid? Even if my effort was limp, it is still better than advocating 3 flipped town players as no town.
 
Magic said:
How can they claim his role with him still alive? How does that make sense. He would counter claim.
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He is scum so I dont think they can claim an additional town role but more of they have the janitored role someone can claim and then you give a scum tweet a free pass and to not claim so thats 2 virtually town like claims/not claims scum get
 
Great Potato said:
I'm not sure why you've made the claim that I've glossed over talking about Grammaton when I gave a town read on them the last phase, which I know you must have seen going through my posts:



I still stand by this. Gad made a fool of himself in the last phase. I'm not sure why you are expecting me to be focusing more energy on Grammaton because I hadn't gotten scum vibes for them.
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Speaking of this, why would you even think it would be inorganic or a forced solve prior to gad's flip? Like this is something generally said after a town flip on the player that pushes the wagon but you said it preflip

Why not just say you feel good about odo as you agree with his push on someone you also scum read?
 
Polar Bear said:
He is scum so I dont think they can claim an additional town role but more of they have the janitored role someone can claim and then you give a scum tweet a free pass and to not claim so thats 2 virtually town like claims/not claims scum get
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I'm not giving him a pass not to claim. I'm saying it serves no benefit at this moment for him to come forward because if he is town and had a power role then scum knows what they no longer have to look out for.
 
Magic said:
I'm not giving him a pass not to claim. I'm saying it serves no benefit at this moment for him to come forward because if he is town and had a power role then scum knows what they no longer have to look out for.
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You wouldn't get told if you were rolecrushed as a vanilla so yeah they know he was some sort of pr if he is telling the truth

On top of that the rolecrushes I've seen on wg have been for just a phase. He is saying he was perma role crushed and made vanilla which seems super powerful in a ranked game.

To even top why take a blind shot at rolecrushing tweet n1.

Thanks for the talk magic bc I now fully believe he is lying

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Btw I think Potato wanting to pressure Rugrat and Xadlin to get them talking is a point against Magics case that all Potato has done is cases based on setup spec

At the same time I will say that a cookie cutter vote to "get someone to talk" is simple enough for any scum to feign activity with
 
Magic said:
I literally deconstructed your case against him and said your most valid point was the one about him not voting but that might also not be meaningful if it doesn't match up with past behaviour/meta.

Believe you're also missing a post in there where I said he's just town after I read back further.

Not sure what you want. I didn't want him to be the wagon or lynch at any point. That's largely my point and it's supported by, ya know, never going through and asking people to vote elsewhere.
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Where exactly did you ‘deconstruct’anything?

If you felt so strongly that you consider my case ‘deconstructed’ then where’s the urgency to actually really push any alternative - where’s the attempt to actually persuade, convince or otherwise put your direction forward - you yourself are just repeating that you wanted your direction. Who did you try to cajole/convince/browbeat into following you exactly? You obviously feel people should have listened to you, so where’s the actions that match that?

Tbh this is probably a waste of time as I’m pretty convinced you’re just operating in bad faith here - I fully expect you to not really engage with this and airily declare it a waste of time.

How do you expect CP to approach you when he starts playing, out of interest? I already have a theory, but let’s see what you come up with
 
Though all things considered, even if I find them underwhelming at times, Potatos posts strike me as genuine thoughts

Which is more than I can say for certain Polar Bears around here
 
Magic said:
You can get him to talk without voting there and wasting time there. You think he'll talk more as town with pressure?

You were indy hunting and based of lf how he was talking about killing power. And no you weren't right to have red flags as he was town, as was fuji as was gad. Thsts 0/3.

He became a town read cause tpein plays like shit as town. Shit play doesn't make him scummy. I called him out cause he was Mia but on play still likely town.

I gave her a town read for her reaction to my push and she hasn't been back since.

You were all there so how many times did I ask others to vote Orca? How many times did I say odo's points against him weren't valid? Even if my effort was limp, it is still better than advocating 3 flipped town players as no town.
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My case on Fujishiro was perfectly valid. There appeared to be a big inconsistency with his story about thinking the Strawhats were town based off his rolesheet. It turns out he was Lola, the one zombie on Thriller Bark who shares a name with a Strawhat ally, and when I pieced together it was possibly the case then I backed off. His story wouldn't have made sense had he been any other character other than Lola.

As for Hulk Hogan, it is right to have a red flag about a town's statement when it's now confirmed that said town was lying out of his ass about those statements. I called out a guy who we now know was bullshitting the entire first phase, that's on him. As for Gad, I don't see how I'm to blame on that wagon. I spent the phase trying to push for T-Pein, but that doesn't mean I can't look back at that phase and say there weren't points towards him playing a bad game.

Magic said:
Speaking of this, why would you even think it would be inorganic or a forced solve prior to gad's flip? Like this is something generally said after a town flip on the player that pushes the wagon but you said it preflip. Why not just say you feel good about odo as you agree with his push on someone you also scum read?
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Because that post was in response to getting asked about my strongest town reads, which are Flower and Grammaton.
 
Grammaton said:
Where exactly did you ‘deconstruct’anything?

If you felt so strongly that you consider my case ‘deconstructed’ then where’s the urgency to actually really push any alternative - where’s the attempt to actually persuade, convince or otherwise put your direction forward - you yourself are just repeating that you wanted your direction. Who did you try to cajole/convince/browbeat into following you exactly? You obviously feel people should have listened to you, so where’s the actions that match that?

Tbh this is probably a waste of time as I’m pretty convinced you’re just operating in bad faith here - I fully expect you to not really engage with this and airily declare it a waste of time.

How do you expect CP to approach you when he starts playing, out of interest? I already have a theory, but let’s see what you come up with
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Mate I asked fuji to vote Watson with me then asked multiple people to follow on Orca with me.


I'm sorry my cases against people aren't as bulletproof as those that just go after 'bad' town play which everyone agrees is bad town play. God forbid potato is scum cause he talks sense despite being 0/3 on players on day 1 and then looking to push inactives on day 2. No the guy that town read the flipped townies must be operating in bad faith because he didn't go above and beyond to stop the wagon on his own. Come on man this is stupid as fuck.
 
I still don't like that all I seem to be getting so far is acknowledgement that T-Pein is playing like scum, but then glossing it over with bad play is a town indicator for him.
 
Polar Bear said:
You wouldn't get told if you were rolecrushed as a vanilla so yeah they know he was some sort of pr if he is telling the truth

On top of that the rolecrushes I've seen on wg have been for just a phase. He is saying he was perma role crushed and made vanilla which seems super powerful in a ranked game.

To even top why take a blind shot at rolecrushing tweet n1.

Thanks for the talk magic bc I now fully believe he is lying

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Let's see if someone claims the rolecrush on me down the line then

For the time being, Magics point that me claiming right now is a dumb idea is just a no-brainer
 
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