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Darth Nihilus said:
Also found how to kill the Aging Untouchable yesterday through trial and error

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The first one you meet drops an insanity power boosting talisman btw. The whole 20% for insanity happening in same area deal thing.
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I just accepted the fact I'd be eating that scissor slash if it initiated. You can dodge it, but doing so consistently required I get clipped by one of the first two slashes of the combo to stagger me before rolling? I somehow dodged it a couple times when he'd just go into from the jump, but I couldn't explain how given "roll into him" does jack shit in the 3 piece he does typically.

That said, phase one is pretty fair outside that. Phase 2 was a matter of keeping track of the fucking holy magic pillars on top of his slashes and those were easy to make mental mistakes on :skully

And a single mental mistake would end the fight 90% of the time in phase 2~
 
Darth Nihilus said:
Check out my flight on the last page lol

My heart was fucking racing

Fought that man for three days and nights

Bleed, rot, poison and freeze works on him

Maliketh's magic as well
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Well shit, his AOE had that much fucking range? Rolling into him really is the only way to likely dodge that shit up close :skully

Now that you taken the man down, its time to ragdoll him 1v1, no? :maybe

Glad you were able to overcome his obnoxious ass. Good shit dude.

Nah though, seriously, don't recommend the 1v1. Felt like I was wasting time I could have used to be more constructive the 3-4 hours I ended up fighting him.

A younger me would have liked to master this fight better, but I'll take bleeding him to death while mostly having a solid grip on phase 1 with the time I have to fuck around with it right now.

BTW, like when he does his Guts type attack here?

Just roll into him, sets up 1-2 free hits instead of just rolling away. You can do the same towards the end of his stomp combo and when he does his little flame poke and sweep too (though that's tighter timing if he begins a new combo).
 
ChaosTheory123 said:
Well shit, his AOE had that much fucking range? Rolling into him really is the only way to likely dodge that shit up close :skully

Now that you taken the man down, its time to ragdoll him 1v1, no? :maybe

Glad you were able to overcome his obnoxious ass. Good shit dude.

Nah though, seriously, don't recommend the 1v1. Felt like I was wasting time I could have used to be more constructive the 3-4 hours I ended up fighting him.

A younger me would have liked to master this fight better, but I'll take bleeding him to death while mostly having a solid grip on phase 1 with the time I have to fuck around with it right now.

BTW, like when he does his Guts type attack here?

Just roll into him, sets up 1-2 free hits instead of just rolling away. You can do the same towards the end of his stomp combo and when he does his little flame poke and sweep too (though that's tighter timing if he begins a new combo).
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Parrying him at that point was like a fucking myth and a dream

Even getting the riposte didn't do much unless you have high damage or you're using a modded game :heston

This is aside from the fact that he glitched into Phase 2 with FULL HEALTH TWICE within a day of each other
 
Someone put together the japanese of text of all dialogue and items etc.


Interestingly Elden Stars specifically uses "流星" for meteor/falling star, so even though it was translated as star, like Metyr, the Elden Beast fell to the Lands Between on a meteor.
エルデの流星最古とされる黄金樹の祈祷「伝説の祈祷」のひとつ無数の黄金の流星を生じ、周囲を攻撃するかつて、大いなる意志は黄金の流星と共に、一匹の獣を狭間に送りそれが、エルデンリングになったという
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I'm on a quest to make sure the star scaling stuff is airtight, so this being confirmed to be a meteor is good. One thing I'm stuck on is Sellen and Iji's constellation line uses a term along the lines of "flowing star" which is commonly translated as falling star, but given the prevalence of "falling star" used in english I'm very confused why, if this was not a constellation, that the TL Team would interpret this phrase consistently as "constellations". Makes me wonder if there's some other context I am missing for why they translated it this way.
 
Completely missed the Blue-White Wooden Shield though

Small wooden roundshield that has been reinforced with metal.
It is light and easy to handle, but cannot offer the damage negation
of a true metal shield.

The design is said to represent the stars of the night sky,
portending fate.
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The night sky being full of like, legit actual stars we can clearly see (even in Radahn's cutscene), should solidify that Radahn's seal upon the stars was affecting those and the meteors. The constant conflation of the night sky and fate is putting away any thoughts I had about it all being meteors. I will probably make a more comprehensive thread or blog or something on everything involving the scaling down the line.
 
Have an all rocks edition in the mean time, because its hilarious, if not incredibly lazy
ChaosTheory123 said:
You have nothing to discuss dude

The map isn't to scale, the crater excavated based on the day and night cycle should be about 24 times larger in all dimensions minimum given the day and night cycle takes an hour. Add to it the sheer number of projectiles flinging off into whatever part of the greater void of space they occupy you're also discussing an absurd KE value for the "all rocks" interpretation. Nothing is in atmosphere, there is no ablation to consider. Additionally, the bear minimum the field Radahn's repulsion extends would be at least be from where Radahn's ass to the other size of the planet given nothing is able to approach the world on his watch (would be pretty easy to slip in from elsewhere otherwise). Anything directly above Radahn's head is at least a planetary diameter away (if not further given shit opposite side of the world would be hovering no distance off the ground for example).

All that to say, even the "all rocks" interpretation is beyond One Piece because space rocks big and fast.
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Right, lets have fun with that quickly?

Radahn is an impediment to any sort of matter falling to the planet the Lands Between occupies. A good way to get around Radahn's gravity well shield would be to do it outside of his range, say the other side of the planet?

Problem being that this clearly doesn't occur as no such invasion from the opposite of the world is noted to have been able to occur.

Meaning?

His reach extends, at the minimum, the full planet's diameter in order to keep objects opposite where his scarlet rot riddled ass is meandering about in the desert in Caelid away from impacting and causing issues.

So, random rocks in the sky, more than a planet (Earth's, what else would I be using?) diameter away in terms of distance.

Let's make this quick and easy, albeit this is a bit sloppy because I'm doing this in about 5 minutes?

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"Star" Travel = 518 pixels
"Star" Diameter = 6 pixels
Average Static Star Diameter in Night Sky = 2 pixels

Visual Acuity's limits are? Visual acuity, basically the resolution of the naked eye, can perceive upwards of shit as small as 0.02 degrees and perceive it as its own distinct object without them all blurring the fuck together. As in, the stars in the background will appear no smaller than 0.02 degrees to our visual acuity because anything smaller will blend to appear bigger to our senses.

Average Static Star Diameter in Night Sky = 0.02 degrees

You all should know 6 divided by 2, no?

"Star" Diameter = 0.06 degrees

Distance From Radahn = ~12,742,000 meters


You have the "Star's" Diameter in degrees and we know how far into the sky it is, ergo we can solve its actual diameter~

"Star" Diameter = 13,343 meters

Volume = (4/3)PIr^3

r = "Star" Diameter/2

"Star" Volume = 1,243,193,857,810.997 m^3

Rock Density = 3,000 kg/m^3

"Star" Mass = 3,729,581,573,432,990 kilograms

There is too much going on screen, giving me a migraine, so forgive me for trusting Qawsedf234 on Vsbattles to count them all?

Number of "Stars" = 643

Total Star Mass = 2,398,120,951,717,413,000 kilograms

Next?

"Star" Travel/"Star" Diameter = 86.333

"Star" Travel = 1,151,941.219 meters

Time Frame = 0.2 seconds
"Star" Travel Speed = 5,759,706.095 m/s or 0.019C

KE = 0.5mv^2

m = Total "Star" Mass
v = "Star" Travel Speed

Starscourge Radahn's Collapsing Stars Yield (All Rocks Edition) = 39,777,889,185,732,150,000,000,000,000,000 joules or 9.507 zettatons

I just chose a random one screaming into the dark of space, the bigger looking ones are arguable to be similarly the Earth's diameter away. Not that it matters, even purely in the form of rocks does KE = Bullshit.

Final Tally

Starscourge Radahn's Collapsing Stars Speed (All Rocks Edition) = 0.019C
Starscourge Radahn's Collapsing Stars Yield (All Rocks Edition) = 9.507 zettatons
 
Just found out GODFREY has cut dialogue talking about how even the movement of the stars obeys the Elden Ring, which is still canon (it's in trailers and Enia also says this), makes a lot more sense why Radahn would do the same thing if it's a trait Godfrey respected
 
ChaosTheory123 said:
Have an all rocks edition in the mean time, because its hilarious, if not incredibly lazy

Right, lets have fun with that quickly?

Radahn is an impediment to any sort of matter falling to the planet the Lands Between occupies. A good way to get around Radahn's gravity well shield would be to do it outside of his range, say the other side of the planet?

Problem being that this clearly doesn't occur as no such invasion from the opposite of the world is noted to have been able to occur.

Meaning?

His reach extends, at the minimum, the full planet's diameter in order to keep objects opposite where his scarlet rot riddled ass is meandering about in the desert in Caelid away from impacting and causing issues.

So, random rocks in the sky, more than a planet (Earth's, what else would I be using?) diameter away in terms of distance.

Let's make this quick and easy, albeit this is a bit sloppy because I'm doing this in about 5 minutes?

wS3VXqm.png
9zvFF52.png

"Star" Travel = 518 pixels
"Star" Diameter = 6 pixels
Average Static Star Diameter in Night Sky = 2 pixels

Visual Acuity's limits are? Visual acuity, basically the resolution of the naked eye, can perceive upwards of shit as small as 0.02 degrees and perceive it as its own distinct object without them all blurring the fuck together. As in, the stars in the background will appear no smaller than 0.02 degrees to our visual acuity because anything smaller will blend to appear bigger to our senses.

Average Static Star Diameter in Night Sky = 0.02 degrees

You all should know 6 divided by 2, no?

"Star" Diameter = 0.06 degrees

Distance From Radahn = ~12,742,000 meters


You have the "Star's" Diameter in degrees and we know how far into the sky it is, ergo we can solve its actual diameter~

"Star" Diameter = 13,343 meters

Volume = (4/3)PIr^3

r = "Star" Diameter/2

"Star" Volume = 1,243,193,857,810.997 m^3

Rock Density = 3,000 kg/m^3

"Star" Mass = 3,729,581,573,432,990 kilograms

There is too much going on screen, giving me a migraine, so forgive me for trusting Qawsedf234 on Vsbattles to count them all?

Number of "Stars" = 643

Total Star Mass = 2,398,120,951,717,413,000 kilograms

Next?

"Star" Travel/"Star" Diameter = 86.333

"Star" Travel = 1,151,941.219 meters

Time Frame = 0.2 seconds
"Star" Travel Speed = 5,759,706.095 m/s or 0.019C

KE = 0.5mv^2

m = Total "Star" Mass
v = "Star" Travel Speed

Starscourge Radahn's Collapsing Stars Yield (All Rocks Edition) = 39,777,889,185,732,150,000,000,000,000,000 joules or 9.507 zettatons

I just chose a random one screaming into the dark of space, the bigger looking ones are arguable to be similarly the Earth's diameter away. Not that it matters, even purely in the form of rocks does KE = Bullshit.

Final Tally

Starscourge Radahn's Collapsing Stars Speed (All Rocks Edition) = 0.019C
Starscourge Radahn's Collapsing Stars Yield (All Rocks Edition) = 9.507 zettatons
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Huh, even the definitely stars, stars, are shifting in the night sky while the tarnished just stood there like an asshole for most of the feat. I just thought that was camera panning, but no. You can clearly see the night sky shift entirely while the Tarnished doesn't move from their spot, head staying roughly where it started. Body shifted a bit, but nothing to suggest they were altering their point of view.

Everything in the sky was moving and its not just a camera trick

Hard to notice without actively looking frame by frame and using the Tarnished as the frame of reference to compare the rest of the sky with. You definitely see constellations shift in that 0.2 seconds I screen shotted though
 
ChaosTheory123 said:
Huh, even the definitely stars, stars, are shifting in the night sky while the tarnished just stood there like an asshole for most of the feat. I just thought that was camera panning, but no. You can clearly see the night sky shift entirely while the Tarnished doesn't move from their spot, head staying roughly where it started. Body shifted a bit, but nothing to suggest they were altering their point of view.

Everything in the sky was moving and its not just a camera trick

Hard to notice without actively looking frame by frame and using the Tarnished as the frame of reference to compare the rest of the sky with. You definitely see constellations shift in that 0.2 seconds I screen shotted though
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I'd been wondering this too but had convinced myself it was a weird camera thing, but yeah they do definitely seem to move especially at the beginning of the cutscene before the meteor shower begins
 
OtherGalaxy said:
I'd been wondering this too but had convinced myself it was a weird camera thing, but yeah they do definitely seem to move especially at the beginning of the cutscene before the meteor shower begins
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Would be neat to know if this is something someone like Zullie the Witch could fully confirm, but I have to imagine other than the Tarnished that the events are prerendered? :hm

I'm still saying this is fairly definitive, but someone with the modding tools they have would be useful for outright confirmation.
 
ChaosTheory123 said:
Would be neat to know if this is something someone like Zullie the Witch could fully confirm, but I have to imagine other than the Tarnished that the events are prerendered? :hm

I'm still saying this is fairly definitive, but someone with the modding tools they have would be useful for outright confirmation.
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The only thing I could find for a better view is BonfireVN's video where he slows it down and zooms in on certain angles
 
OtherGalaxy said:
The only thing I could find for a better view is BonfireVN's video where he slows it down and zooms in on certain angles
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Can always give myself a migraine sometime in the future looking at it shrugs

I'll give that fucker on vsbattles credit that same way I do that light construct in OPM. Way too much is going on screen for me to accurately count all that shit and measure it all precisely.
 
@OtherGalaxy If/When you get a chance, mind collecting some of the more notable feats from Elden Ring in general (including bit feats of generic environmental destruction)? Especially with the release of the DLC :hm

No obligation, hell knows I fuck off and do whatever I want when I feel like it. :maybe

Also play the damn games already :skully
 
ChaosTheory123 said:
@OtherGalaxy If/When you get a chance, mind collecting some of the more notable feats from Elden Ring in general (including bit feats of generic environmental destruction)? Especially with the release of the DLC :hm

No obligation, hell knows I fuck off and do whatever I want when I feel like it. :maybe

Also play the damn games already :skully
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will do once i get a chance, can think of a few bit feats and dlc i think made a better case for things like lightning and light being “real” so probably some decent HS scaling for the mid tiers. LS minimum is given for top tiers but might be some grounds to look at other examples

meteors will probably have the most calcable stuff
 
OtherGalaxy said:
will do once i get a chance, can think of a few bit feats and dlc i think made a better case for things like lightning and light being “real” so probably some decent HS scaling for the mid tiers. LS minimum is given for top tiers but might be some grounds to look at other examples

meteors will probably have the most calcable stuff
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Sure, sure

And actually playing the game? :hm

:maybe
 
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