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Game Ranked Tales of Arise Mafia - Game Thread

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like if haza and fuji are alive today, he basically wins no matter what happens. there's no real need for him to scum side just as there's no real need for him to town side

Like ... haza could just have done this

Kill one of you/ekko
Lynch ratchet (by claiming to townside)
Kill the other
Solo lynch fuji

He has control of the kill so he can be ready to hammer
 
yes but its not like he needs to rush and vote fuji either. he can just do so if town start talking about lynching him, or he gets a vote
But they would be lol. You wouldn't just be auto lynching me. Or maybe you would. But the point is, the moment it becomes a discussion he has a choice - he either plays out the day hoping I get lynched or he takes the layup and votes Fuji to win. He's a Survivor, his win is right there.
 
You can say about townie goodwill and all, but no Survivor would risk taking the lynch out of moral obligation to the town as opposed to just... winning. And if he did, he would just be hurting himself in the other direction.
well we've established since yesterday that he's not a survivor, or atleast not playing as one

now its more about r u an indie urself
 
well we've established since yesterday that he's not a survivor, or atleast not playing as one

now its more about r u an indie urself
If I were, then I have no reason to kill Fuji. Remember, that whole kill would rely on me assuming that RDK will be town siding at the risk of his wincon. You can see today as evidence of how that risks it. Why on earth would I be banking on this?
 
Like ... haza could just have done this

Kill one of you/ekko
Lynch ratchet (by claiming to townside)
Kill the other
Solo lynch fuji

He has control of the kill so he can be ready to hammer
lynching ratchet wudnt be as easy with fuji alive fwiw but this mostly checks out
 
Remember that I would only be able to anticipate to a certain degree. Why would I ever take away my hated townie lynch by killing him under the presumption that RDK sides with town.

Even if I think there is a 99.9% chance he town sides, killing Fuji does one thing - it makes it impossible for him to side with me. Why, oh why, would I ever take away the possibility of him siding with me under the presumption of him not doing so? For what purpose? Come on.
 
this is completely bulletproof logically btw - theres no way any of us would have advocated for lynching fuji over ratchet today
Yes, but the problem is the lack of fast hammer attempt runs the risk of outing himself. Because again, he would be risking getting lynched vs just winning with me.
 
this is completely bulletproof logically btw - theres no way any of us would have advocated for lynching fuji over ratchet today
we wud advocate for lynching RDK though as we'd have no reason to trust such a delayed result.
 
Remember that I would only be able to anticipate to a certain degree. Why would I ever take away my hated townie lynch by killing him under the presumption that RDK sides with town.

Even if I think there is a 99.9% chance he town sides, killing Fuji does one thing - it makes it impossible for him to side with me. Why, oh why, would I ever take away the possibility of him siding with me under the presumption of him not doing so? For what purpose? Come on.
Doubt you can side with me anyway I think you need everyone dead
 
isnt that basically what hes doing now more or less. the result is a cherry on top

But the difference is he cant now brute force a win that hes in complete control of (unless he has other stuff)

The path I laid out doesnt need anything we dont know about

Like I say, im not necessarily saying this is what I think, Im just not wanting to lose another close game we 100% deserve to win
 
anyway i made my piece, im sticking to haza. u can sue me post game depending on the result of it but man's gotta have a code etc..
 
thing is, if we assume its an indy left then why wouldnt they have been killing all game? if its ratchet, you'd have to assume they would have?

whereas if its haza trying to sell himself as a survivor it does make sense that he wouldnt kill until mafia are dead

obv the other explanation is that its just mafia. in which case its probably ratchet
 
tho what it comes down to is whilst the fuji kill is clearly suboptimal for haza - i can see a world where it makes sense to kill him etc or at the very least, a world where he would believe it was his best course of action

if ratchet is mafia or indy, i really dont see any world where he thinks its his best course of action, other than strictly WIFOM purposes which isnt really satisfying
 
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