To Aru Majutsu No Index Feats/Discussion/Analysis Thread - One Othinus To Rule Them All

[Churronzon]

Not particularly relevant to this volume, but IRL Aleister talked about magical memory in "Magick in Theory and Practice" and which Toaru Aleister claimed to have received as a reincarnation of prior occultist, Eliphas Levi.
Which got me to thinking if Aleister has magical memory, what about Touma's?
The "death" of Touma in OT1 could be seen as a past life whose memories KnT possesses and which Touma would have to realize to enact his True Will. So could prob re-integrate with pre-memory loss Touma and his knowledge of Imagine Breaker with it, but not sure.

Kamijou fell down covering up Index who was still collapsed on the floor.

It was almost as if he were protecting her body from the falling feathers of light.

The dozens of feathers of light floated down like snowflakes towards every part of
Kamijou’s body.

Even so, Kamijou Touma smiled.

He smiled and he never moved those fingertips again.

On that night, Kamijou Touma “died”.

If anything would recover his memories I guess it'd be through this method

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For GT11 I hope the parts talking about protecting Touma and him fearing losing his head while in Hell is a red herring and CRC/Kingsford are overwhelmed by Lucifer or something until Touma finds out he's actually strong af here even w/o IB, as a built up soul no longer shackled by a flesh prison like Gnostics were talking about

 

[Paxton]

be fr though

how is Lucifer supposed to be a credible threat to them

 

[Paxton]

he's a canonical Michael victim.

 

[Paxton]

"Accelerator uses imaginary vectors to give a vector to the opponents attack"

 

[NeloAngelo]

I have a question, when Kakine attacks Accelerator and used 25k different energies, did he have to calculate that in each attack?

Because there is a part where he collides with Accelerator at supersonic speeds so the time frame to make those calculations would be quite short.

Also repeated with the Kakine DM colliding attacks with Rensa at supersonic speeds.

If to collide blows and not be completely reflected he had to do all those calculations of different energies, it would be a good feat in reactions, but clear my doubts before calculating anything.

 

[Astaro]

Any vector Accelerator makes contact with, he subconsciously calculates in order to reflect so yes, he’s calculating all 25,000+ of those vectors Kakine is hitting him with

 

[NeloAngelo]

Any vector Accelerator makes contact with, he subconsciously calculates in order to reflect so yes, he’s calculating all 25,000+ of those vectors Kakine is hitting him with

Sure, but on Kakine's side, he had to consciously calculate the 25k in each attack?

because if so he must have calculated them in a very short time frame for him to collide with Accelerator at sonic speeds

“I don’t want to lay hands on normal people either. If I’m in a good mood I’ll even let ‘bad guys’ off. Having said that, I don’t really care if those people live or die. Aren’t you the same? In our battle just then, how many spectators and bystanders have got hurt? Cement and asphalt were traveling over the speed of sound, and shock-waves wiped out everything. That’s the kind of battle between us.”

And also his DM clone against Rensa

In other words, Kakine and Rensa clashed at supersonic speeds.

 

[Astaro]

Sure, but on Kakine's side, he had to consciously calculate the 25k in each attack?

because if so he must have calculated them in a very short time frame for him to collide with Accelerator at sonic speeds


And also his DM clone against Rensa

Yup, Dark Matter manga made it clear every Dark Matter phenomena he produces requires his calculations

 

[NeloAngelo]

Yup, Dark Matter manga made it clear every Dark Matter phenomena he produces requires his calculations

Kakine processing capacity

#1 Kakine calculations speed:

Kakine and Accelerator were 20 meters away, Accelerator launches an attack that was going at 120m/s and then Accelerator arrives at a similar speed to attack Kakine's wings but Kakine gives him time to make his calculations

Kakine Teitoku walks out of the shop with some kind of cocoon around him. No, those are wings! Six wings like that of an angel’s slowly spread behind him.

Accelerator furrows his brow.

“Mimicking myths doesn’t suit you, you unoriginal idiot.”

“You don’t have to worry about that, I already know.”


Before their voices finish echoing they clash once more.

Against Accelerator who controlled the vectors beneath his feet and charged, Kakine Teitoku spread his wings and flew almost twenty meters away to the center of the road.

Accelerator sweeps his arm in front of him and slashes through the air, totally taking control of the airflow vectors. Boom! A hurricane with wind speeds of a 120 meters per second blasts towards Kakine like a cannon shot.

“?!”

Waving his dexterous wings, Kakine tries to avoid the attack, but a click sound reaches his ears. Looking down, he finds that Accelerator had already closed the distance between them. Before Kakine can even figure that out, Accelerator thrusts his right hand towards Kakine’s chest.

“Elementary particles are things even tinier than molecules and atoms. We know that there exist mesons, leptons, quarks, and hadrons made of antiparticles and quarks. These elementary particles make up the world.”

“However,” says Kakine in a soft voice,


“That kind of common knowledge does not apply to my Dark Matter!”



Boom! Accompanying gale winds, the six wings behind Kakine instantly recover their forms.

“The Dark Matter I create is matter that does not exist in this world. It’s not matter that hasn't yet been discovered, nor matter that theoretically exists, but rather matter which undeniably does not exist.”

Information about the 25k calculations to be able to pass the reflection

“The sunlight and wind that is affected by the ‘Dark Matter’ are infused with 25,000 different kinds of energy. Then by observing your ‘reflect’ and using a filtering system that judges which energies are deemed ‘harmful’ or not, I can use the energies that are ‘subconsciously accepted as not harmful’ to attack you.”

Even if Accelerator changes the rules which his reflect is based on, Kakine Teitoku will immediately use his Dark Matter to inspect the change. The repeated attack and defense this way will only make Accelerator’s wounds get worse and worse.

“Such is ‘Dark Matter’.”

Time frame: 20 m/ 120m/s = 0,166666667 s

Calculation speed: 25000 calcs/ 0,166666667s = 150000 calcs/s (flops)

If taken as reactions, he could react to something moving at Mach 437 a meter away.

#2 Kakine calculations speed:

Accelerator and Kakine collided at supersonic speeds, Kakine surpassed the reflection there so he did his calculations, plus we have that they were 4 street lanes apart.

Accelerator and Kakine who were flying parallel down the road suddenly changed paths and chose the shortest route to smash into each other. A four-lane crossroad is blocked completely due to the clash between those two. Nobody complained, and nobody dared to complain. Everyone here had the instinct that if they dare to speak up they will die.

The silhouettes of the two swept past each other.

A few seconds later, the air exploded and an shock-wave rang out.

“If that’s the case then there is only one efficient path to take. Destroy all other plans that are prepared, so that Aleister has no other path to take. Then, as long as I’m not the ‘Spare Plan’, as long as I am the center of the plan, then Aleister can no longer ignore me! I don’t want to destroy this city, it is still useful. That’s why I’ll start from devouring the core, and in the end take control of it!”

Accelerator’s and Kakine’s blood flew around the air.

“So, only by killing off me, the ‘true center’, you can take over the plans.”

The two of them stood facing each other, slowly gauging their opponent.

If Kakine can say such rhetoric then he must be confident of the truth in the fact that Aleister has many plans.

And for Kakine to have done what he did, naturally he had his own reasons. As for what they were, Accelerator didn’t try to figure them out. In the Darkness of Academy City, there is more tragedy than stars in the night sky. Chances are one of them is what twisted Kakine’s personality. Just like how Accelerator killed 10,000 SISTERs for the ‘Experiment’. Just like how Accelerator is willing to give up his life to save one person.

“Bullshit.”

Accelerator continued, while on that train of thought:

“Maybe you think what you’re saying is nothing less than the absolute moral truth, but everything that’s coming out of your stinking mouth is complete bullshit.”

“Ha. Even though you have the right to directly communicate with Aleister, you have no idea the value of that right! People like you have no right to say that about me.”

“At the moment you spoke of those words, you became one of those common filth that pass themselves off as great villains.”

“That doesn’t sound convincing.”

Kakine Teitoku said uninterestedly.

“I don’t want to lay hands on normal people either. If I’m in a good mood I’ll even let ‘bad guys’ off. Having said that, I don’t really care if those people live or die. Aren’t you the same? In our battle just then, how many spectators and bystanders have got hurt? Cement and asphalt were traveling over the speed of sound, and shock-waves wiped out everything. That’s the kind of battle between us.”

Lane Width | National Association of City Transportation Officials

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Lane widths of 10 feet

1 street lane is ~ 3 m

They were 4 street lanes apart but traveling at similar speeds they must have met in the center, so they traveled 2 street lanes before colliding.

Distance: ~6 m

Speed: 343 m/s

Time frame: 6m/343m/s = 0.01749271137 s

Calculation speed: 25000 calcs / 0.01749271137 s = 1429166.667 calcs/s (flops)


If taken as reactions, he could react to something moving at Mach 4166 a meter away.

 

[Paxton]

Out of curiosity how many actual genuine ghosts have we seen so far?

Frillsand doesn't count, since I'm referring to actual legitimate dead people ghosts/spirits.

 

[Astaro]

I guess we’re also discounting AIM beings too?

Doppelgänger is implied to have become an actual soul at the end of Dream Ranker but it’s kept vague and up to your interpretation

There’s Lilith as an exposed soul as well

 

[Churronzon]

This fkin bastard. There has to be a canon reason for it
A Kihara gets a coin that manipulates luck in his favor and chooses to make Hamazura's gun malfunction, malfunctioning ofc meaning it accidentally fires and fkin kills him.

Would the boy normally have said so much on reflex? Set a record, Kihara Killer, center
of the dark side—Kihara Hasuu’s wording was meant to give his opponent a big head. Was
there any way—any way at all—to turn the tables on the boy? The old man was racking his
brains the entire time he was buying time. It could be anything. As one who bore the name
Kihara, he was willing to break all forms of ethics and standards if need be.

Then he saw it. He noticed something out of place—a gold shine on the cold concrete
ground.

It was a Coin of Nicholas.

The clockwise shine had filled the outer edge now. It was fully charged.

“!!”

He immediately leaped at it and grabbed it in his special engineering glove.

He raised his voice.

He wanted to get started on his next research even if it meant relying on something very
unscientific.

“Make his gun malfunction, Coin of Nicholas!!”

Who was to blame for this? The actual phenomenon occurred a moment later.

The result was perfectly fair.

A bullet flew from Hamazura Shiage’s handgun.

Yes, there were more ways for a gun to malfunction than for the bullet to jam or even to
explode inside, blowing up the gun and the wielder’s hand along with it.
It could also fire the bullet without the trigger being pulled.

“Huh?”

The old man looked down.

He could not believe that he had been hit in the gut, rupturing his stomach of all things.
More than the bleeding, his own vomit contaminated his body where a single germ could
ultimately be fatal. He collapsed, suffered for more than five full minutes, and finally
passed away. Stomach acid was primarily composed of hydrochloric acid. What did it feel
like to be placed on the surgical table, have your gut cut open, and have a bunch of that
dumped inside? All without anesthetic, of course.

The old man had lost his life to his own prayer.

A believer in science had relied on something beyond the bounds of science.

This was the fate of someone who stopped trying to do his own work. But in a way, this
may have been exactly what he deserved.

If he had relied on his own strength from the beginning, he never would have earned such
resentment over Ladybird.

If he had cut out pieces of his own flesh for his experiments, he never would have gotten
into an argument over what to do with the children in gym clothes.

If he had chosen that path, everyone who had arrived here maybe could have worked
together to survive.

Hamazura did not think the android was at fault.

Kihara Hasuu might agree, but it would mean something very different coming from him.
The old man’s crime and punishment had to be defined by his own nature. Speaking as
an expert required earnestly facing what parts of science you wished to preserve.

Was this too a present from heaven?

That coin was a trap that provided obvious miracles but also took away all other options
you might try.

Hamazura Shiage spoke quietly while viewing the scum still gripping that gold coin after
he had stopped moving.

Was his face blank?

Or was he suppressing an inappropriate smile?

“Merry Christmas. Did you enjoy your miracle, mad scientist?”

What is that.

(Love that he got the title of the new Kihara Killer here)

 

[Churronzon]

Throw him at Bunny Karen fr, let's see what happens

 

[Paxton]

This fkin bastard. There has to be a canon reason for it
A Kihara gets a coin that manipulates luck in his favor and chooses to make Hamazura's gun malfunction, malfunctioning ofc meaning it accidentally fires and fkin kills him.

What is that.

(Love that he got the title of the new Kihara Killer here)

what the actual fuck

 

[Paxton]

Hamazura would've cooked Tris if he was in that cell instead of Accelerator

 

[Mr.OMG]

Throw him at Bunny Karen fr, let's see what happens

Hamazura literally can kill Yukaru. Damn, he so OP, I knee

 

[Astaro]

The rest of the illustrations for Genesis Testament Volume 11 Touma’s Inferno

And more monster illustrations of the various creatures encountered in Hell

Dead giveaway it’s Cerberus who Dante and Virgil encountered in the Circle of Gluttony as the chief tormentor of the gluttons condemned to wallow in the mud and filth of that circle with the beast.

Can’t recall or tell who this is

Pretty sure this is supposed to be Lucifer, found at the very bottom of the Circle of Treachery

 

[NeloAngelo]

The rest of the illustrations for Genesis Testament Volume 11 Touma’s Inferno

And more monster illustrations of the various creatures encountered in Hell

Dead giveaway it’s Cerberus who Dante and Virgil encountered in the Circle of Gluttony as the chief tormentor of the gluttons condemned to wallow in the mud and filth of that circle with the beast.

Can’t recall or tell who this is

Pretty sure this is supposed to be Lucifer, found at the very bottom of the Circle of Treachery

Using Google Lens translator it tells me this:

 

[Astaro]

Using Google Lens translator it tells me this:

Don’t recall Nyx having any appearance in the Inferno but I believe she’s mentioned a few times in passage.

With all the other elements of Greek mythology incorporated in the Inferno, this is pretty fitting to see her get an expanded role here

They nailed Cerberus, since Virgil literally tames / distracts the beast by flinging the mud filling up the Circle of Gluttony into its 3 mouths which placates the beast long enough for both poets to get around him

Likewise, they nailed Lucifer. In the Inferno, Hell was literally a gigantic crater created by the impact of his fall from Heaven described in Luke 10:18 and he’s still trapped at the very center and bottom of that crater

And likewise, all the rock pushed downward to make the crater of his imapct caused the rock formations on the exact opposite side of the Earth to be pushed upward, creating Mt. Purgatory for the repentant sinners to go through trails that cleanse their souls to be able to enter Paradise

 

[NeloAngelo]