To Aru Majutsu No Index Feats/Discussion/Analysis Thread - One Othinus To Rule Them All

[Paxton]

But GT12 contradicts Alice being able to instantly crush a Magic God before they even realize it. Even nerfed ones basically stalemated her. @Paxton

I guess we'd find out where exactly Coronzon scales in the next volume. She and Alice are definitely gonna have a fight I think. Plus, what happened with Othinus and Index is also in question since they don't know about Touma's rebirth and left to follow some mysterious message.

Crowley breaking down when learning Kingsford was not resurrected and making Touma realise how he's overlooking her sacrifice, only to be taken over by Coronzon was also a peak moment. Kingsford only appeared for a few volumes, but she's quickly become one of my favourite female characters alongside Othinus and Misaki.

but it doesn't

the quote is referring to inner/adult Alice. they're fighting child Alice

and Alice was holding back, as you yourself mentioned

I thought we already established this

 

[Darth Zion]

and Alice was holding back, as you yourself mentioned

So were the Magic Gods- they were literally nerfed infinitely. It's back to unquantifiable again.

It seems that Adult Alice~True Magic Gods> Othinus~Nerfed Magic Gods~Child Alice.

 

[Paxton]

So were the Magic Gods- they were literally nerfed infinitely. It's back to unquantifiable again.

It seems that Adult Alice~True Magic Gods> Othinus~Nerfed Magic Gods~Child Alice.

yeah I know we uh

literally talked about this already, 23 minutes ago

did you drink your morning coffee today

 

[Paxton]

how does Aleiszon compare to Anna Sprengel again? I forgot

I don't recall if they ever had any comparisons or if they fought against each other

 

[Darth Zion]

literally talked about this already, 23 minutes ago

My previous chain made no mention of Adult Alice and Infinite MGs tho, only nerfed versions.

But I am probably repeating things at this point, yeah

I don't recall if they ever had any comparisons or if they fought against each other

As far as I remember, no- well, Anna made Aiwass her bitch and he was fighting Coronzon on his own when the Windowless Building was launched to space but other than that I don't think they were mentioned together in a comparison.

 

[NeloAngelo]

The legend himself.

Now, since I'm reading GT-12 I might as well compile whatever feats and infodumps I could find in the volume as @Mr.OMG had done all the way upto NT in his respect thread. So here it is-

Academy City has clone technology and advanced means of giving movement to a corpse-

Accelerator can communicate over long distances by creating artificial rain and superimposing his voice onto the vibrations of the raindrops-

Accelerator can control the entire world's weather and environment-

Crowley can gather the power of Coronzon in his hands as black flames appearing with so much force that they would have engulfed the world had they not been concentrated in his palms..

Mere guns, even heavier calibre are laughable against Crowley-

Crowley intercepted a supersonic tank projectile with a roar that crushed the tank and ground beneath it in a great circle-

Accelerator can control the atmosphere and creating lightning across multiple train stations away using indirect vector control by manipulating the wiring and pipes beneath Academy City-

Accelerator can produce a billion volts of electricity and create plasma anywhere around the world using his weather control-

Alice had known Touma would die before they even met-

People killed by Alice cannot return, no matter what. Even her own power that can twist the world cannot do that-

Nerfed Magic Gods use an invisible attack, that even Alice with all her powers couldn't detect. This is something even Transcendents like Aradia or the Bologna Succubus cannot do. Nephtys demonstrates this by blowing on her hair-


Magic Gods mention how Touma has become more like them after returning back from dead-

Nephthys and Niang-Niang are stated to be Magic Gods on par with Othinus-

It's mentioned that Magic Gods like to wander on a whim, that they can't remain in a single place for long- be that a world or a phase. This is further evidence that Phases are actual places rather than filters-

Magic Gods mention how normal humans are powerless before them, including the Transcendents-

Even Touma does not know who would win between Alice and the Magic Gods-

Every magician has chosen their path and power to resist their powerlessness, but Alice is different. She is the one with talent-

Transcendents and Magic Gods are fundamentally different, one aspire to be an existing god but the other has worked to reach that position on their own. Nepthys thinks Magic Gods are superior, whereas Alice disagrees-

Nepthys turns her shoulder into dust and makes it into an invisible whip that cause Touma to freeze up despite IB negating it due to shock-

Alice creates card soldiers that repaint the space around her, anything that her paint touches becomes part of Alice's forces including the attack of a Magic God that would have obliterated Academy City. She's actively holding back here, otherwise she would have just reality wrapped the entire world-


The clash between fundamentally different powers of Magic Gods cause Alice to strain due to creation of special rules of power interaction between a god and a transcendent-

Nepthys can change the shape of her own body to evade attacks-

Alice ran down a hallway, broke into the floor, got to the window and caught Touma before he could fall down a single floor-

Nepthys can use her tears and launch them as light-speed projectile, which Touma negated-

Magic Gods have obtained wisdom and knowledge by experiencing the state of death-

Alice threw Touma several floors above before he could even react, and made him land without damage-

Stiyl's flames burn at more than three thousand degrees-

Any magician can fly, and the reason they don't is because of the Interception Spell. Stiyl creates boosters of fire to achieve that-

Stiyl dodges lightning at the last second, a feat of speed that even Touma admired-

Stiyl intercept Touma's bullets using his flames-

Stiyl stole the lifeforce of a Magic God by using the principles of Thelema using the principle that people can draw power from an object of greater purity and precision from the outside. The spell is called Crossroad, derived from the Divine Mixtures-

The heat produced by Stiyl melted steel pipes from a distance-

The words spoken by Touma when defeating Stiyl, challenging God himself. They seemed to come from his old memory, perhaps a hint to his past or a foreshadowing of the future-

Aleister Crowley defeated Vidharti, a Transcendant who could control fate and erase existence of others-

Crowley deflected a lightning strike-

Coronzon regained her body the moment Crowley lost his will because of Kingsford's death, he had just hijacked her body after death-

That's all for this time, another awesome volume by Kamachi.

I haven't had much free time to do calculations lately, but Accelerator's climate control requires an absurdly large amount of calculation power.

Since the firsts volumes make it clear that he controls it by calculating the movement of every atmospheric particle, if he can now do this across the entire planet and can even excite particles to create Misaka-level lightning or control the vibration of every raindrop, it probably gives him a very large amount of calculation power.

I leave some examples:

Processing speed of some things in ToAru

In other threads I tried to measure the calculation speed of Accelerator and a super computer from academy city, as the results are quite large I am going to copy and paste here to see more opinions on whether I made a mistake or if those calcs are working good.

onelastforum.com

 

[Churronzon]

I'm definitely disappointed Alice and Nepthys did not start throwing galaxies at each other, lol

I’d have to reread it (can’t right now) but last I remember Alice resealed herself, exemplified by wearing her childbook dress. It’s only when she releases the seal that acts as her risk 4 that she’s able to destroy the world and likely survive gungnir. I believe there to be a bigger disparity between sealed vs unsealed Alice rather than child vs adult Alice.

His breath was white and his body shivering, but little Alice was smiling in the very same rain. Even though her storybook dress had short sleeves. She held onto Kamijou’s arm from the side and refused to let go.

If she was unsealed in this fight tho and MGs could survive her destroying the world, wouldn’t that make nerfed MGs still universal, along with accounting for the NT quotes about magic gods being able to destroy the world and barely being able to be contained in it?

Alice was so precious this volume. Love every scene she’s in.

“Hm, hm♪ The girl is A-OK as long as she’s with you, teacher☆”

 

[Paxton]

I’d have to reread it (can’t right now) but last I remember Alice resealed herself, exemplified by wearing her childbook dress. It’s only when she releases the seal that acts as her risk 4 that she’s able to destroy the world and likely survive gungnir. I believe there to be a bigger disparity between unsealed vs unsealed Alice rather than child vs adult Alice.

If she was unsealed in this fight tho and MGs could survive her destroying the world, wouldn’t that make nerfed MGs still universal, along with accounting for the NT quotes about magic gods being able to destroy the world and barely being able to be contained in it?

Alice was so precious this volume. Love every scene she’s in.

I thought inner Alice was her form of Risk 4?

 

[Churronzon]

DK Touma=CRC=Kingsford>Alice=Magic Gods>Crowley>Transcendents

Alice is definitely stronger than CRC and by extension kingsford.

The girl had been decapitated.

But that hadn’t been enough to stop her.

She had killed CRC.

Even a monster on his level had lost his life when he angered Alice and made her take him even a little bit seriously. And now those same sharp claws were at someone else’s throat.

Alice Anotherbible had easily crushed and killed CRC and so thoroughly eliminated him from the world that he could never recover. She was a true monster.

Kingsford had not reached that point.

The most blatant one:

The situation was clearly worsening and Alice was even more powerful than CRC. Certain death awaited Kingsford. Alice waited in a land that brought death to all who set foot there.

CRC is also astounded Touma defeated Alice via any means

“You left after Alice ed you and have spent the rest of your holed up in your false hell preparing for your resurrection, but so for him. He lived on after that. It was for long, but in that , Kamijou Touma defeated Alice Anotherbible.”

“He…what?”

And I suppose there's characters being more worried about berserk Touma over berserk Alice this volume

 

[Paxton]

Alice is definitely stronger than CRC and by extension kingsford.



The most blatant one:

CRC is also astounded Touma defeated Alice via any means


And I suppose there's characters being more worried about berserk Touma over berserk Alice this volume

Touma's the strongest character in the series, it makes sense

tbh at this point the tier list would probably go something like this

DK Touma ~ Alice >>> CRC > current Kingsford > current Anna Sprengel (?) > Magic Gods >~ normal Transcendents

Aiwass/Coronzon/Aleiszon are up in the air as to where they'd belong here, but they're at the very least >> normal Transcendents (Risk 4 or not)

 

[Paxton]

 

[Astaro]

Right now, top tier spot is shared by Touma w/ Dragon Strike, Alice, and True Magic Gods. I don’t want to hear any bullshit about Alice holding back, so too were the Magic Gods and while already twice nerfed.

Kingsford, CRC, Anna, Aiwass, Othinus, and Coronzon come next, since it was outright confirmed in GT10 Alice was stronger than CRC and only lost when he killed her while she was catatonic at the time. Othinus and Coronzon, depending on next volume, just might be above even Kingsford. All depends on if Coronzon fights Alice and how well she does.

Aleister and the other Golden Cabal + the rest of the Transcendents trail beneath the above

 

[Astaro]

Wish Anna Kingsford got to show off more than just sealing Sprengel in a film canister and her brief scuffle with CRC. Doubt she’s coming back after being sent to Hell for real.

Aiwass, Alice’s giant cat, and Lucifer were all off panel fights

 

[NeloAngelo]

By the way, how far behind would Accelerator currently be compared to a Magic God?

 

[Astaro]

He can’t reflect Othinus’ attacks trying to brute force him. But he can’t deal with her say, stopping time or just rewriting history

The fact that he fought Nephthys who was nerfed and playing around with just standard water magic and her tears over any real reality warping speaks for itself .

 

[Paxton]

By the way, how far behind would Accelerator currently be compared to a Magic God?

if you want an actual honest opinion

there's an argument to be made about him being able to counter/be straight up immune to phase manipulation given how Nephthys was eventually unable to affect him with her tears in their fight (iirc) after he crossed the Abyss

it's important to note that phase manipulation is still a form of magic at the end of the day