Magic TMI's half the player list as scum consistently and then insists there's a contradiction between my reads and scum reading him, surely he can't believe this lol
Rightthe posts and discussion are between posts like 60ish-200 if that helps. you were around for it.
There wasn't really though. When I brought this up to you straight up, you ignored it and then said you didn't say it despite me clearly laying out how I've interpreted I've quote beforehand. In fact, you didn't actually explain why your wording was the way it was until earlier this evening, some 16 or so hours after I first raised objection to your comment.there was paragraphs of explanation. im not really sure what you consider an attempt but it's a bit silly to say i didnt try to explain with a big back and forth attempting to explain. i ended things with "i dont think youre this thick to miss this" after giving some explanation, not overall like ultra did with "this is pure nonsense" with nothing else
Why would you be though? Why would your first instinct be to try and dismiss me instead of engaging with what I'm saying on it's own merits. It's like you didn't even bother with the stage where you try to discern what my possible motives are, you just skip right to undermining it.i was dismissive of you accusing me when i know im town. im not really following what else youre implying i was dismissive of when you even made it clear you were attacking me rather than defending.
Eh no, I didn't really. My vote is one thing but it isn't like I haven't engaged with your defence, or just repeated that you were scummy without giving you any charity in my position. My vote is my vote, but to act like that's the only measure from which I can relent or pursue from is disingenuous. In fact, I don't see how you can hold this position at all, because I even said to Gram straight up that you were in a category of "probably won't lynch today".you did your heels though. i saw what i wanted to as your vote is still just on me.
realistically as scum i could just make it up to appease you and you should be aware of that.
^you made it quite clear your point was to see evaluate whether im giving you a valid reason or not. these are your words.Well that's kind of the point, I want to evaluate whether you're giving me a valid reason or not
now youre trying to back track. ive repeatedly asked you why you cant use the town explanations i gave to check to see if im giving you valid reasons or not and youre incapable of answering that question and now youre trying to say it isn't a way to read me at all which means you asking for my weak town read explanations in the first place was pointless.Because it's goalpost moving, I don't give a shit why you think I should factor this into account or not, I explained to you forthright why it doesn't matter, because it's not an accurate way to read you
Sharing a few of your town reads when your playstyle largely revolves around reading half the player base town is a dogshit methodology. You should know this! Instead you're telling me to read you by a method which conveniences you. 0
Right
So it still reads to me like the two of you aren't understanding what the other is trying to say and accomplished nothing
What are people gleaming from that?
This shit makes no sense
You don't glean yourself regularlyThe correct term is gleaning ruffles
i dont think most got much of that. some people will think of this as town vs town if they think it's just a misunderstanding and both perspectives just seem to be town going after other town.Right
So it still reads to me like the two of you aren't understanding what the other is trying to say and accomplished nothing
What are people gleaming from that?
This shit makes no sense
Damn didn't realize Fang had 6 votes
Didn't realize you had 6 votes, whatchu think of your wagon?
^you made it quite clear your point was to see evaluate whether im giving you a valid reason or not. these are your words.
now youre trying to back track. ive repeatedly asked you why you cant use the town explanations i gave to check to see if im giving you valid reasons or not and youre incapable of answering that question and now youre trying to say it isn't a way to read me at all which means you asking for my weak town read explanations in the first place was pointless.
so now that we've established you were trying to check to see if i had valid reasons for my town reads, why do you refuse on using the ones i gave early on before anyone else had those same town reads.
Now to change tack I saw part of your defence was in your reads made. I don't have a huge issue with that in principle, but I do disagree with you implying that Lind was a town read that you wouldn't make or would be somehow risking a scum wincon for. The Miller claim here is pretty much always treated as an IC, so I'm not sure what the thinking is there that leads you to believe you were taking much of a stance with that.
Uh, what do you mean "if"? I was a tree stump in that game, here is my role PM:these were two of the quotes. if you were tree stump and thus it didn't matter as you were surviving than the first post wouldn't be about how gambling on lynching you(and thus me in the second quote) is non-optimal play. so no, the context of tree stump doesn't somehow negate this meta point nor logic from your end. that's a rather weak twist on it.
I used the term gamble in that post because I didn't want to claim it, but you absolutely can't deny that my thought process was compassed by being a treestump. Given that all of your examples of me being risk averse day 1 when it comes to pursuing good players are from one game, it's disingenuous to act like my being tre stump would ha e nothing to do with that.Sheogorath - Daedra/Town
You are Sheogorath, Daedric Prince of Madness, Sons and Daughters of Skyrim aligned
[Artifact - Wabbajack] (x3 Schizo) Targeting a player with this artifact produces one of the following effects at random:
Burn/Shock/Freeze/Heal/Invisible/Transform 1/Transform 2//Transform 3/Disintegrate/Cheese
[Burn] Player loses vote power for two cycles
[Freeze] A frozen player is limited to one target for all actions they take in the next two cycles
[Shock] Player is de-protected for two cycles
[Heal] Removes all status from a player
[Invisible] Target player will be untargetable the night after they gain invisible status
[Transform 1] Turns a player into a chicken for one cycle, restricting all posts they can make to “Cluck cluck”. A chicken can still vote.
[Transform 2] Turns a player into a rabbit for one cycle. Rabbits are cute, and therefore [Loved]
[Transform 3] Turns a player into a [Hated] Dremora for one cycle
[Disintegrate] Kills the player and turns them into a pile of gold.
[Cheese] Has no effect on target player, but spawns many cheese wheels, enabling a night chat dinner party
[The Mind of Madness] (Post restricted Treestump) Sheogorath may continue to post after death, but will be assigned a new post restriction from the host every cycle.
Wincon: Eliminate all threats to Skyrim
Compelling argument. You better lynch Magic to save your behind.
i do that because i do it as town and tend to do even more as town than i do as scum.Magic TMI's half the player list as scum consistently and then insists there's a contradiction between my reads and scum reading him, surely he can't believe this lol
mate i didnt think i had to because as you pointed out gram understood the confusion and by the same extension i thought youd have an easy time understanding what i was getting at with my posts. i still was trying to clear up the confusion though, typically directly at mango opposed to you but you were present the whole time.There wasn't really though. When I brought this up to you straight up, you ignored it and then said you didn't say it despite me clearly laying out how I've interpreted I've quote beforehand. In fact, you didn't actually explain why your wording was the way it was until earlier this evening, some 16 or so hours after I first raised objection to your comment.
i didnt say i dismissed what potential motives you had. again, as i did state, i figured you realized the accusation/suspicion was never directed at mango but rather the points i was making could be used against you and jumped ahead of it.Why would you be though? Why would your first instinct be to try and dismiss me instead of engaging with what I'm saying on it's own merits. It's like you didn't even bother with the stage where you try to discern what my possible motives are, you just skip right to undermining it.
im saying that because we clearly need multiple wagons and votes right now to analysis everyone playing in this game outside of this little pocket world of yourself and i and youre not aiding in that by sitting on your vote. this isn't beyond your comprehension. we just got an extension and if we didn't with about 16ish hours to go we had a singular wagon on aurelian all phase. that isn't good for town's prospects is it?Eh no, I didn't really. My vote is one thing but it isn't like I haven't engaged with your defence, or just repeated that you were scummy without giving you any charity in my position. My vote is my vote, but to act like that's the only measure from which I can relent or pursue from is disingenuous. In fact, I don't see how you can hold this position at all, because I even said to Gram straight up that you were in a category of "probably won't lynch today".
neither am i however, within the context of this game and the situation, it is time to actually do rather than wait. i understand sitting on a vote if other things are happening on their own but nothing has really been happening.I've never been one that feels the need to marry my vote with everything I do, if you understand me as well as you say you do this should be no surprise.
I don't have one, think he's well within range of either alignment. I wouldn't even say he can't be scum with Magic, though my gut feel is he probably wouldn't be.Can you give me your read on Gram atm
Uh, what do you mean "if"? I was a tree stump in that game, here is my role PM:
okay then show me examples of the contrary where your aim is to lynch gram/ultra day 1 or even myself. ive provided evidence and if youre claiming it's circumstantial and doesnt apply then it should be easy for you, the person, to show me the opposing evidence and ill take it into account.I used the term gamble in that post because I didn't want to claim it, but you absolutely can't deny that my thought process was compassed by being a treestump. Given that all of your examples of me being risk averse day 1 when it comes to pursuing good players are from one game, it's disingenuous to act like my being tre stump would ha e nothing to do with that.
Right
So it still reads to me like the two of you aren't understanding what the other is trying to say and accomplished nothing
What are people gleaming from that?
This shit makes no sense
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