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just stumbled on the hardest cover of all time
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OtherGalaxy said:
oh yeah earl norem's a legend, his he-man and visionaries stuff are also incredible especially in that he actually managed to make Visionaries look pretty cool
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i am really gravitating toward older painted art
nothing against digital i guess it just has more grit or something to me, idk
or painted digitally should count too lmao
 
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Who's Who in the Transformers Universe

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Abilities: His unique design makes Snarl particularly useful in sunny, arid environments. The large golden plates protruding from his spinal assembly are solar collectors. Although he can operate without sunlight, solar energy can increase his strength tenfold and his endurance to a virtually limitless degree. A swipe of his tail can shatter a 20-foot concrete cube. His heavily armored hide makes him resistant to most missile fire.

Snarl's back plates collect enough solar power to amp his strength 10x over and increase his endurance
 
grillmaster said:

Who's Who in the Transformers Universe

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Способности: Его уникальный дизайн делает Snarl особенно полезным в солнечной и засушливой среде. Большие золотые пластины, выступающие из его позвоночника, представляют собой солнечные коллекторы. Хотя он может действовать без солнечного света, солнечная энергия может увеличить его силу в десять раз, а выносливость практически безгранична. Удар его хвоста может разбить 20-футовый бетонный куб. Его тяжелобронированная шкура делает его устойчивым к большинству ракетных обстрелов.

Задние пластины Снарла собирают достаточно солнечной энергии, чтобы увеличить его силу в 10 раз и повысить его выносливость.
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Hmm, if I'm not mistaken, the volume will be approximately 33.9; if we multiply this by the density of relatively lightweight concrete, it turns out to be approximately 67,800 kilograms, and with a 10-fold increase, the total is 670 tons.
 
Abilities: In robot form, Omega Supreme possesses enormous strength and firepower. A blow from one of his arms can shatter a mountainside. With his clawed arm he can lift 300,000 tons. The plasma blaster on his other arm can pulverize a solid 12' � 12' � 12' steel cube. The laser cannon mounted on his head can hit an object as small as a can at a distance of 50 miles. His armored form is virtually impervious to all non-nuclear explosives and energy-beam weapons. He can change his form into two other forms simultaneously: a laser cannon tank and a rocket with launching pad. The launching pad can boost its rocket into planetary orbit. The rocket is adaptable to communication, military and transport uses.
one of my goats :wow
 
Abilities: In robot mode, Optimus Prime actually splits into three components. The Optimus module is the robotic sentient being that is the storehouse of his vast knowledge and strength. He can lift 4000,000 lbs. and a blow from his fist exerts a force of 12,000 lbs. per sq. inch. He carries a laser rifle and can burn a hole in the nosecone of a Decepticon jet fighter at a distance of 30 miles, aided by his outstanding visual acuity. His Prime module, also known as Roller, is a small cart-shaped device that he uses to unobtrusively slip behind enemy lines. He can maintain radio control over it at distances up to 1200 miles. Having Roller present somewhere is like being there himself. He can operate by remote-control his Combat Deck module up to a distance of 1500 feet. The Auto-Launcher mounted on the Deck can use a variety of artillery and radiation beam weapons, including most of those used by his fellow Autobots. The Launcher also includes a highly dexterous grapple-arm which allows it to load itself and change its weaponry. The communications disk antenna mounted on the launcher provides a link between Optimus and all his fellow Autobots within a radius of 50 miles. It can be adapted to a satellite hook-up that increases its effective range 10-fold.
 
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Tiering System Revisions: Tier 0

Hi all. So, a bit ago, I made this thread. It got accepted, and the result of it was the discarding of the previous purely mathematical basis for tiers Low 1-A and above. These tiers, then, were changed to the following: Here, you can see a fairly clear progression on how the Tiering System...
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The new tiering system in Vsb can greatly increase the level of transformers.
 
Thirteen prime said:
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Tiering System Revisions: Tier 0

Hi all. So, a bit ago, I made this thread. It got accepted, and the result of it was the discarding of the previous purely mathematical basis for tiers Low 1-A and above. These tiers, then, were changed to the following: Here, you can see a fairly clear progression on how the Tiering System...
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The new tiering system in Vsb can greatly increase the level of transformers.
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they can only deny the transformersweep for so long :mjgrin
 
OtherGalaxy said:
Yeah I think the idea of Unicron as "Chaos" or "Evil" is sort of a widescale misunderstanding. Forest Lee's arc which you posted above makes it clear that ideas like death, entropy, etc. come from Unicron, but Unicron is still explicit that they are poor representations of him. He doesn't seem definable in a conventional sense, especially factoring in the abstract nature of the Tree of Life which, again, would only be attributed to half of him at best. The fact that he ate the rest of his species prior to Primus' birth also showcases he has no issue dealing with similarly abstract beings.

Also want to note that Alginment, Furman specifically calls the gods (and in the TF Guide, says this realm Liege Maximo was ascending to is the realm of the gods) "not real", and that "unreality" would pour into the universe and destroy it during the Alignment. Furman used the term Unspace in the old Marvel run, so I feel that if this was meant to be just more Unspace shenanigans he would have said that in the story.
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Also if i may interject, i feel like this is something important to note
because at least as it appears to me, being the embodiment of evil and entropy vs the idea of evil and entropy being a pale, corporeal imitation of your will is kind of a big jump
unicron being just the god of evil vs a being beyond evil itself, to the point ot potentially being its SOURCE
at least to me, the latter is on a whole other level to the former
 
grillmaster said:
Also if i may interject, i feel like this is something important to note
because at least as it appears to me, being the embodiment of evil and entropy vs the idea of evil and entropy being a pale, corporeal imitation of your will is kind of a big jump
unicron being just the god of evil vs a being beyond evil itself, to the point ot potentially being its SOURCE
at least to me, the latter is on a whole other level to the former
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I have already given my answer about this and for me, evil, like all of the above concepts, is simply an aspect and expansion of Unicron itself, so yes, I think it is beyond the phenomena of good and evil.
 
OtherGalaxy said:
hell if I know

hypothetically if we take all statements at face value (so I am not saying to do this necessarily)
you have "countless" dimensions, which should each contain universes that each have an "uncountable infinity" of branching universes, then you have other multiverses like the Shattered Glass one that should follow the same rule, the Vok stating Unicron's agents were a virus on the omniverse, which by Vector Prime's own word contains "uncountable infinities (plural)" beyond the main multiverse, and THEN you have same story as the previous, the Vok stating (weakened robot form) Unicron would destroy every plane of existence and reality eventually and THEEEEN you have that this is literally a sealed version of himself, and the real one still beat down Primus...a Primus who is technically stronger than he is now...who the Tree of Life is still a part of (though I'm more than willing to meet in the middle and say somehow the Tree is reflective of True Primus or something)

it's just a really ridiculous scaling chain that was 100% unintentional by any author barring maybe Bob Skir but basically the Unicron who appears in like 3 panels in the 80s chapter "The Void" is cracked as fuck

Now with more scrutiny applied, there's not much way to determine if there really are 'countless' higher dimensions, especially given how often they are used to mean universe. I will say I'm fairly sure there's more than 17 higher dimensions though, given Hirofumi Ichikawa called the Alternity reaching 10 and 11 dimensions "only a few steps up" which implies there's much higher to ascend to. The Tree doesn't have anything to do with higher dimensions or reality regardless, and you have Unspace with that weird "ordered mathematics are nonsense" line.

The real answer is I have no idea. Transformers scaling is not very direct, all of the stuff mentioned above spans material from different writers, languages, era, medias etc. TF is just different than Marvel or DC because it doesn't have these massive restructurings, so the same information from 40 30 20 years ago just...stays canon and makes it all more complicated. Even the Shroud which was supposed to streamline it all did the exact opposite because everyone just went about their business writing other multiverse stories after.
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I think this makes sense if we also take Jim Sorenson’s statement that this multiverse has no limit on the number of spatial dimensions, then this is very strong in my opinion, you can also take the statement about worlds within worlds (something like recursions) and state that that the universe of all dimensional levels is only partly inserted into a more multi-level structure (this is brane cosmology).
 
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