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TYPE-Moon/Nasuverse Feats/General Thread - People Die If They Are Killed Edition

Alright, I played dead long enough...

I've taken a break from the thread in terms of the Archives because I really needed to clear my head and end up getting into my groove again. That and I wanted to get some extra things from my life out of the way before I go back into it in earnest.
Kinda ironic I figured out I skipped Dioscuri and made Musashi's page early so there's that but we do it live here.

I also had the Tsukihime Remake since a few days from the start of the month so that's also there.
Around the 21st, that's when I'll get back into the Archives in actual earnest and then finish up LB6 before LB7 comes out. During which I'll also go through the Tsukihime Remake and while I doubt much will change, I'll keep up people on the English Localization. I have it on the Switch so my life will be alot easier having it on that system so...
 
Fate zero is treated as different dimension than prequel of FSN.


 
Fate zero is treated as different dimension than prequel of FSN.



That was well known for the longest time(Since the LN of the first Fate/Zero came out).
It's only that way because Urobuchi didn't even care about reading F/SN, Garden of Avalon or even understand Saber's character in the slightest.
 


New info on Fate/Extra Record at long last... will be revealed on August 4th...
:jordangif

I get that this is them playing it REAL slow but holy shit, unless they are adding English Dubs or some real major shit, please fucking STOP with these teasings.
We do get them acknowledging both Vlad III Lancer(or Berserker in this case... goddamn you FGO) and Berserker Arcueid so that feels a bit weird considering it won't be packaged with CCC and Arcueid herself is only in just Extra and Vlad III is in CCC.
 
Welp, that turned out to be nothing(I really hoped it would but it didn't) so instead, I'll just give a primer of Summer 7's story:

Ibuki Douji is bullshit Part 3: No One Can Ever Pretend Chaldea Servants Are Gimped Anymore.
Girl casually slaps away Lancer Raikou's NP(Which is a Vajra), her Fish is on the level of Heroic Spirits and she can create dozens of them, when you finally confront her, she's basically as strong as she is in Heian Kyo and you don't even defeat her, you just talk her down. She can even buff you from a good distance away.

Skadi herself is pretty ridiculous as she basically on fumes(thanks to Douman) to the point the characters was shocked she was so weak yet still was able to create manga right down to knowing how to make one through Runes.

Lady Avalon basically turned the New 3 Valkyries into Spiritron Dresses for the Older Valkyries and would have done more if she wasn't literally vanishing(by having them be just like how the Valkyries are in Chaldea).

Even Yan Qing gets something by hitting someone so hard(Trying to hit Ibuki after she outed herself), Gareth stated she would be dead without her armor if she was on the other end.
 
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Oh my god, I was looking for this forever, holy shit.
Randomly found it from someone bringing this in from Reddit, saved the image too as a backup.
I had to bring this up because people tended to not understand at all that Time Dilation was in massive effect for SE.RA.PH. for shit that happened there.
 

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In 6 goddamned days...
I knew it was when we was getting the F/SN set but this is BS lol. I gotta wait till September to own it. I can use that time to go finish Tsukihime Remake then.

EDIT: And Hollow Atraxia Remaster is literally in development just a few minutes ago confirmed. As I fucking called it would be.
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Koyanskaya's is explicitly on the same scale as the Planet's textures, which is what Arcuied actually stores. It's the reason why she has to be sent off planet.
Her reality marble was covering only a portion of the bleached Earth, this is made clear in the event itself. The reason she needed to be sent off was because it would mess with the restoration of the Human Order if her reality marble was kept there,. This doesn't necessitate her reality marble having the same scope as the planet's though. It just needs to be large enough.
The largest currently shown Reality Marble is Goetia's, which can be estimated as being the size of a galaxy since it was likened to a cell relative to the universe.

No, Arcuied explicitly can't become an Ultimate One until she settles things with Altourge.
The quote explicitly states she can't be 'referred as', it's a title. Arcueid won't be getting any power up if Altrouge isn't there since her ability to become stronger than her foes is very explicitly stated to be a limter, not an enabler. This is made clearer in FGO where Arcueid comments on her newly acquired ability to experience growth, something she lacks in her normal state.

That's not Event Storage being shown in that image, and it just says that it should be causing Inflation which is the release of energy, not a collapse. Event Storage is explicitly a gravitational singularity.

I didn't mention Event Storage. Event Storage is just an application of Marble Phantasm. Basically it's a different application of Arcueid's Principle.
It's the same thing really. Tiamat also undergoes inflation. It's an out of control state that occurs when there is too much energy in a single place, and the vessel cannot keep it contained without reverting to a stronger form (Tiamat) or releasing the surplus energy (ORT's Galactica SuperCell). Arc can outright ignore Inflation as long as she has her body due to her Principle of Focality.

It's not the full extent of her capacity, its the smallest she could make it. And it's stated to be equally valid to Humanity's textures to the point it can fully create its own world in Tunguska.
I never said it wasn't of equally validity. The fact it would interfere with the restoration of the Human Order is proof it's equal. Problem is you're conflating humanity's texture with the planet's. The texture of the Human Order only reaches as far as Voyager is currently located. The texture of the planet, also referred to as 'the Canopy covering the Void/Cosmos' extends far beyond human observation. It doesn't even begin to compare to the Human Order texture in terms of scope.
You can say Koyan's RM can reach the same scope as the Human Order texture/solar system, but if you want to claim it can reach the same scope as the planet's texture (which is far greater than the Human Order) I'm going to need some more solid evidence.

They have the capacity to completely replace the Planet's textures, that's their fundamental role. The Tree's create the Lostbelts inside of them and then nail them to the Planet's surface like Rhon does. The winning Tree becomes the basis for the Texture replacing the Human Order that was stripped away by the Alien God.
Well that's a problem because neither the incineration nor the Bleaching were able to touch the planet's texture, which is the Inner Sea of the planet and is below the Human Order texture. That's the actual planet's texture or Reality Marble as stated in LB7. The Human Order is far smaller in scope.

Except her Independent Manifestation says that's she specifically coming from the Inner Sea and manifesting as a Servant. It's a choice on her part that she could also just decide to stop doing.
No, it says she can teleport at her target. But how does this change the fact she is limited to a weaker Saint Graph vessel? This is not something she stops doing even if she could since she flat out says her Saint Graph vessel is weak when she is defeated.
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Being an incarnated Elemental, she is able to materialise at her target after a one way trip from the Inner Sea of the Planet. When returning to it, her body will be dispersed.
 
Her reality marble was covering only a portion of the bleached Earth, this is made clear in the event itself. The reason she needed to be sent off was because it would mess with the restoration of the Human Order if her reality marble was kept there,. This doesn't necessitate her reality marble having the same scope as the planet's though. It just needs to be large enough.
The largest currently shown Reality Marble is Goetia's, which can be estimated as being the size of a galaxy since it was likened to a cell relative to the universe.

That wasn't her Reality Marble, it was her actual Saimt Graph. She kept the Reality Marble inside herself and then expanded her body. And again, this was as small as she could make it because she was focused on recovery and growth.

The quote explicitly states she can't be 'referred as', it's a title. Arcueid won't be getting any power up if Altrouge isn't there since her ability to become stronger than her foes is very explicitly stated to be a limter, not an enabler. This is made clearer in FGO where Arcueid comments on her newly acquired ability to experience growth, something she lacks in her normal state.

No, it says she can't become it. Ultimate One is an actual state of being, and two can't exist at the same time.

I didn't mention Event Storage. Event Storage is just an application of Marble Phantasm. Basically it's a different application of Arcueid's Principle.

You were talking about her black hole in comparison to U-Olga's, and Arc' black hole is her Event Storage. You were arguing it's different because it "didn't collapse" only to show something else entirely while Event Storage is explicitly a gravity singularity.

It's the same thing really. Tiamat also undergoes inflation. It's an out of control state that occurs when there is too much energy in a single place, and the vessel cannot keep it contained without reverting to a stronger form (Tiamat) or releasing the surplus energy (ORT's Galactica SuperCell). Arc can outright ignore Inflation as long as she has her body due to her Principle of Focality.

No? Tiamat doesnt go through Inflation, she deliberately changes her body to the Jurassic one to get stronger.

And this still has nothing to do with her black hole which is what we were discussing.

I never said it wasn't of equally validity. The fact it would interfere with the restoration of the Human Order is proof it's equal. Problem is you're conflating humanity's texture with the planet's. The texture of the Human Order only reaches as far as Voyager is currently located. The texture of the planet, also referred to as 'the Canopy covering the Void/Cosmos' extends far beyond human observation. It doesn't even begin to compare to the Human Order texture in terms of scope.

Yeah that's not a thing. The Alien God explicitly removed all of the worlds textures in order to replace them. The Avalon Lostbelt contained its own inner sea of the planet.

For fucks sake, a fake texture created by a half-assed Beast (Kama) was explicitly of the same scale as the observable universe.

You can say Koyan's RM can reach the same scope as the Human Order texture/solar system, but if you want to claim it can reach the same scope as the planet's texture (which is far greater than the Human Order) I'm going to need some more solid evidence.

This whole "greater than the Human Order" thing is still not a thing, by the way. And again Taigong compares it directly to the Planet itself.

Well that's a problem because neither the incineration nor the Bleaching were able to touch the planet's texture, which is the Inner Sea of the planet and is below the Human Order texture. That's the actual planet's texture or Reality Marble as stated in LB7. The Human Order is far smaller in scope.

Bruh. One of the Lostbelts literally has its own Inner Sea. Same for LB 7, which iirc also has multiple layered Textures aside from that.

No, it says she can teleport at her target. But how does this change the fact she is limited to a weaker Saint Graph vessel? This is not something she stops doing even if she could since she flat out says her Saint Graph vessel is weak when she is defeated.

She deliberately manifested as a Servant, there's literally nothing stopping her from just dropping in herself.
 
To put this out there, I think you are ultimately a good guy and pretty knowledgeable isn't as bad as the usual suspects... but you are wrong about this lol.

Her reality marble was covering only a portion of the bleached Earth, this is made clear in the event itself. The reason she needed to be sent off was because it would mess with the restoration of the Human Order if her reality marble was kept there,. This doesn't necessitate her reality marble having the same scope as the planet's though. It just needs to be large enough.
The largest currently shown Reality Marble is Goetia's, which can be estimated as being the size of a galaxy since it was likened to a cell relative to the universe.

None of that takes away from his point in that her Reality Marble is basically seen on the same scale as Earth's and while Taigong did shrink it down to Cosmic Egg status, that's the ultimate theory of how Reality Marbles work to begin with so it doesn't back what you stated up.

I didn't mention Event Storage. Event Storage is just an application of Marble Phantasm. Basically it's a different application of Arcueid's Principle.
It's the same thing really. Tiamat also undergoes inflation. It's an out of control state that occurs when there is too much energy in a single place, and the vessel cannot keep it contained without reverting to a stronger form (Tiamat) or releasing the surplus energy (ORT's Galactica SuperCell). Arc can outright ignore Inflation as long as she has her body due to her Principle of Focality.

Because Nasu outright stated U-Olga's Black Holes are similar enough to Event Storage and it did nothing to ORT, why would ORT have issues with Event Storage when it has no issue with Event Storage. Also, Arcueid can ignore inflation... but so can ORT as that only happens with Lostbelt ORT's Servant form trying to contain it's insanely vast power and failing miserably.

I never said it wasn't of equally validity. The fact it would interfere with the restoration of the Human Order is proof it's equal. Problem is you're conflating humanity's texture with the planet's. The texture of the Human Order only reaches as far as Voyager is currently located. The texture of the planet, also referred to as 'the Canopy covering the Void/Cosmos' extends far beyond human observation. It doesn't even begin to compare to the Human Order texture in terms of scope.
You can say Koyan's RM can reach the same scope as the Human Order texture/solar system, but if you want to claim it can reach the same scope as the planet's texture (which is far greater than the Human Order) I'm going to need some more solid evidence.

The Human Texture and the Planet's Texture are not all that different unless you mean the Reverse Side but that's not really any stronger or better than the Human Texture.
I think you may mean the Planet's consciousness but again, that can be applied for any other Planet/Celestial Object so why would ORT be any different here? Hell, ORT is even further out than any other TYPE in the Solar System, why would it be more limited than Arcuied/Archetype: EARTH?
 
I want to reiterate that not only is ORT explicitly above someone who successfully pulled off the theoretical end goal of Event Storage by just yoinking the entire planets texture into itself before making a bunch of replacements (again as a distraction) but also actually got shot with the literal inner sea of the planet via Excalibur Raybarrel and went "lol lmao"
 
Also just because I feel like getting deep in the weeds here, Arc's whole thing is that she's a planet. But by the time LB 7 rolls around, U-Olga is explicitly beyond the Planet-class designation, having reached the Stellar-Class.

She then gets fucking bullied by Kuku and ORT. :skully
 
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