Sparkles
Exceptional
Too easy and like all this was done as a framejob.
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Sparkles
Exceptional
i've never really played with u as scum, and know you don't as town hence the question. it was more like well i definetely know him as one to not be trolly as town.
Dr_Professor83
Greatest Loser
Schizo read but I could see Posyer being more aware of Alexis’s posts if they were scum mates lol
Otherwise I’d not really expect him to be keeping up someone like Alexis enough to shoot this off the hip nor look at Alexis’s posts to make his comeback
The “two people” Alexis asked to claim were RDK so alternatively it could have caught his eye if RDK were his teammate lol
Sparkles
Exceptional
fun facts Ekko was suspicious of Alexis and was playing claim or vig with him at one point.
Dr_Professor83
Greatest Loser
Poyser did push me as his only push until I admitted I felt depressed and then abandoned it
Claims
- Sparkles:
- Claimed they can't be culted or join any chats.
- Claimed they can't be redirected.
- RDK:
- Claimed to be a Miller.
- Yoho:
- Claimed to have a 2x (double) vote.
- Cataclysm:
- Claimed they will scan as guilty to investigations, even though they are not scum (Miller).
- Poyser
- Claimed to be Vol'jin.
- Claimed abilities: Immune to redirects, x-shot hex (target someone, 50% chance to randomly target their actions), x-shot refiller.
- Flower:
- Claimed they can't be added to any chats.
I'm not seeing the relevance of this part.
So, the problem here is that you've played enough heavy role madness games with me to know a thing or two about my approach to scum in them. And one of the key tenets is that bussing is almost never worth it. My understanding is that this game isn't very heavy on the role madness Fuji scale, but it's enough to have lynch stops etc. The fact that you apparently haven't given this due consideration is one issue I have with this so-called tinfoil.
The next is that your analysis is lazy. You haven't actually made an argument for it, you've just said it could happen, and that you can't look for a way to say it can't. Well, you can't prove a negative for one, and starting from the results and working backwards is not a good process. For two, you haven't actually read the points of escalation.
I started the game saying I wasn't really enthused by Poyser, but sat back and watched it develop. Then he started to come at me for my handling of your slot, and my response, very clearly, triggered him. On a macro sense, and I expect you to be capable of seeing this too which is why I think your argument is problematic, you can see that Poyser is losing ground on what he can push, is getting frustrated about that, and realises that he needs to make a swing for the fences otherwise he isn't going to get out of the day.
So he latches onto me, argues it's bad faith from me, and that I'm scum. I correctly call out that his suspicion doesn't have enough meat to it to justify his vote - this is not how you would want to distance because the goal of this ultimately would be to get Poyser looking better for going after me. Me completely shitting on his push, in that fashion, not only undermines that effort, it puts us perpetually at odds for the rest of the time that we're both in the game.
In response to his emotions, he was very clearly frustrated at Ultra and myself in a way that should be clearing. Like read his responses towards me, he's very clearly seething. He isn't even trying to watch his show there because he's seeing red. I think, if you're making a genuine effort here, that you should be able to see this too. That your takeaway is "nothing about this can't be distancing" then I'm pretty happy to just thunder dome with you after Poyser's flip, because I don't believe your town game is so lacking in substance and reason.
But your question was not framed as one of being unsure about what I do. It was to imply, without outright saying, that me trolling was something I would only do as scum. You've never seen me play a single game that fits the format this one was in, so I have no idea why you woukd make this determination if you're not working backwards from a position.
Nope, I'm not going to let this one slide past. Too easy in the sense of that there is no consideration for distancing attempts. I know Poyser to be a scum player that likes to set his team up from his flip, obviously his efforts will be somewhat hampered in this but that doesn't mean it's an easy game after he dies. My post is not in support of him being framed and I am not a fan of you using it that way.
Sparkles
Exceptional
I'm just saying i've never seen you do it as town.
This is actually the strongest reason I have to maintain a town read on your slot. Because it would support the mindset of growing frustration at his pushes falling off - yours due to emotional manipulation, and well actually, it seemed to come in direct response to the second Miller claim.
RDK stocks falling.
And your position was essentially "Ratchet never trolls as town, so..."
I'm saying that you were trying to lead Prof to a specific conclusion there off the back of behaviour that you have no idea if it's alignment indicative for me or not. The framing is what matters which is what I'm outling as the issue here.
Vote lynch RDK.
Sparkles
Exceptional
I mean ok not sure what u want me to say here then.
One caveat here is that I'm not sure if Poyser is really "frustrated" by having to do a 180 on his reads, I think he actually likes playing into it to demonstrate his progression. With X for example, didn't really get the feeling he was too attached to that push. If Prof is his mate could see him playing into this angle.
Sparkles
Exceptional
So maybe he's scum? You act like i'm as good at this game as you lol.
Sparkles
Exceptional
I have no idea what hunting via abduction even means lol.
True, but I have further considerations that work against Prof being partnered with him. Namely, for them to be scum together, I don't really see Prof introducing the emotional angle like he did, and also I do think Poyser's rea rion to Orof doing that is to kind of throw his hands up in frustration to being stonewalled for an OGI reason.
For the record I'm starting to think Prof can be some kind of Indie, or otherwise not town that isn't aligned with Poyser. Would explain why I have issues with his posts while having what I feel is enough from the thread to say he isn't scum with him.