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Ratchet · Jan 27, 2025

Flower said:
So, I don’t believe you actually think this.

Not an argument.

Flower said:
My issue was with your overreaction towards Prof. Prof‘s post just looked like a standard Ratchet paranoia post. You also mention here that it’s something he would do as Town. Mind you, at the time I made my post wrt you overreacting I wasn’t even fully caught up yet. I have done no deep dives into Prof‘s ISO either. All I saw was a post he makes as Town and you voting him over it.

I've already offered a explanation for this, and you're essentially arguing from ignorance too.

Flower said:
Second your dome suggestion towards him looks more like self pres than you actually believing this. It‘s out of character as well. If you’re Town your job is to be correct on reads and you are also a very patient person, usually. I don’t think why your first thought would be a thunderdome like this. Domes rarely help Town as there is always a chance you chain mislynches. Frankly that’s something I would do and how I would react. But I haven’t seen you do that as Town ever. As scum yes.

I haven't even remotely tried to follow up with any sort of thunder dome. The purpose was pressure. So I'm going to ask that you make arguments based on what I've actually done, not what you say I'm trying to do.

Flower said:
Tldr your push on him was way out of character and that you don’t understand where I came from with this and your entire posts since then have been more of an attempt to discredit me than anything I just don’t see you as Town here. Also the Watson thing. Her play is scummy as hell. And how her Duel works fits both scum as well Cult more than it does Town. We‘re also looking for 2 hostile factions. She can be part of the faction that Poyser is not in without much difficulty. Yet I‘m treated like I‘m stupid for even suggesting that.

I've elaborated on my position, on both counts, enough for my satisfaction that it should be understood. Me not agreeing with you is not me treating you like you're stupid, but I think you already knew that too. If you want my take? I think you're projecting based on your own treatment of other players this game that I've called you out for.

Ratchet · Jan 27, 2025

Sharter Holmes said:
Explain to me this progression please

You had him as town and I couldn't really understand what you found scummy about him

I don't want to keep repeating myself. I've outlined what I found scummy/contentionable with Prof several times over. I'm going to ask that you ISO me instead.

Lord Melkor · Jan 27, 2025

.guillo said:
Why is Ultra getting piled up?

He is pushed by Poyser and RDK. Not sure why RDK would be open scumming though

Grammaton · Jan 27, 2025

I dont have an explanation for RDK, but i know he doesnt throw as scum, accusing him of that is no bueno

Lord Melkor · Jan 27, 2025

Luka said:
yeah but cataclysm is new and im using that as a shield

why arent we just voting melkor today does anyone tr the guy

I am your biggest scum read?

Sharter Holmes · Jan 27, 2025

Ratchet said:
Okay well you can argue that bussing doesn't mean bussing if you want, but the goal and MO is to keep my team alive. Poyser, POYSER, was not doomed with 6 votes 12 or so hours into Day 1. That's a ridiculous argument that cannot be a real thought. It just can't be. The goal behind him going at me would be to make him look better, not for me to rug pull him and make him look worse.

In fact if you genuinely believe this then I'm going to insist that we thunder dome as soon as Watson gets her duel in because I will never ever read this as anything other than bad faith BS. Think I've read enough.

Vote: Dr_Professor83

I can't say with complete confidence that you're not town but I can say that I will never ever read this as town reasoning and my patience with your slot has worn out.

Found it.

Flower · Jan 27, 2025

Lethal said:
Is flower town?

Also @MangoSenpai help me know what’s happening. Repping is hard

Yeah I am. Also Mango seems to not be caught up himself lol.

Sharter Holmes · Jan 27, 2025

Vote Watson to win duel

Lord Melkor · Jan 27, 2025

Luka said:
Ratchet
Cataclysm
Flower
Ultra
Sparkles

Yoho
Pot Goblin
The X
Guillo
Pqwerty

Magic
Dr. Watson
Gad
Chuk
Alexis
GoddessBlade
Ichigo

Mango
Grammaton
Dr. Professor

Lord Melkor
RDK
Poyser

Huge chunk of nulls but who cares

Why do you scum read Grammaton?

Flower · Jan 27, 2025

Flower said:
Watson was literally by herself when she used it. She claimed it at like 5:30am when Poyser was asleep. So any notion that he would have stopped her can just be dismissed.

Flower said:
It‘s not hard to imagine she just entered the thread, felt like she had to claim smth to get Town read and then just followed the thread on how to use it. This is how she operates regardless of alignment. She hasn’t mentioned and discussed the downsides of the duel at all.

Flower said:
Or she‘s simply the Cult Leader and it‘s a way to preserve her abilities in case she‘s the one dueled out. Zero chance you aren’t at least considering that.

Ratchet said:
Why would the cult leader have a duel that doesn't harm anti town? It's away from the point anyway, because we're talking about her being scum with Poyser. You're changing the sentiment, presumably because to you, conceding anything or admitting that your point is flawed is akin to an ego death.

Flower said:
I have literally said before that it makes sense as ANY Anti Town to have that.

It makes sense as a bus and makes sense to do as Cult. It doesn’t make much sense as Town. But you do you. Should just get nuked for this level of gaslighting.

Flower said:
And why is Town punished for having a correct target? Oh my god, stop acting like it‘s dumb to assume that. It would be announced to tell Town that in case the CL gets out or smth the Culting would still be in the game.

Read my posts before you spout shit.

This is the interaction in question.

You threw stuff like ego death at me when I had a valid fucking point.

So I‘m not having that I‘m projecting stuff when you yourself started it by attacking my personality instead of disproving my point with logic. There simply isn’t any, neither in her claim nor play, that points to Watson being Town. Literally all you can argue is that maybe she‘s not aligned with Poyser. But that doesn’t matter when we‘re looking for at least 2 scum factions.

This is my last point regarding that. I won‘t interact with you again today.

Flower · Jan 27, 2025

Don’t even care if I‘m lynched at this point. This is just terrible to deal with.

Sharter Holmes · Jan 27, 2025

Flower said:
He was pushed a lot

Can't this mean that he was vigged?

Don't see how this particular point proves your conviction

Sharter Holmes · Jan 27, 2025

Flower said:
1) There was only 1 kill.
2) He was pushed a lot.
3) No janitor.

It‘s clear somebody was saved by the number of kills.

One more stupid comment like this and I treat it as a scum claim.

See you in 3h or so.

Nvm, I mistook your and Ratchet's posts

But the same question applies, why so sure?

Flower · Jan 27, 2025

Sharter Holmes said:
Nvm, I mistook your and Ratchet's posts

But the same question applies, why so sure?

This is SRM and there was only one kill previous night bro. That usually doesn’t happen unless there was a save somewhere.

Sharter Holmes · Jan 27, 2025

Flower said:
This is SRM and there was only one kill previous night bro. That usually doesn’t happen unless there was a save somewhere.

Sure, but Ratchet's point was why Ekko couldn't have been scum kill. Why couldn't the vig be the blocked kill?

Unless I'm missing something here?

Ratchet · Jan 27, 2025

Sharter Holmes said:
Found it.

This was the original post that you quoted though.

Flower · Jan 27, 2025

Flower said:
Uh, why would Town have an ability that preserves scum abilities?

Ultra said:
""Balancing"" by host is my expectation

Flower said:
Another bullshit take from you.

Ultra said:
You're just too low IQ and or compromised to get it

Ultra said:
Yeah it benefits scum, exactly why Fuji would give it to town because he hates town being able to kill peoplem

Flower said:
It‘s clearly a scum variant of a Duel, but ofc that’s not a valid take because my opinion doesn’t matter here.

Ultra said:
You're right

It doesn't matter

Calls me low IQ (aka stupid)

But clearly I‘m the one who is projecting. Clearly.

This is just a way to attack my intelligence and make my points sound dumb instead of disproving them with logic…because they can’t logically be disproven.

It is a scum ability. If Watson by some miracle is Town it would be Town having a scum ability. But again, no reason to assume she is at all.

Sharter Holmes · Jan 27, 2025

Cataclysm said:
Vote Watson to win duel.

It's almost like this guy just comes in to vote on positionally safe slots and yeet

Sharter Holmes · Jan 27, 2025

Ratchet said:
This was the original post that you quoted though.

Oh fuck, I misquoted lmfao

No, but I did see the post where you said something along the lines of I was reading him town until a certain post and went back to it

Ratchet · Jan 27, 2025

Flower said:
This is the interaction in question.

You threw stuff like ego death at me when I had a valid fucking point.

So I‘m not having that I‘m projecting stuff when you yourself started it by attacking my personality instead of disproving my point with logic. There simply isn’t any, neither in her claim nor play, that points to Watson being Town. Literally all you can argue is that maybe she‘s not aligned with Poyser. But that doesn’t matter when we‘re looking for at least 2 scum factions.

This is my last point regarding that. I won‘t interact with you again today.

I countered your point in that very post lol. The original premise was that Watson was scum that duelled scum Poyser to save his abilities. Then when I pointed out that it didn't really line up, you switched track to arguing that Watson was the cult leader, as if that addresses my points on why she's not scum with Poyser. So I ask you, which would cult have this ability that doesn't hurt anti town from a design PoV, that's the part that addresses your point. The rest was to establish that yiu never concede, apologise, or admit any sort of fault with yourself, your reasoning, and everything else in between.

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