yeah i have no idea what the hell he was thinking with Jericho. at least Vivian is supposed to be evil
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What Are Some Of The Most Retarded Characters Or Plots You've Ever Witnessed?
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To get away from Seven Deadly Sins, I'm going to go into one of the easiest ones and more surprised people haven't gone into either of them:
Madara Uchiha.
Madara is the easiest to go to first so I'll start with him. Madara as a concept was fine, the ultimate enemy to face off against the Current Hokage, the epitome of the older generation vs. the new generation further aided by Kabuto amping him up to ludicrous degrees. You had him badmouth the Kage, seeing them as nothing compared to Hashirama, see Tsunade as a miserable descendant and otherwise just screws with them because.
A writer would actually use this to the advantage of the Kage and ultimately have them defeat Madara through sheer ingenuity and Madara slacking too hard on them, Madara can even go out like a bitch or even be graceful like the past Kage was and realize while the newer generation aren't powerhouses, they still have spunk...
But that's NOT what Kishimoto did, Kishimoto instead gained insane writer's block and decided that Madara not only must survive, must win but then become one of the most convoluted villains in Shonen history through absolutely stupid retcons, breaking the entire story in the process and making other characters look pathetic... just so he can have a World where he's not a loser anymore. Yes that's right, Madara's entire goal is that he's a salty fucker that hates the fact he lost against Hashirama and wasn't made Hokage... but we still haven't gotten into:
OBITO. FUCKING. UCHIHA!
When people see Yhwach and see him as a terrible villain, I can agree but I also laugh. When I see a shitty written character, I agree but I also laugh... because NONE OF THEM reaches the absolute awfulness, straight up setting breaking and outright vehement hatred of the created story more than Obito Uchiha aka Tobi.
Absolutely NOTHING about Obito being the Main Villain makes sense as a concept(He literally becomes Odio-tier evil... because Rin died... and no, the story literally tries to pretend this isn't it but the impetus is still Rin's death considering he didn't suffer through fuck of all after that), he literally ruined the entire story with his existence as the villain(It's to the point Kishimoto had to give him a bullshit-tier Zetsu body because even the TIMEFRAME makes no fucking sense whatsoever for him to be a threat to Minato or the higher Ninja Elite) and it follows the same retarded plot beat as Sasuke suddenly going up Sharingan Tiers except on steroids(He suddenly goes from barely having a Sharingan to a Mangekyou Sharingan AND knows how to somehow use it instantly meanwhile Kakashi unlocks it from that eye... and never notices or uses it until the Time Skip...of Shippuden) which would only be repeated with Sarada in Boruto.
Even the way Obito goes out feels like it's desperately a retread of better villains getting redemption but it's so monumentally forced, it just gets ridiculous when Obito, not even a few hours ago rubbed Neji's death in Naruto's face amongst everyone else who died. It was so bad I was hoping beyond hope Kishimoto would have made it just Obito's body being controlled by Indra Uchiha JUST SO it would not ruin a good character who died to make Kakashi change a character. I'm not even getting into him dying and joining Rin in the afterlife as a reward because Kishimoto wants to do absolutely stupid wordplay between "Obito died when Rin did and Tobi was born" and "Tobi died when Naruto redeemed him and Obito is back" nonsense.
Get that bullshit out of here.
I can honestly put ALL of the Uchiha here because to be frank, the Uchiha plotline in Naruto was the worst thing about Naruto next to Kaguya and Naruto himself... but Madara and Obito are the creme of the crop of absolutely godawful characters.
Madara Uchiha.
Madara is the easiest to go to first so I'll start with him. Madara as a concept was fine, the ultimate enemy to face off against the Current Hokage, the epitome of the older generation vs. the new generation further aided by Kabuto amping him up to ludicrous degrees. You had him badmouth the Kage, seeing them as nothing compared to Hashirama, see Tsunade as a miserable descendant and otherwise just screws with them because.
A writer would actually use this to the advantage of the Kage and ultimately have them defeat Madara through sheer ingenuity and Madara slacking too hard on them, Madara can even go out like a bitch or even be graceful like the past Kage was and realize while the newer generation aren't powerhouses, they still have spunk...
But that's NOT what Kishimoto did, Kishimoto instead gained insane writer's block and decided that Madara not only must survive, must win but then become one of the most convoluted villains in Shonen history through absolutely stupid retcons, breaking the entire story in the process and making other characters look pathetic... just so he can have a World where he's not a loser anymore. Yes that's right, Madara's entire goal is that he's a salty fucker that hates the fact he lost against Hashirama and wasn't made Hokage... but we still haven't gotten into:
OBITO. FUCKING. UCHIHA!
When people see Yhwach and see him as a terrible villain, I can agree but I also laugh. When I see a shitty written character, I agree but I also laugh... because NONE OF THEM reaches the absolute awfulness, straight up setting breaking and outright vehement hatred of the created story more than Obito Uchiha aka Tobi.
Absolutely NOTHING about Obito being the Main Villain makes sense as a concept(He literally becomes Odio-tier evil... because Rin died... and no, the story literally tries to pretend this isn't it but the impetus is still Rin's death considering he didn't suffer through fuck of all after that), he literally ruined the entire story with his existence as the villain(It's to the point Kishimoto had to give him a bullshit-tier Zetsu body because even the TIMEFRAME makes no fucking sense whatsoever for him to be a threat to Minato or the higher Ninja Elite) and it follows the same retarded plot beat as Sasuke suddenly going up Sharingan Tiers except on steroids(He suddenly goes from barely having a Sharingan to a Mangekyou Sharingan AND knows how to somehow use it instantly meanwhile Kakashi unlocks it from that eye... and never notices or uses it until the Time Skip...of Shippuden) which would only be repeated with Sarada in Boruto.
Even the way Obito goes out feels like it's desperately a retread of better villains getting redemption but it's so monumentally forced, it just gets ridiculous when Obito, not even a few hours ago rubbed Neji's death in Naruto's face amongst everyone else who died. It was so bad I was hoping beyond hope Kishimoto would have made it just Obito's body being controlled by Indra Uchiha JUST SO it would not ruin a good character who died to make Kakashi change a character. I'm not even getting into him dying and joining Rin in the afterlife as a reward because Kishimoto wants to do absolutely stupid wordplay between "Obito died when Rin did and Tobi was born" and "Tobi died when Naruto redeemed him and Obito is back" nonsense.
Get that bullshit out of here.
I can honestly put ALL of the Uchiha here because to be frank, the Uchiha plotline in Naruto was the worst thing about Naruto next to Kaguya and Naruto himself... but Madara and Obito are the creme of the crop of absolutely godawful characters.
Naruto's entire backstory makes zero sense. Hiruzen allowing Konoha's only Jinchuuriki to be a uneducated dumbass that can't read Kanji, eats rotten food and outright fails to even become a Genin is absurd.
In Obito's defense, it's basically confirmed that Madara somewhat forced him down that path by implanting his own will into him.
Madara "creates" Black Zetsu by implanting his will into a White Zetsu and explains that chakra rods are a physical manifestation of his will.
When Obito goes berserk, chakra rods emerge from his body:
Later in the war arc we get a confirmation that they're Madara's chakra rods and that he can use them to control Obito.
In Obito's defense, it's basically confirmed that Madara somewhat forced him down that path by implanting his own will into him.
Madara "creates" Black Zetsu by implanting his will into a White Zetsu and explains that chakra rods are a physical manifestation of his will.
When Obito goes berserk, chakra rods emerge from his body:
Later in the war arc we get a confirmation that they're Madara's chakra rods and that he can use them to control Obito.
That still doesn't defeat my point about Madara then and even then, how would they know that considering Obito still owned the shit he did? It just shows Kishimoto is completely confused on what he wants from his villains while trying to keep them sympathetic at all costs.
I wasn't trying to defeat any point. Sorry if it sounded that way. Just pointing out that Madara had some level of control over Obito.
Naruto knew that Madara tried and failed to force Obito into using Rinne Tensei, so he's aware of it to at least some degree.
Anyway, it's bed time for me now. Gotta get up for work at 3 am tomorrow.
In Suikoden I, when an event forces Tir to drink drugged tea offered to him by someone who is planning to rob him and his party, despite dropping an obvious red flag that the tea is drugged (Tir’s companions complain it tastes bitter). The game gives you a dialogue option to decline the tea, but this will not progress the game, as the robber will just keep insisting you drink it no matter how many times you pick this option. This event contributes nothing to the story, but at least it does make Tir and his party a bit more wary. Someone else tries this trick again later in the game, Tir and his party don't fall for it.
There've been many but the one that come to midn right now is Reincarnation of petals MC
>Have ability to steal other powers
>Discover everyone is being controlled by some bitch
>Friend of his bro that have a broken ass power comes to him when he is nearly dying saying that he will allow MC to get his power to help defeating the bitch
>MC refuses to get his power to "honor" him or some shit
This motherfucker just refused to take an power that someone willing was going to give him when everything already went to shit and would've been massively usefull for absolutely no reason
And then there is this girl that likes the dude that is dying and she apparently have the power to kill one person at the cost of her life and she uses it on... the dude that is already dying
>Have ability to steal other powers
>Discover everyone is being controlled by some bitch
>Friend of his bro that have a broken ass power comes to him when he is nearly dying saying that he will allow MC to get his power to help defeating the bitch
>MC refuses to get his power to "honor" him or some shit
This motherfucker just refused to take an power that someone willing was going to give him when everything already went to shit and would've been massively usefull for absolutely no reason
And then there is this girl that likes the dude that is dying and she apparently have the power to kill one person at the cost of her life and she uses it on... the dude that is already dying
So Batman being more willing to fucking murder his friends to “stop” villains instead of actually killing his villains?
ha nah, that’s in-character at this point. The logical conclusion of Tower of Babel story 
above reminds me of that one ben 10 arc where Kevin goes nuts to beat Aggregor, and then Ben decides that this means he has to kill Kevin despite the fact that Aggregor in the first place was a million times worse and they didn't kill him
there's probably a lot of examples in Ben 10 because the quality of the show varies wildly but this one stuck out because it was so inconsistent with itself (and also because the arc itself is good)
there's probably a lot of examples in Ben 10 because the quality of the show varies wildly but this one stuck out because it was so inconsistent with itself (and also because the arc itself is good)
So Batman being more willing to fucking murder his friends to “stop” villains instead of actually killing his villains?
ha nah, that’s in-character at this point. The logical conclusion of Tower of Babel story
It's honestly one of the main reasons I hate Western Comics and some Western Animations. They have done so much to pollute what makes someone a hero into basically making them a dumbass who can't kill because "If we do, we will become exactly like him!" when it's literally just corporate reasons why the heroes can't kill villains.
"If Batman killed The Joker every time he met him, we can't profit off of The Joker! You seen how much money people throw at us for him? His Merch? We can't kill him off ever!" It's just so fucking forced when they have to go with the retarded reasoning even when at the point they go too far, the hero is just as responsible for the myriad amount of deaths as the villain is for not killing them.
The ONLY Villain I have actually seen where it makes sense that it hasn't happened yet... is Lex Luthor and that's only due to him gaining the "Corrupt Businessman who has his money in everyone's pockets" trait only very rarely being outed personally for the shit he does. Superman can't kill him without proving Lex right on some level and Superman can't turn him in because even if all of his shit is frozen and he's in a Supermax Prison, he'll get out because he's too smart to be kept there.
Besides, he isn't as retarded as The Joker or Zsazz or most of the other killers and kills openly, he has proxies for that.
Yeah the "never kill the villains" thing only works in certain circumstances, either in shows like Kim Possible or something where the villains aren't all that bad to start with (I mean they're not murdering people left and right like comic villains ) and the main character is a teenager.
OR when the character has religious reasons not to do so, such as Daredevil.
Though with that said, the Knights of the Sword in Dresden Files are way too damn willing to let Denarians go, so long as they drop the coin. I mean I get it, I really do, they're all about forgiveness and atoning for one's crimes and one of their own IS a reformed Denarian so they have reason to push this.
At the same time, when you're admitting that you've fought the same man multiple times as was the case in Death Masks because he keeps getting a different coin and refusing to change, maybe it's time to just put him down. Otherwise you are just as much at fault for everyone he hurts. At least our boy Harry took a baseball bat to him and gave him some broken bones to remember him by.
Though of course he did come back in a later book, thankfully with no Knights there to stop Harry and Mouse from killing him. Not saying that was bad writing, it made enough sense for the Knights, but it was kind of pushing it.
OR when the character has religious reasons not to do so, such as Daredevil.
Though with that said, the Knights of the Sword in Dresden Files are way too damn willing to let Denarians go, so long as they drop the coin. I mean I get it, I really do, they're all about forgiveness and atoning for one's crimes and one of their own IS a reformed Denarian so they have reason to push this.
At the same time, when you're admitting that you've fought the same man multiple times as was the case in Death Masks because he keeps getting a different coin and refusing to change, maybe it's time to just put him down. Otherwise you are just as much at fault for everyone he hurts. At least our boy Harry took a baseball bat to him and gave him some broken bones to remember him by.
Though of course he did come back in a later book, thankfully with no Knights there to stop Harry and Mouse from killing him. Not saying that was bad writing, it made enough sense for the Knights, but it was kind of pushing it.
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vegeta letting imperfect cell to become p cell, mean, he could literally cui him in his super vegeta state, but nah, he wanted cell to reach his full power, cuz of lol saiyan pride, sad, future trunks was telling him to do it, even clashed fists with him in order to knock him some sense, but nah, vegeta wanted to take the 2D L, once again, cuz typical vegeta
overall, many moments from db like that exist, and we all know them, goku is even worse, in the same arc, lmao
vegeta letting imperfect cell to become p cell, mean, he could literally cui him in his super vegeta state, but nah, he wanted cell to reach his full power, cuz of lol saiyan pride, sad, future trunks was telling him to do it, even clashed fists with him in order to knock him some sense, but nah, vegeta wanted to take the 2D L, once again, cuz typical vegeta
overall, many moments from db like that exist, and we all know them, goku is even worse, in the same arc, lmao
My memory's a bit hazy, but I remember hating season 2 of Luke Cage for this reason. On one side they had Mariah Dillard who is a violent scumbag crime-boss actively ruining Harlem, and on the other they have Bushmaster whose only motivation in the show was revenge on Mariah because her family killed his family. It's clear that Bushmaster is the lesser of the two evils as he doesn't have any plans to do damage outside of taking down this villainous woman and only harms those who get in his way of that goal. He even shows himself merciful on a few occasions, yet Luke spends the whole season acting as Mariah's bodyguard and that Bushmaster is the big threat that needs to be eliminated.
After a failed attempt to kill Mariah , she escalates the feud by choosing to violently massacre the rest of Bushmaster's family burning his innocent uncle alive in one of the MCU's darkest scenes and an act so deranged and depraved that her own crew of hardened criminals believe she's gone too far and turn away from her. At this point the show gives every reason to want to see Bushmaster succeed in his mission of killing her, but Luke Cage still acts as her dutiful bodyguard going out of his way to save her from his wrath, and damn near kills Bushmaster himself on Mariah's orders had Misty Knight not been there to talk him out of it. Might be the most I've rooted against the main character in a show.
Even Dr. Gero makes very little sense in his decision making when you stop to think about it.
After years of building defective and rebellious Androids he finally converts himself into an Android... and chooses to make himself by far the weakest model. Scientists typically progress at their craft as they go on, yet Gero peaked at #16 and for some reason kept making progressively weaker models. If he had put #19's AI into a body like #16 or himself into a body like that then the Z-fighters would have been dead and he'd have been free to do whatever he was planning.
When he created Cell he designed him with the purpose to reach his Perfect Form, yet for some reason he decided to put the components necessary to achieve that perfect form inside two sentient rebellious teenagers who's ki cannot be detected. Why force Cell into a cat and mouse game with the two Androids instead of just leaving the necessary components he needs to be absorb in a capsule or something next to his test-tube? Very flawed design choice.
He and 19 were technically more advanced since both possessed the power to absorb Ki through their hands, something no other Android before them possessed.
Presumably, this added feature was complicated and got in the way of making an Android body as strong as the previous ones.
Still a good advantage to have especially when you can raise your power further with it.