If anything the mana density would help him, since it would help his magical energy generation. Also no one actually cited this. No timeframe means no mach 60 as a solid speed, it is blatanlty and explicitly supersonic tho. Literally doesn't exist in the original japanese line. There's not...
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If anything the mana density would help him, since it would help his magical energy generation.
Also no one actually cited this.
There's no point in me bringing this up as it was mentioned in the topic... but hilariously, this actually WAS mentioned(I don't blame people as Babylonia is fucking massive and having to go through all of that is a pain in the ass)
So ultimately, Gilgamesh praised Kingu for being able to fly at 500KMPH... because of the sheer mana concentration from the Age made it stupid hard to even fly at all... this whole time, this shit was used as an anti-feat when it utterly shows how powerful you have to be to even fly on your own in that age, let alone at that level of speed
Gotta update the Speed Arguments again when I get through Olympus.
No timeframe means no mach 60 as a solid speed, it is blatanlty and explicitly supersonic tho.
We can literally use the LN and the Manga for this to prove both of those wrong:
Fate/Strange Fake Volume 2 said:
Gilgamesh’s auto defensors defend Tine from Alcides arrow. By the time the arrow had come within 20 meters of the hotel, the lightning was released from where the defensors floated around at the top of the hotel. By the time the arrow was just short of reaching Tine, the lightning had reached the arrow and disintegrated it.
By the time she sensed the wind being ripped to shreds, it was already too late. A tiny point of death was closing in on the girl, too close for her to react in time. No matter what she tried to do now, there was no way of avoiding the supersonic arrow.
At least, not for her.
“...”
An instant later, when the arrow had come within 20 meters of the hotel, thunder sounded outside the glass. There was a dazzling flash, and countless tiny bolts of lightning streaked through the sky. One of them appeared to strike the arrow, and what should have been a killing blow disintegrated in the air just short of its target. The shockwaves, however, still shattered the glass, and assailed everyone in the room.
…
“What was that lightning...?”
“The very thunderbolts are my Noble Phantasms. It appears they have intercepted some attack,” Gilgamesh replied offhandedly.
“An attack?” Tine could not keep from blurting out.
When she looked out the window, she saw that there were a number of discs floating around the top of the building. The Noble Phantasms continued to make their rounds, clad in miniature lightning, inscribing beautiful geometric designs against the vista.
“Auto Defensors. There was a chance that my friend might jestingly launch a surprise attack. I set them up as a precaution, but...”
Tine literally can sense the wind as she is basically in the Illya situation as she is basically one with the land itself... yet even to her reactions, she couldn't do shit at all once the arrow even became detected to her, not even move a muscle.
Literally doesn't exist in the original japanese line.
Actually,
@Type-Rey stated it actually DOES exist in the original Japanese version...
And it wouldn't matter anyway as the Japanese Editors at Type-Moon very much look over the NA Translation Teams work to approve of it... which means it's as official as it gets.
There's not some magic "travel speed", if every Servant could say accelerate from 0 to supersonic speeds within a distance of 1-5 meters they would absolutely embarrass Melusine's acceleration who needs 50 meters of acceleration to break the sound barrier.
Yes it is? Hell, that is actually stated that this is a very real problem for Servants and why they can't just go run off to a threat, especially if they are trying to fight it:
www.baka-tsuki.org
However, there was no need to feel anxious. It was true that a Servant’s dexterity was far above that of the V-Max in terms of maximum acceleration and maximum speed. However, this iron beast could maintain its speed as long as there was fuel left. If she was expecting a drawn-out pursuit, then the motorcycle would be very advantageous.
And that V-Max's speed? 400KMPH which Artoria, after enhancing it with her Mana Burst, was able to literally transcend the laws of physics and free itself from Air Friction and move way faster than that:
www.baka-tsuki.org
The full-body platinum armor that she wore while fighting— she now intended not to put the armor on her own body, but to fuse it with the body of the V-MAX through intense psychokinesis. The concept was similar to the armor that protected beloved horses on the battlefield. With the sense of unity of riding as the mainstay, this time she must definitely turn this steel beast that could not speak into her own limbs…
Her prana continuously being released, the various important parts of the V-MAX that could ensure maximum speed of movement were completely covered and protected; the flexible and strong armor increased the capability of the motorcycle.
“—This is great!”
Though this usage was unexpected, Saber’s great skill made this difficult task possible. The entire structure of the V-MAX was wrapped in brand-new silver armor, beautiful and majestic to behold. This hard structure of the vehicle was in no way inferior to that monstrous, extraordinarily strong horsepower; this time, the mechanical lion had finally become a real magical beast. The exhaust pipe thundered.
Saber released the Invisible Air like an arrow directly in front of her, completely covering the body of the vehicle. Using the compression of the pneumatic umbrella to decrease air resistance to zero, the V-MAX was finally released from air resistance.
The needle of the speedometer was already damaged and could not be used. Saber’s prana had caused the rushing vehicle to transcend the laws of physics; already the speed was more than 400 kilometers per hour. The pressure released by the magecraft pressed the rear wheel firmly against the cement; even when making turns, Saber did not release the throttle and turned the body of the vehicle round by force.
So yeah, Mesuline would say such a thing because she would have to figure out the best way to conserve mana while moving at those speeds in flight.
You mean the arrow that was stated to be hit by the lightning? The same arrows that were shot down with Mach 1 arrows?
Not that I see the relevance of Alcides with Tristan.
I see he missed the one that moved even faster than the first one and completely bypassed the Lightning Trap...
Alcides fires his second shot. Gilgamesh’s auto defensor lightning acted to intercept the shot, but the arrow slipped through the gaps in the bolts straight for Gilgamesh. The arrows are as fast as the speed of lightning. Gilgamesh materializes his armor and bats the shot aside with his left gauntlet. Gilgamesh’s armor cracks and fragments where impacted.
Tine was wary. Gilgamesh, however, remained expressionless.
“...Are you coming?” He muttered.
But the second shot had already been fired.
The Auto Defensors’ lightning activated to intercept the arrow, but although several bolts struck home, it slipped through the gaps in the bolts to fly straight at Gilgamesh. The speed at which electricity travels through air — that is, the speed of lightning — while slower than light, still should to have been more than sufficient to catch any ordinary arrow. The speed of that arrow, however, was beyond human limitations.
Gilgamesh immediately materialized his armor, and swept the arrow aside with his left gauntlet. It seemed that it could not completely kill the shot’s momentum, however, because a portion of the armor cracked, and fragments of gold showered the floor.
So that's another pointless deal...
My argument never was that supersonic feats don't exist, only that mach 1 and subsonic speed feats also exist.
You don't need to be as fast as a projectile to parry or dodge it BTW, so a bunch of those aren't even supersonic movement feats.
Dude, your entire argument is literally using the low ends as if they somehow matter more than the high ends as evidenced here entirely.
Why should any of that matter in the context of the feat occurring in any fashion?
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